Unbeatens

[PAC-12HoopFan]

@BostonBay needs to get a bigger and better radar me think.

Or, he/she may want to read a few preseason women's college basketball polls before writing something silly and borderline uninformed in this thread. Most of the UConn opinions that BostonBay has posted are defensible and logical. This recent one about Oregon State seemed to be a response to the Beavers being evaluated and ranked close to where UConn is right now.

 

[nwhoopfan]

@BostonBay needs to get a bigger and better radar me think.

Maybe the radar got "jammed."

 

[Plebe]

I must say, I'm a bit disappointed in our caucus of eager Beavers. Failing to pounce with their usual verve on the Skeptics. 3 out of 10.

 

[j66kicker]

I must say, I'm a bit disappointed in our caucus of eager Beavers. Failing to pounce with their usual verve on the Skeptics. 3 out of 10.

Maybe they watch the General WBB board more closely than the UConn side. Or maybe, like @LoTrader, they just recognize trolling and choose not to feed it

 

[WestCoast]

I must say, I'm a bit disappointed in our caucus of eager Beavers. Failing to pounce with their usual verve on the Skeptics. 3 out of 10.

Perhaps simply showing some reluctance to pounce on a pro-UConn supporter on the UConn message board. Not typically a good idea.

 

[reno tony]

I thought OSU was Ohio State.

 

[nwhoopfan]

I thought OSU was Ohio State.

Everybody knows the Buckeyes are tOSU (THE Ohio State University)

But the post being referred to frequently specifically said Oregon St.

 

[reno tony]

Everybody knows the Buckeyes are tOSU (THE Ohio State University)

But the post being referred to frequently specifically said Oregon St.

Lighten up big dog.... just having a little fun.

 

[WestCoast]

I thought OSU was Ohio State.

It would have made more sense if BostonBay had written "tOSU" or "Ohio State".

 

[triaddukefan]

I thought OSU was Ohio State.

Actually I used to always think OSU was Oklahoma State

 

[Dokey]

@willtalk I had no real critical thinking when it came between choosing Massey over RPI other than I'm used to looking at Massey. In my ignorance, I didn't realize it used the last 10 games. So that was my error.


I've updated the table below to have the current Massey SOS and the RPI SoS (from RealTimeRPI) for a comparison. Also, removed Providence and did alphabetical order...Not sure if it's an order I like yet.

School	Wins​	Massey (Previous)​	RPI​
Arizona	8​	208 (199)​	278​
Binghamton	8​	341(342)​	342​
Colorado	7​	200 (191)​	186​
Connecticut	6​	4 (5)​	2​
Florida State	7​	106 (108)​	147​
Kansas	7​	298 (300)​	215​
Kentucky	8​	127 (134)​	146​
Louisville	8​	7 (6)​	13*​
Loyola-Chicago	7​	300 (308)​	247​
North Carolina	6​	199 (213)​	283​
NC State	8​	125 (124)​	235*​
Oregon State	7​	32 (33)​	3​
Stanford	8​	8 (9)​	57​
Tennessee	7​	195 (198)​	345​
TCU	6​	160 (164)​	136​
Texas Tech	6​	321 (332)​	321​
UCLA	7​	108 (106)​	164​

*RPI had these teams with one loss. Not sure why. Also, listed Mississippi State and Indiana as undefeated.

Colorado, for what it’s worth (not much), now 9-0. Imagine how good they would be if the top player in the state didn’t choose Stanford and the top high school,player this year going....?

Last night, Texas A&M did indeed remove TCU from the unbeaten list. Leaves 14 unbeatens.

Tonight, one unbeaten plays: Colorado (8-0) plays Denver.
[/QUOTEColorado wins in big rout to go 9-0.

 

[MilfordHusky]

Oregon State is a talented and well-coached team. They are clearly top-10 and possibly top-5.

 

[trisailin]

Still 14 unbeaten teams. Last night, Colorado was able to hang on winning 96-70.

Tonight Oregon St. risks their unbeaten record taking on Utah St. I anticipate the game to be close through warm-ups!!

 

[meyers7]

How good is Oregon State really? Not on many people's radar before the season. They wont be ranked by end of year, imo.

 

[mbr33ct]

Still 14 unbeaten teams. Last night, Colorado was able to hang on winning 96-70.

Tonight Oregon St. risks their unbeaten record taking on Utah St. I anticipate the game to be close through warm-ups!!

The game itself is on Saturday night...and "risks"? When Oregon St goes up against that powerhouse Mountain West juggernaut Utah State with a lofty 2-6 record coupled with an RPI of 271 and an SOS 206...risk is not the word I would use, more like going to a bake sale.

 

[Dokey]

Still 14 unbeaten teams. Last night, Colorado was able to hang on winning 96-70.

Tonight Oregon St. risks their unbeaten record taking on Utah St. I anticipate the game to be close through warm-ups!!

Yeah, I watched the Colorado “nail biter.” By the end I half expected CU to put in the cheerleaders after clearing the bench.

 

[Alydar]

Could somebody point me to where it definitively says Massey uses the last 10 games? We know they start the season "priming the pump" with some data from last year - but I'm not aware of anything that specifically says "last 10 games".

They don't eliminate the previous year results until a team plays 10 games. After that it uses every current year game. However, it weighs the more recent games more heavily and it gives added weight to games against higher rated teams. There is also what would be best described as a rule of diminishing returns. Beating 4 teams ranked 48-51 (average 50.5) is not rated as high as playing 4 teams ranked 1, 2, 98, 101 (average 50.5)

Instead of asking someone to explain a rather complicated algorithm I suggest interested posters should go to the site and read.

Massey Ratings Description

 

[Alydar]

And for those who can never know enough here is a lot of links to the background of the theory.

Massey Rating Theory

www.masseyratings.com

 

[Plebe]

They don't eliminate the previous year results until a team plays 10 games. After that it uses every current year game. However, it weighs the more recent games more heavily and it gives added weight to games against higher rated teams. There is also what would be best described as a rule of diminishing returns. Beating 4 teams ranked 48-51 (average 50.5) is not rated as high as playing 4 teams ranked 1, 2, 98, 101 (average 50.5)

Instead of asking someone to explain a rather complicated algorithm I suggest interested posters should go to the site and read.

Massey Ratings Description

But where does it say specifically that it's after 10 games that the previous year's results are eliminated?

 

[trisailin]

Instead of asking someone to explain a rather complicated algorithm I suggest interested posters should go to the site and read.

Massey Ratings Description

I DID NOT ask somebody to explain how the math works (I'm an engineer and actually the math is really rather simple - lots of math, but simple math. If you wanted to, you could make a spreadsheet that does the math).

What I did ask, was where it says specifically 10 games. I looked at the links you provided, and either I still missed it, or it doesn't say that at all.

 

[trisailin]

Still 14 unbeaten as of this morning

Today eight of them play:

NC St plays Elon
Kentucky plays Louisville
Texas Tech plays Houston Baptist
Florida St plays St. Johns
North Carolina plays Alabama
Kansas plays St Mary's CA
UCLA plays Pacific
Stanford plays Ohio St.

 

[triaddukefan]

Another unbeaten just went down... Im not gonna say who

 

[WiseOne]

North Carolina and Kentucky went down!

 

[trisailin]

With the losses of North Carolina and Kentucky, there are remaining 12 unbeaten teams.

Team​	Wins​
Arizona​	10​
Binghamton​	9​
Colorad​	9​
Connecticut​	8​
Florida St​	10​
Kansas​	9​
Loyola-Chicago​	8​
NC St​	10​
Oregon St​	9​
Stanford​	9​
Texas Tech​	7​
UCLA​	9​

 

[LETTERL]

NC State is now 10-0 as well.