"UConn Trying to Snatch $10 Million for a Phone Call with Ray Allen"

[BigErnMcCracken]

A. I would go with Storm Front but whatever.

Yeah I mean Deadspin is staffed by a bunch of smug goobers but worst site on the internet is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Yorkeez4]

The KO threads are bizarre. I hope I am getting this straight: KO’s team took Benedict to the woodshed to get the deal he did but Benedict should not invoke the clauses in the contract that KO violated because everyone does it.

So if everyone does it the clause is a foolproof escape clause. That makes me think Benedict took KO’s team to the woodshed.

 

[Yardigan]

The KO threads are bizarre. I hope I am getting this straight: KO’s team took Benedict to the woodshed to get the deal he did but Benedict should not invoke the clauses in the contract that KO violated because everyone does it.

So if everyone does it the clause is a foolproof escape clause. That makes me think Benedict took KO’s team to the woodshed.

You really have to cross-reference all 13 threads on the topic...

 

[jdb50]

When Ollie started to bring in outside friends to coach up the players, let alone have players travel out of state to see said friends and be trained, he was cooking his own goose. The union rep claiming other coaches in the past did not get fired for issues makes this OK, when the contract was written so we did not have those situations again, shows how pathetic the union is. The unions always protect the folks who screw up. People doing their job the right way, working hard and not screwing up just have their dues money stolen.

 

[8893]

The union rep claiming other coaches in the past did not get fired for issues makes this OK, when the contract was written so we did not have those situations again, shows how pathetic the union is.

Well, except that it’s apparently written with almost identical language to that in the contracts for coaches in the past.

 

[huskymedic]

Well, except that it’s apparently written with almost identical language to that in the contracts for coaches in the past.

Yeah, but the school also hadn't been penalized and put on probation by the NCAA in part for "failure to monitor" while having a basketball coach suspended before either...

 

[8893]

Yeah, but the school also hadn't been penalized and put on probation by the NCAA in part for failure to monitor before either...

Yep. Also true. Good arguments on both sides. No doubt the University has the stronger hand, but Ollie is not without legitimate cards to play imo. And the draw might be very interesting.

 

[whaler11]

There can be no rational discussion with you about this issue because your entire perspective is premised upon two suppositions which you have no evidence of, namely: (1) Glenn Miller is lying; and (2) his cooperation with the NCAA was encouraged by UConn as a means of ousting Ollie.

I guess your definition of "fighting a PR battle" is the schools alumni and fan base knowing some of the underlying facts and supporting their decision. A more objective person might view that as evidence that they made the correct choice.

You accuse those who support the school of situational ethics, but are willing to completely disregard or minimize the significance of all allegations of NCAA violations committed by Ollie.

1. Anyone who reads Glen Miller’s testimony and thinks they are reading the truth is an idiot. It’s an absolute absurdity: He contends that a mother of a player told her that Kevin Ollie gave her 30k in cash and she didn’t mention this to him until after he got fired.

That’s a lie so implausible that it should have drawn laughs.

2. Let me get this right. You want to contend that Glen Miller acted against UConn without Jim Calhoun’s blessing. And you want to contend that Jim Calhoun gave that blessing without UConn’s blessing and you want to contend that I’m the one with an unreasonable starting point for a debate?

I completely disregard the violations because they are so minor that anyone who follows college athletics is laughing at the contention they aren’t.

There is a reason why every single national story is written from the same angle - that angle is that the so-called violations are pittance.

You may as well agree with Tennessee about women’s basketball recruits touring ESPN. Or with the NCAA that Geno calling a little league pitcher was a big deal.

The people with whom there can be no rational discussion is anyone who wants to pretend these ‘violations’ are anything. It’s actually hilarious this is the best they could come up with.

The third biggest thing they came up with in 5 years was a phone call. The second biggest was shooting baskets on the way to lunch.

If you actually believe what you’ve posted you should probably pull your head out of the sand. Unless you’d like to quote the posts where you called for Calhoun’s ouster over much more serious violations.

 

[JMick]

1. Anyone who reads Glen Miller’s testimony and thinks they are reading the truth is an idiot. It’s an absolute absurdity: He contends that a mother of a player told her that Kevin Ollie gave her 30k in cash and she didn’t mention this to him until after he got fired.

That’s a lie so implausible that it should have drawn laughs.

2. Let me get this right. You want to contend that Glen Miller acted against UConn without Jim Calhoun’s blessing. And you want to contend that Jim Calhoun gave that blessing without UConn’s blessing and you want to contend that I’m the one with an unreasonable starting point for a debate?

I completely disregard the violations because they are so minor that anyone who follows college athletics is laughing at the contention they aren’t.

There is a reason why every single national story is written from the same angle - that angle is that the so-called violations are pittance.

You may as well agree with Tennessee about women’s basketball recruits touring ESPN. Or with the NCAA that Geno calling a little league pitcher was a big deal.

The people with whom there can be no rational discussion is anyone who wants to pretend these ‘violations’ are anything. It’s actually hilarious this is the best they could come up with.

The third biggest thing they came up with in 5 years was a phone call. The second biggest was shooting baskets on the way to lunch.

If you actually believe what you’ve posted you should probably pull your head out of the sand. Unless you’d like to quote the posts where you called for Calhoun’s ouster over much more serious violations.

do you honestly think that the listed violations are the only things they found?

 

[whaler11]

do you honestly think that the listed violations are the only things they found?

If they have others why aren’t they in the letter?

I think they are idiots but I’m pretty sure if they had something better than phone call they would use it.

Am I overestimating them again?

 

[JMick]

If they have others why aren’t they in the letter?

I think they are idiots but I’m pretty sure if they had something better than phone call they would use it.

Am I overestimating them again?

Unless it's so bad that it would significantly cripple the program. I find it more likely that they're walking a tightrope

I'm not a lawyer but I am a professional boneyard arguer. My guess is that the all expenses paid Atlanta trip is the smoking gun they chose to use. the phone call and the "workout" are being used to show that he was aware rules were being broken and that the trip wasn't an isolated incident. they're just included to show a pattern of non-compliance.

 

[whaler11]

Unless it's so bad that it would significantly cripple the program. I find it more likely that they're walking a tightrope

LOL - so you think they know of worse violations and now they are hiding them?

You know who knows about those violations then? Kevin Ollie.

You really do think they are even more inept than I think they are.

That would be the stupidest game of chicken ever played.

 

[JMick]

LOL - so you think they know of worse violations and now they are hiding them?

You know who knows about those violations then? Kevin Ollie.

You really do think they are even more inept than I think they are.

That would be the stupidest game of chicken ever played.

see my edit. i'm sure there's plenty of mutually assured destruction at play by both parties.

 

[whaler11]

see my edit. i'm sure there's plenty of mutually assured destruction at play by both parties.

If there are worse violations and they don’t self-report them then Benedict may as well resign yesterday. There is no way they are that stupid.

 

[JMick]

If there are worse violations and they don’t self-report them then Benedict may as well resign yesterday. There is no way they are that stupid.

the other possibility is that it's not necessarily a rules violation but personal conduct issues.

 

[Yardigan]

If there are worse violations and they don’t self-report them then Benedict may as well resign yesterday. There is no way they are that stupid.

Never underestimate...I agree with the tightrope reference from earlier poster...need to bring bad enough stuff to light to not pay KO...but still wanna at least have Hurley's squad be 'eligible' for the dance...

 

[jimva]

This is getting so silly.

If you do not believe KO should still be the coach, logically, you have to take UCONN's side on this to be consistent. KO is a smart guy and had good lawyers and signed a contract that put him in this position. He failed miserably on so many fronts, and I do feel bad for him as I think he got in over his head and then didn't know how to find a way out. This happens to good people in all types of industries around the world. But, the world would fall into chaos if we let everyone take do-overs - these are saved for your wife/husband and children under the age of 18.

I think they will settle, but if you think KO should get it all, or most of it, please donate your money. BTW, you don't have to dislike the administration to have this view. One of the biggest problems we have sorting out facts and making rational/logical decisions is that we let our personal biases get in the way.

 

[whaler11]

the other possibility is that it's not necessarily a rules violation but personal conduct issues.

And they are still playing nice - come on. They sent a rat to the NCAA - but are holding off on embarrassing him?

 

[JMick]

And they are still playing nice - come on. They sent a rat to the NCAA - but are holding off on embarrassing him?

I wouldn't be so sure they sent Glen Miller in. That has spite and revenge written all over it.

 

[Walker11]

I have been away and have spent a solid 5 trying to figure this out. So is Miller actually involved somehow or is this some Chief schtick nonsense gone awry?

 

[JMick]

I have been away and have spent a solid 5 trying to figure this out. So is Miller actually involved somehow or is this some Chief schtick nonsense gone awry?

he's on record with NCAA investigators but from what we've seen it's all hearsay. some posters are saying the school and calhoun asked him to talk. others, like me, think it was out of spite.

 

[Yardigan]

I have been away and have spent a solid 5 trying to figure this out. So is Miller actually involved somehow or is this some Chief schtick nonsense gone awry?

You can't make this stuff up...There are 5 different threads that are pre-requisite reading prior to commentary....
Well, I guess some of it could be made up...but that doesn't make it any less interesting.

 

[Yardigan]

he's on record with NCAA investigators but from what we've seen it's all hearsay. some posters are saying the school and calhoun asked him to talk. others, like me, think it was out of spite.

I think...whether he was sent, or regardless of motivation...the fact that he is:
-still working for Calhoun and,
-still seems to be walking around on perfectly good legs

tells a lot...

 

[superjohn]

I have been away and have spent a solid 5 trying to figure this out. So is Miller actually involved somehow or is this some Chief schtick nonsense gone awry?

Chief is Glen Miller.

 

[JMick]

I think...whether he was sent, or regardless of motivation...the fact that he is:
-still working for Calhoun and,
-still seems to be walking around on perfectly good legs

tells a lot...

it says a lot of about KO and Calhoun's relationship. I don't how much it says otherwise.

 

[huskymedic]

Dropped this Courant article into a separate thread: Former UConn Basketball Assistant Makes Serious Accusations Regarding Kevin Ollie In NCAA Investigation Testimony

 

[Walker11]

Forgive me I have only read the article Medic just posted and have been clued in for 30 seconds but holy #$@$ what a piece of Spartacus Miller is.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Chief is Glen Miller.

Nose snort inducer there, but quite frankly Miller was a real wanker in his 2 years as a UConn student.

 

[JMick]

Nose snort inducer there, but quite frankly Miller was a real wanker in his 2 years as a UConn student.

It won't go over well, but a lot of players are just by the fact that they're 18-22 years old. Olander was kind of a prck

 

[champs99and04]

Forgive me I have only read the article Medic just posted and have been clued in for 30 seconds but holy #$@$ what a piece of Spartacus Miller is.

I don't know. For some reason, I come down on his side here. He wrestled with Ollie all season over x's and o's and then got sent packing, despite the fact that it was obvious that he probably would have done a better job coaching that team. Then he gets fired three years removed from a championship - and he was instrumental - in favor of some hot shot recruiter they brought over from a dumpster fire Washington program.

He probably went too far. He could have been the bigger man and lived on the right side of history. But that's easy for me to say because Kevin Ollie didn't fire me.

Herbst and Benedict are the real villains. They've done far more harm to the program than Glen Miller. Glen Miller didn't wake up one day and start spouting off. He put his own ahead of the program and it's fair to resent him for that, but at least he "bled blue" once upon a time. At least he poured his soul into the program. Herbst and Benedict are corporate puppets who care about nothing beyond themselves.