UConn Outbound Transfers for 8/1/23>7/31/24 Cycle

[husky429]

Before we got into all the details, I think the general point I was trying to make is that those things matter to younger people far more than they do for older people.

It makes sense. In a world where you aren't getting a pension and know you're not working at the company for most than 3-5 years (most likely), then your working conditions and relationships with other staff matters.

I work in K-12 education admin and even here principals just don't stay more than 5 years anymore. The principal who leads your HS for 25 years and retires as a hero for the town doesn't happen anymore.

 

[cohenzone]

It makes sense. In a world where you aren't getting a pension and know you're not as working at the company for most than 3-5 years (most likely), then your working conditions and relationships with other staff matters.

I work in K-12 education admin and even here principals just don't stay more than 5 years anymore. The principal who leads your HS for 25 years and retires as a hero for the town doesn't happen anymore.

Interesting. As I mentioned the other day, I volunteer in a school that is prek - 4th grade. In 2 years I haven’t seen a teacher over 35. The principal has been there a few years. 50ish. The relative youth of the teachers jumped out at me. Obvious turnover. And the school has a very good environment.

 

[husky429]

Interesting. As I mentioned the other day, I volunteer in a school that is prek - 4th grade. In 2 years I haven’t seen a teacher over 35. The principal has been there a few years. 50ish. The relative youth of the teachers jumped out at me. Obvious turnover. And the school has a very good environment.

Teachers aren't paid enough for the amount of work they have to do. Particularly at the elementary level.

Many quit or become specialists who work with small groups only. 25+ kids is hard. Add in behavior problems and SRBI, difficult parents, the insane amount planning and testing, differentiating for ELs and SPED students, and people on the admin side asking for more, more and more... it's tough to bear. This isn't even taking into account that teaching reading and math well is HARD on the best of days.

I had a pretty sweet gig teaching and had no intention of going to the admin side. But when someone offers you a 45k pay raise and a job where you can go to the bathroom when you want to, it's hard to say no.

It takes a long, long time to get up to that top step making 95k for teachers. And that's in CT where we're paid well! I make more now than my BIL and SIL from NC combined, and they've been teachers for 25 and 10 years each.

 

[ZooCougar]

Nice Linked In conversation guys.

 

[Bubba1957]

As a mid major you need to embrace the fact that UConn is a stepping stone for kids and coaches to get to a Power Conference School.
UConn needs to market that. Hey come here for a year or two help us win. You will get noticed and have a good opportunity to earn a scholarship and NIL deals at a power conference school.

You’re probably right. Can’t help but think of us as top tier university that competes at the highest levels ( see b-ball, hockey, baseball and just about everything other than football).

Saw a tweet form a UMN player announcing he was stayin at MN and rather than go to a winner he was going to try and build a winner. I wish there was more of that. It remains to be seen if guys who leave will make more NIL and get more playing time once we get the NIL funded.

 

[huskymedic]

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[uconnfan68]

People will leave if they're being treated like crap or have no room for advancement. But it seems weird to ignore the entire purpose of a job is to make money here. It's not like any of your employees would be coming in every day if it was volunteer work.

Money is the entire point of a job; it probably just means you pay people well if they're not leaving for more $$$. I can assure you young people are leaving jobs in droves to find better pay--literally had one leave yesterday for that reason.

He’s not just an employee. He’s part of a football team. You build bonds with your teammates, and hopefully they’re enough to inspire loyalty to them and the team, coaches, and school. Good luck expecting any chemistry on any teams if it’s only about the money.

 

[husky429]

He’s not just an employee. He’s part of a football team. You build bonds with your teammates, and hopefully they’re enough to inspire loyalty to them and the team, coaches, and school. Good luck expecting any chemistry on any teams if it’s only about the money.

I wasn't talking about football. It was an off-topic comment.

 

[UConnDan97]

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This.

Count me in the camp that believes NC State is not an upgrade from UConn really. Do they have a better record? Yes. But being there versus here doesn't help your NFL prospects, and I can make a very good argument that it makes them slightly worse if you're competing for time at a non-elite school...

 

[Scrutineer]

I agree that there are many examples of people from "no-name" schools that surpass people from "elite" schools. But your odds of getting a good start in your career with a Duke/Michigan/NW/Wake/BC degree are higher than UConn, just like UConn is higher than Louisville, Miss State, Houston, WV etc. You can get more NIL money, better football, better degree with most P4 schools. That's why we will have a tough time in this new portal and NIL world. I hate it. Get the bleed-blue kids and let it shake out where it may.

A degree from school X may be a positive or negative when getting your first job. After that you're succeeding or failing based on your performance.

The only caveat is specialty degrees from certain schools may carry with them lifelong connections that might help you leave an unhappy situation anytime in your worklife.

 

[Scrutineer]

That’s just a talking point that people use rather than saying “it’s about the money”. Are there some kids who value something more? Yes sure, but it’s mostly about the money. You’re fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.

This is especially true for those who aren't sure thing NFL players. Most will likely believe it's better to get some money while they can.

 

[Scrutineer]

This.

Count me in the camp that believes NC State is not an upgrade from UConn really. Do they have a better record? Yes. But being there versus here doesn't help your NFL prospects, and I can make a very good argument that it makes them slightly worse if you're competing for time at a non-elite school...

Carson Wentz and Phil Simms, among many others, would agree.

 

[Scrutineer]

Teachers aren't paid enough for the amount of work they have to do. Particularly at the elementary level.

Many quit or become specialists who work with small groups only. 25+ kids is hard. Add in behavior problems and SRBI, difficult parents, the insane amount planning and testing, differentiating for ELs and SPED students, and people on the admin side asking for more, more and more... it's tough to bear. This isn't even taking into account that teaching reading and math well is HARD on the best of days.

I had a pretty sweet gig teaching and had no intention of going to the admin side. But when someone offers you a 45k pay raise and a job where you can go to the bathroom when you want to, it's hard to say no.

It takes a long, long time to get up to that top step making 95k for teachers. And that's in CT where we're paid well! I make more now than my BIL and SIL from NC combined, and they've been teachers for 25 and 10 years each.

He did say things other than money were important:
"a job where you can go to the bathroom when you want to"

 

[gioff2323]

This.

Count me in the camp that believes NC State is not an upgrade from UConn really. Do they have a better record? Yes. But being there versus here doesn't help your NFL prospects, and I can make a very good argument that it makes them slightly worse if you're competing for time at a non-elite school...

You mean to tell us that if u had offers from both NCSt and UConn you’d consider them equal from a fb perspective? There was a time we were even, that time passed a decade ago.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

This.

Count me in the camp that believes NC State is not an upgrade from UConn really. Do they have a better record? Yes. But being there versus here doesn't help your NFL prospects, and I can make a very good argument that it makes them slightly worse if you're competing for time at a non-elite school...

This is a wild take to me. UConn bias aside, NC State with a (hopefully healthy McCall) throwing passes to him is a significant upgrade. This is not even a question worth discussion.

 

[DoctorWho85]

This is a wild take to me. UConn bias aside, NC State with a (hopefully healthy McCall) throwing passes to him is a significant upgrade. This is not even a question worth discussion.

Exactly. NC State is known to produce good to great QBs. Joly was a top 10 TE with a non existent offense the majority of the season. He consistently was open through the season. If he works on his blocked and drops he’s going to be one of the best TE in the country with NC States offense

 

[gioff2323]

They’re P5, we are not. They pull in over $35 million a year. We’re nowhere near. Who cares who the qb and the are.

 

[Nicklo28]

Joly would have been a number one target if he stayed at UConn. Roberson realize that and they would have been a good combo. Let’s see how he is used at NCST.

 

[UConnDan97]

You mean to tell us that if u had offers from both NCSt and UConn you’d consider them equal from a fb perspective? There was a time we were even, that time passed a decade ago.

They aren't currently equal from a football perspective, but that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is: if the choice is being the primary receiver at UConn or the second or third option at NC State, you're better off at UConn because you'll have more chance to shine for a future run at playing on Sundays.

If you're the second or third option at Alabama, it's a different story. But NC State is not the "Alabama-type" move. That's my point. He was slated to get targeted a bunch if he stayed here...

 

[gioff2323]

I get that, but he likely got a $250k raise and he’s not a Sunday player. Take the $$ and run.

 

[UConnJim]

I get that, but he likely got a $250k raise and he’s not a Sunday player. Take the $$ and run.

I doubt he is getting a $250k raise and I don’t think he is getting $250k.

 

[RC111]

Carson Wentz and Phil Simms, among many others, would agree.

Josh Allen

 

[uconnbill]

I get that, but he likely got a $250k raise and he’s not a Sunday player. Take the $$ and run.

I think he is a Sunday player in an H-Back way or a bigger receiver.

 

[Dizzy21]

They aren't currently equal from a football perspective, but that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is: if the choice is being the primary receiver at UConn or the second or third option at NC State, you're better off at UConn because you'll have more chance to shine for a future run at playing on Sundays.

If you're the second or third option at Alabama, it's a different story. But NC State is not the "Alabama-type" move. That's my point. He was slated to get targeted a bunch if he stayed here...

Joly was top dawg and balled out at Iona Prep. He had over 1,000 yards receiving in his senior season, 1,500 totals yards and UConn was his only FBS offer. Every recruiter in college underestimated the kid because of the competition he played against. Do you really think that it would be smart for him to risk that again by being top dawg on a team that plays lesser competition and has lesser competition on the roster, that gets far less exposure in big games where scouts are?

Everything you said is basically a reason why it was the smart decision to move. You have to prove yourself against better competition on your team and against your team to show that you can be an NFL player. If he can't ball out at NC State and shine, then he stood no chance in the NFL anyway and there was no loss, because he was not NFL material. In fact there was a gain in his monetary compensation, so there was a net gain for him if he was not NFL material. If he does ball out and shine there, his chances of being drafted are drastically increased with all the extra exposure and proving of his skills against better competition. Either way, if he is NFL material or if he is not, the only choice would be to move to a better football school with more exposure.

 

[Samoo]

Sort your data to exclude those kids who don’t rely on their parents to fund their excursions and you’ll see the data differently. The ones that don’t care have a safety net that allows them to pretend to care less.

And you have data to sort that supports your position?