UConn and BCU talkin'

[businesslawyer]

Yes, you know with certainty that the lawsuit didn't play a role..... What else do you know?

If the lawsuit really played a role, please explain why BC still voluntarily plays us in Baseball, Soccer, and would gladly play us in hoops if we were willing, and please explain why BC happily supported UConn joining them in Hockey East.

There is no moral explanation whatsoever for being so offended they won't play us in football bu would play us in any other sport where (what a coincience) it is in their interest.

There. I"ve given you logical proof. You got anything other than "prove it?"

 

[Woof 101]

I wish Addazio was our coach. So close to getting him.

This is a good start. BC is our biggest rival, that game would get our fan base fired up.

We have Addazio right were we want him. He is all in on playing UCONN and very proud of being from CT. He can repair a lot of damage and do a lot of good without being our head coach.

 

[upstater]

Yes, you know with certainty that the lawsuit didn't play a role..... What else do you know?

Since the lawsuit was headlined by Pitt, what role did you think it played?

 

[whaler11]

Obviously ... YOU were the guys that scared the BC fans. They quickly were posting what a hostile environment the RENT was. F' em.

My rage was at Alumni. It was a rare occasion I was sitting in UConn section so I didn't have any issues.

 

[Alum86]

I am with JC
We have no need for those turds from Newton. You guys are panicking and groveling. You're better than that. I am all about Irish Amnesia. Forgive....Never Forget.

 

[Yawkey Way]

BC will play Umass most years. Thats seems to be enough local attraction for college football fans in the state of Massachusetts from my observation. The state college system in Massachusetts produces a lot of grads that are from Massachusetts, many of whom remain in state for jobs after graduation. So they like playing BC. As for BC, most of their students now are from outside of N.E., so most of them would just yawn if a New England College like Uconn was put on the football schedule. It does nothing for these students, alums.. That said, I totally understand how this would be a VERY big deal in Connecticut, as many of its grads are residents of Connecticut, and Uconn football is ( or was ) big in the state.

There is a pecking order in college football. ND looks upon BC ,the way BC looks upon Uconn,, and Uconn looks upon Umass, the way Umass looks upon Holy Cross. It may not be fair, but its the reality of how football programs and its fan bases see themselves. All fan bases feel put upon by the ones higher up on the pecking order than them. There is nothing new under the sun in this, imo.

 

[whaler11]

BC will play Umass most years. Thats seems to be enough local attraction for college football fans in the state of Massachusetts from my observation. The state college system in Massachusetts produces a lot of grads that are from Massachusetts, many of whom remain in state for jobs after graduation. So they like playing BC. As for BC, most of their students now are from outside of N.E., so most of them would just yawn if a New England College like Uconn was put on the football schedule. It does nothing for these students, alums.. That said, I totally understand how this would be a VERY big deal in Connecticut, as many of its grads are residents of Connecticut, and Uconn football is ( or was ) big in the state.

There is a pecking order in college football. ND looks upon BC ,the way BC looks upon Uconn,, and Uconn looks upon Umass, the way Umass looks upon Holy Cross. It may not be fair, but its the reality of how football programs and its fan bases see themselves. All fan bases feel put upon by the ones higher up on the pecking order than them. There is nothing new under the sun in this, imo.

If HFD can get banned....

 

[Doggie Style]

If the lawsuit really played a role, please explain why BC still voluntarily plays us in Baseball, Soccer, and would gladly play us in hoops if we were willing, and please explain why BC happily supported UConn joining them in Hockey East.

There is no moral explanation whatsoever for being so offended they won't play us in football bu would play us in any other sport where (what a coincience) it is in their interest.

There. I"ve given you logical proof. You got anything other than "prove it?"

You've given absolutely nothing... Just sayin. You've said nothing that everyone doesn't already know, good job.! Anything else you mention is speculation and your opinion is as good as anyone else's on the board, but keep in mind it's your opinion... Period!

 

[Dooley]

As for BC, most of their students now are from outside of N.E., so most of them would just yawn if a New England College like Uconn was put on the football schedule. It does nothing for these students, alums.

It must be tough to get you BC fans to stop yawning. I mean, if USC at 8pm on ABC does nothing for your students and alums, who does?

 

[Doggie Style]

Since the lawsuit was headlined by Pitt, what role did you think it played?

Yes, I know Pitts position. I have no specific facts to imply that it did, just that the general thoughts as to why BC won't play us like turf battle etc... Just don't seem to make logical sense seeing the position they are currently in. I just think that there is more to it than that such as the lawsuit, is all I'm saying. I have friends from 4 ACC schools and none of them get excited nor even care to play BC, they are an outsider from what I'm told. Why would the school not want to re engage a regional rival aside from the obvious excuses we have all read seeing as they are relatively insignificant to everyone else? I just think there is more to it than that is all I'm saying.

 

[Yawkey Way]

It must be tough to get you BC fans to stop yawning. I mean, if USC at 8pm on ABC does nothing for your students and alums, who does?

It wasn't that bad. The TV numbers in Massachusetts were decent. I'm under no illusion however that college football in Massachusetts is a big deal. Most casual sports fans in Massachusetts consider college football the minor leagues. They are only interested in College football on NFL Draft Day. Wherever there is a pro football team nearby, the local college football team play second fiddle. And when the school is a relatively small, private school, it suffers even more. Georgia Tech has won college football national championships, but it pales in their state in that state's interest to the NFL's Atlanta Falcons, and to the big state U... Georgia Bulldogs. Miami Huricanes were winning national championships in football, and rarely had sellouts. They're not a state school either. They are a private. And they will always be 2nd fiddle in Miami to the NFL Dolphins, even when the Dolphins stink. Boston is a pro sports loving town. Always has been, always will be. That said, BC still has larger attendance at its home football games, than Uconn football does. So I wouldn't be knocking BC football on its home game football attendance attendance, when Uconn football has less fans at its games, than BC and yet is essentially the only game in town, and with no surrounding competition for the sports loving fan's dollar either.

 

[weyuo]

The northeast has passionate fans. VERY passionate fans. Unfortunately for college football, there are just so many professional and collegiate sports entertainment options in the northeast. An annual game between the two biggest programs in New England would be a very big deal and just might move the needle on college football in the area, as a whole

It would be a very big deal. It could and eventually would turn out to be the event to be seen at in New England every year for those that need to be seen. For the rest of us it would be merely "The Game" each year. UConn can make that game happen but they need to put in the time and effort to make that the most important game on both team's schedules each year. Only way that happens is to make themselves the most attractive opponent. Lots of wins and a top 25 ranking gets you there. 2-10 does not.

 

[Dooley]

Our attendance is putrid and has been in a free-falling nosedive ever since Jeff Hathaway/Paul Pasqualoni put their stamp on our program. Maybe you missed it when I wrote that earlier in this thread. But fact is that neither school can sell out its home games these days, so building up a regional rivalry would seem to benefit both schools.

 

[Yawkey Way]

. I have friends from 4 ACC schools and none of them get excited nor even care to play BC, they are an outsider from what I'm told..

My guess, none of these 4 football fans are football fans from Syracuse. Syracuse and BC will be annual football " rivals " from what it appears moving forward. BC tried to take ' Cuse along with them to the ACC, but Syracuse was torn between the football faction up there ( that wanted to go to the ACC ) and Boeheim and his basketball contingent. Syracuse froze, and got locked out. When the BE fell apart, Syracuse went scrambling for votes from the ACC School Presidents and were able to garner enough to get in. Now that Syracuse and BC are in the ACC together, both will play in the same division in the ACC, and make the last game of the season between one another. Both schools are privates, and both go way back in terms of playing one another in football. Both ccompete for the same kid in football recruiting too. So thats the regiona footballl rivalry thats coming in the ACC, imo

 

[Yawkey Way]

Our attendance is putrid and has been in a free-falling nosedive ever since Jeff Hathaway/Paul Pasqualoni put their stamp on our program. Maybe you missed it when I wrote that earlier in this thread. But fact is that neither school can sell out its home games these days, so building up a regional rivalry would seem to benefit both schools.

This is seen thru a Connecticut prism however.. and I get that. But in Massachusetts, there is more interest in BC and Umass getting together and playing football, than a BC - Uconn game. If we asked casual sports fans from Massachusetts would they rather watch BC play Uconn or Umass, the vast majority would say " Umass ". Thats not a disrespect to Uconn. Its the fact that there are far, far more graduates of the College State systems in Massachuetts, than there are Uconn grads in Massachusetts, especially the closer one gets to inside rte 495 corridor of Eastern Mass. This notion that somehow if Uconn plays BC in football that this will somehowbe a big shot in the arm to " New England College Football " ( heard many a time here ) is simply seen thru a Connecticut prism. BC students and alums are mostly from outside New England. They are not from N.E. at all. And there are few Uconn grads in Greater Boston( compared to alums that graduated from the State college system of Umass- Amherst, Umass- Boston, Umass- Lowell, and 7 other Massacusetts state colleges.) As a result, BC will have more Massachusetts residents at a BC- Umass game than a BC- Uconn game. So the fact that a BC- Umass game has more interest in Greater Boston than a BC- Uconn football game would is being shared now on here as seen thru a Massachuetts prism. Again, I DO understand the Connecticut prism lens here, and it makes perfect sense to me as to why this is seemingly such a big deal for people of Connecticut, or who are Uconn grads. I get that. I do. I just wanted to share however how this is looked at thru most Massachusetts casual sports fans prisims and who are not connected to BC in any way as alums there.

 

[whaler11]

All of this great Mass insight from a Florida resident. Thanks to the Boneyard for making it happen.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I stopped reading after he claimed there was interest in BC in the state of Massachusetts.

 

[Yawkey Way]

I stopped reading after he claimed there was interest in BC in the state of Massachusetts.

I guess you did. As I stated in my comments above... BC , in a pro town, as a private school, is second fiddle, 3rd fiddle in Massachuestts. That said, as a follow up, I also said that there is more interest in Greater Boston for BC to play Umass in football than for BC to play Uconn in football. As a non alum of BC, but as one that has lived for half a century in eastern Massachusetts, I believe that I know from that first hand experience what interest there is in Eastern Massachusetts for BC football , Umass football , and in this case, Uconn football.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Closer to sixth or seventh fiddle.

 

[Doggie Style]

My guess, none of these 4 football fans are football fans from Syracuse. Syracuse and BC will be annual football " rivals " from what it appears moving forward. BC tried to take ' Cuse along with them to the ACC, but Syracuse was torn between the football faction up there ( that wanted to go to the ACC ) and Boeheim and his basketball contingent. Syracuse froze, and got locked out. When the BE fell apart, Syracuse went scrambling for votes from the ACC School Presidents and were able to garner enough to get in. Now that Syracuse and BC are in the ACC together, both will play in the same division in the ACC, and make the last game of the season between one another. Both schools are privates, and both go way back in terms of playing one another in football. Both ccompete for the same kid in football recruiting too. So thats the regiona footballl rivalry thats coming in the ACC, imo

Nope! All southern schools: Wake,UNC,Duke,Virginia and Maryland but we know where they stand stand now. BC has Cuse and they desperately need them because except for Bball season they feel the same way about the Fruit too!

 

[whaler11]

Closer to sixth or seventh fiddle.

The Revolution is thankful to have someone to look down on.

 

[Burkie22]

I wish Addazio was our coach. So close to getting him.

This is a good start. BC is our biggest rival, that game would get our fan base fired up.

How is BC a rival at all, yet alone Uconns biggest ? They haven't played in 10 years, Uconn has never beaten BC, and they don't even play the same level of football

 

[Yawkey Way]

Nope! All southern schools: Wake,UNC,Duke,Virginia and Maryland but we know where they stand stand now. BC has Cuse and they desperately need them because except for Bball season they feel the same way about the Fruit too!

You said you talked recently with" fans from ACC schools" Then just listed " Maryland " as one of those ACC schools. Maryland is in the Big, not the ACC. So of course they would not care anymore about BC... nor any school in the ACC, for that matter. Wake is worse than BC in football, so who cares what they think about BC Football. Duke, UNC, Virginia, are in the Coastal Division of the ACC, not the Atlantic Division... so none of these schools play one another most years, so naturally BC fans don't think of these schools, in equal proportion that they can be expected to not to think of BC, either.

 

[The Viking]

That said, BC still has larger attendance at its home football games, than Uconn football does. So I wouldn't be knocking BC football on its home game football attendance attendance, when Uconn football has less fans at its games, than BC and yet is essentially the only game in town, and with no surrounding competition for the sports loving fan's dollar either.

Give UConn the ACC schedule and give BC the AAC schedule and how do you think those attendance numbers move for both schools, skippy.

 

[Yawkey Way]

How is BC a rival at all, yet alone Uconns biggest ? They haven't played in 10 years, Uconn has never beaten BC, and they don't even play the same level of football

Agree. In order to have a football " rivalry " with another, both schools have to play each other in football, and play each other every year in football too. And even THAT would not make for a football rivalry. Both schools would have to recognize that each is the others rival. Its not enough that just one side thinks this. For example, BC and ND's record against one another the last 20 years in football, shows ND with a slight edge in the match ups. If BC alums consider this other catholic school their football " rival", is it a football " rival " ? No... its not. ND does not consider BC their football " rival ", and so they are not. Besides, BC and ND don't play one another each year, and so that a " rivalry " deal breaker too. As for BC and Uconn, this is not remotely close to being a football rivalry, as the teams don't play, BC has won all the previous games ( tied once ), and BC students and Alums don't see Uconn as a football rival. Is Umass, Uconn's football rival ? No, of course not. It wouldn't matter what Umass fans might think on this either. If Uconn doesn't think Umass is their football rival, than that alone makes it a non rivalry game. That said, I have no idea who will be Uconn's football rival moving forward. The Uconn football coach wants it to be Central Florida... but thats dubious too as neither school's fans want the other as their football rival. So who knows where this goes regarding Uconn's quest to find a suitable football rival.

 

[CL82]

Bottom line: BC and Pitt saw the writing on the wall when Miami and VT left and acted on it when the opportunity presented itself. If UConn football started a generation earlier things would have been a lot different but..... if you snooze you lose. The state and UConn in particular snoozed too long on Division 1 football and now they're paying the price for it. You can crap on BC all you want but it's only talk. They hold the cards and until UConn can produce a ranked, marketable football team that TV wants to show BC won't have a reason to play the Huskies when they can play Cuse, Pitt, ND, Miami, Clemson, Fla St, Louisville, the Virginia and Carolina schools. The lawsuit just gave BC another reason to NOT play UConn so you can thank your U S Senator for that colossal blunder.
UConn: put a winner out there like TCU, T. A&M and Boise St did and conferences will want you. Beat Missouri! beat BYU! Beat the teams that your not supposed to and folks will take notice including BC. Diaco needs to shut up and concentrate on strategy. Do your talking on the field pal.

1) The lawsuit is an excuse not to play not a reason.
2) If you think that Blumenthal somehow went rogue and prosecuted the suit on his own, you are mistaken.
3) Pittsburgh was plaintiff in the suit. If suing poisoned UConn chances, why didn't it hurt Pitt as well?
4)We now know that UConn was the first choice to join with Syracuse. They back filled with Pitt after BCU balked. So your supposition that that Pitt's superior planning got them in is flawed.

 

[The Viking]

How is BC a rival at all, yet alone Uconns biggest ? They haven't played in 10 years, Uconn has never beaten BC, and they don't even play the same level of football

It is not a rival now, due to BC's choosing.
It had potential for a damn good regional rivalry but as has been said a million times, BC wants no part of UConn being on a level playing field as them because they worry that what happened in hoops will happen on the gridiron.

 

[Yawkey Way]

1) The lawsuit is an excuse not to play not a reason.
2) If you think that Blumenthal somehow went rogue and prosecuted the suit on his own, you are mistaken.
3) Pittsburgh was plaintiff in the suit. If suing poisoned UConn chances, why didn't it hurt Pitt as well?
4)We now know that UConn was the first choice to join with Syracuse. They backfilled with Pitt after BCU balked. So your supposition that that Pitts superior planing got them in is flawed.

The notion that BC has such enormous political clout and leverage in the ACC that all the other ACC schools defer to what BC wants is something that seems to dwell within the state of Connecticut alone. Yes, its true that BC voted " yes " to Uconn's admittance to the Big East in all sports, and " yes" to Uconn's admittance to Hockey East for Hockey, but " no " to Uconn's admittance to the ACC. " yes " its true that BC did not want a resurgent Uconn Football program in its neck of the woods. But its silly to think that BC has the political clout to call the shots with the other ACC schools ( or even the BIG schools ). Bottom line, if the other ACC schools felt that adding Uconn to their league would make them money, they would push BC aside in a heartbeat and invite Uconn . Same with the Big.

 

[Yawkey Way]

It is not a rival now, due to BC's choosing.
It had potential for a damn good regional rivalry but as has been said a million times, BC wants no part of UConn being on a level playing field as them because they worry that what happened in hoops will happen on the gridiron.

I think you could be right. There are ND people that said that ND should never have scheduled BC in football a few decades ago., as it would help elevate their program. At the time, ND felt they could schedule BC, and they'd win all the games between the 2 schools. But in time BC moved up and over the last 20 years, the won loss records show ND with just a slight edge, and even the BC losses to ND have mostly been close game right down to the wire. There are ND folks that said ND made a mistake to have ever scheduled BC in football decades ago.. Perhaps in retrospect, from a ND perspective, they are correct in that assessment. For BC, its much more closer to home too. Uconn is much closer in miles to BC, than ND is to BC. So BC probably believes that if they can prevent Uconn from moving up in football to their level in football, then by all means do so. The lawsuit gave BC an excuse to do what they felt they needed to do to protect their investments and protect what they view as their " turf ", ie New England. BC football is the king of college football in New England , has been for over 40 years, and BC decided to keep it that way, and do what they could, both on and off the field to prevent an intrusion on BC's 40 year dominance of N.E College football.. Thats my sense of this anyway, as a non BC alum. That said, if the other ACC schools ( or the BIG ) wanted Uconn in their leagues, BC couldn't stop this.

 

[The Viking]

The notion that BC has such enormous political clout and leverage in the ACC that all the other ACC schools defer to what BC wants is something that seems to dwell within the state of Connecticut alone. Yes, its true that BC voted " yes " to Uconn's admittance to the Big East in all sports, and " yes" to Uconn's admittance to Hockey East for Hockey, but " no " to Uconn's admittance to the ACC. " yes " its true that BC did not want a resurgent Uconn Football program in its neck of the woods. But its silly to think that BC has the political clout to call the shots with the other ACC schools ( or even the BIG schools ). Bottom line, if the other ACC schools felt that adding Uconn to their league would make them money, they would push BC aside in a heartbeat and invite Uconn . Same with the Big.

Conferences tend to allow their schools to protect their turf as long as its not a preposterous request. Because Pitt was an acceptable replacement to UConn, they went with BC's wishes early in the process to change it from the original UConn/Cuse addition to Cuse/Pitt
The Louisville thing as we all know by now was a move by the football schools to wield power. The hoops schools willingly gave up their reputation as an academic conference first and foremost by taking Louisville over UConn so that the FSU's and Clemsons could be happy.
Considering how many posts you have as a BC fan on a UConn board, I'd have to believe you've heard of these things by now.

Why are you on the Boneyard again, considering the two schools aren't rivals?