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ConnHuskBask said:
Tulane and East Carolina. Plain and simple. It was the ultra reactionary move that got the Presidents approval, without thoroughly being reviewed.

By all accounts, inviting Tulane was the final straw that broke the C7's back and forced them out of the league. Or, if you don't buy that the C7 were staying anyways, by inviting another 2 eastern members, it killed any shot of a 'western' division of the Big East.

I'm of the belief that the C7 may have had their foot out of the door regardless of who was invited, so let's just look at the failure of the Big East to create a 'Western Divison'.

Big East, East 7 teams - UConn, Cinci, USF, Temple, Memphis, UCF, Navy (fb-only)

Big East, West 7 teams - Houston, SMU, San Diego State, Boise State, New Mexico, UNLV, Colorado State

Football - Play your division 3 home/3 away and 3 games vs the other division.
Basketball - Play your division twice (east would have 1 less home/home due to Navy fb only) and the other division once (splitting home/away games). So if you're UConn, you're only taking 3 long road to the Rockies/California every year.

You absolutely cannot tell me that the best teams of the Big East and the best teams of the Mountain West wouldn't have gotten a better TV deal as one entity.

-You drop Tulane, East Carolina, Wyoming, Nevada, Air Force and the long trips to Hawaii.
-You become the clear cut 6th best league in terms of perception and chances are, you may still be better than the ACC in some years.
-Basketball is still a strong conference by adding New Mexico and San Diego State to the West. In most years this is going to be the clear cut 6th best basketball conference.

Where do we stand now due to Tulane and East Carolina?

Well, we lost the C-7.
Well, we lost Boise State and San Diego State.
The Mountain West and the Big East are both worse off and significantly worse than the ACC.
Big East hoops absolutely sucks.
The Mountain West couldn't full re-open it's TV deal.
UConn will be sharing their TV revenue with ducking Tulane. Do you realize how pathetic that is?
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I agree that the smart move would have been to take the best of the MWC and BE and form a new league. It didn't happen. We are where we are. Tulsa and UMass can be additive, although I don't really care that much about either of them either way. I am not prepared to freak out or start another ranting thread just because we are not in the B1G.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The most depressing aspect of this is this story is that Tulsa has apparently turned down the MWC. The only reason Tulsa, SMU, and Houston all pass on the MWC for the Big East is if they expect UConn and Cincinnati to be sticking around for a while.
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The other way to read this is that the ACC is about to lose 8-10 and Tulsa is excited about being in a league with those schools.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
. I am not prepared to freak out or start another ranting thread just because we are not in the B1G.
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Yes but let's not paint this pig.

From the basketball perspective:

Outright Big East Defections:
WVU
Pitt
SU
ND
And gone missing: one Red Dwarf.


Teams refusing to come play basketball with us:
SDSU
TCU
Boise

A Swap Meet
#2 Lousville for the A-10's unranked Temple

We Trade the C-7 for the C-USA-7

Hello 131 RPI average, 2 death penalty schools, cross country travel, and a generally lousy post-season history: Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, UCF, SMU, Houston, Memphis

Good Bye 73 RPI Average, Regional Rivalries, and a lengthy post-season history(including the NIT) Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova, St John's, PC, Seton Hall and Depaul
 
RS9999X said:
Yes but let's not paint this pig.

From the basketball perspective:

Big East Defections:
WVU
Pitt
SU
ND

Team refusing to play basketball with us:
SDSU
TCU

A Swap Meet
#2 Lousville for the A-10's unranked Temple

Trade the C-7 for the C-USA-7

Hello 131 RPI average and 2 death penalty schools Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, UCF, SMU, Houston, Memphis

Good Bye 73 RPI Average Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova, St John's, PC, Seton Hall and Depaul
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Care to explain what you mean about SDSU and TCU refusing to play basketball with us??? Talk about "painting"...
 
UConnDan97 said:
Care to explain what you mean about SDSU and TCU refusing to play basketball with us??? Talk about "painting"...
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Just tryng to put another perspective on your spin Dan That's all. From my perspective it's pretty damn sad.
 
RS9999X said:
Just tryng to put another perspective on your spin Dan That's all. From my perspective it's pretty damn sad.
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I'm not the one putting spin on anything. If you think that SDSU "chose" to put their hoops into the Big West by design, in order to play against the likes of Cal-Davis and UC-Irvine rather than to play in the Big East, then you are the one spinning. SDSU wasn't asked to play hoops in the Big East. Period. No spinning.

Apparently you don't recall that part of the bargain was for SDSU to at least get a couple of token games against our bball teams in order to join in football, because our hoops meant that much to them. But don't let history get in the way of your arguments....
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Apparently you don't recall that part of the bargain was for SDSU to at least get a couple of token games against our bball teams in order to join in football, because our hoops meant that much to them. But don't let history get in the way of your arguments....
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Meaning we would let them cherry pick a few matchups because they weren't crazy enough to jump a jet to come play USF and UCF and everyone else we had lined up for them with the C7 on the edge of defection. An act of mercy to service football IIRC.
 
RS9999X said:
Meaning we would let them cherry pick a few matchups because they weren't crazy enough to jump a jet to come play USF and UCF and everyone else we had lined up for them with the C7 on the edge of defection.
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No. Absolutely not. They were not invited. Stop making stuff up! They are currently playing in such a weak conference in bball as to make their fanbase cry. It was mandated in the contract that they would get a certain amount of BE games every year in order for them to stomach the move and leave the Mountain West. Please cut out your color commentary and stick with the facts...
 
Apparently I need to do the homework for other posters:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/dec/13/big-east-sdsu-outline-agreement/

"--The Big East agrees to “facilitate discussions” between SDSU and current Big East members regarding the scheduling of two home and two away basketball games each season. This is designed to help beef up the schedule strength of the SDSU men’s basketball program after it is forced to move to the Big West, a league with weaker competition."
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
I agree that the smart move would have been to take the best of the MWC and BE and form a new league. It didn't happen. We are where we are. Tulsa and UMass can be additive, although I don't really care that much about either of them either way. I am not prepared to freak out or start another ranting thread just because we are not in the B1G.
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You're right. We're stuck in the NBE. That doesn't mean we have to further dilute not only the on-field/court quality of the NBE, but also the per team TV revenue payout.

Every add that brings less than TV revenue than UConn, dilutes money that should be rightfully ours.

Now, you may say, well there's no one out there that brings more than UConn.

The answer to that? Stop adding teams that will only leech money from UConn!
 
ConnHuskBask said:
You're right. We're stuck in the NBE. That doesn't mean we have to further dilute not only the on-field/court quality of the NBE, but also the per team TV revenue payout.

Every add that brings less than TV revenue than UConn, dilutes money that should be rightfully ours.

Now, you may say, well there's no one out there that brings more than UConn.

The answer to that? Stop adding teams that will only leech money from UConn!
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While I agree with your logic that adding teams dilutes the money distribution, we need to really starting giving a tiny bit of faith in Aresco. He's not going to add Tulsa just for the heck of it. I'm hoping, and really trying hard to believe in his actions, that adding Tulsa will somehow, somewhere get us more money in a TV deal with someone. I can't imagine that he's not checking with whatever tv network he's planning on going with to make sure that the sum of money is not lessening with each addition. Tulsa, for that matter, hasn't even been invited yet.....

So while I agree that adding more teams seems to dilute the payout, there has to be some belief that Aresco, a former CBS exec, knows what he's doing. He may not have known so much what he was doing when he forced the C7's hand a bit by adding Tulane and ECU. However, now that everyone who might leave, has left, he can move forward with doing what needs to be done. If adding Tulsa, for some reason, adds money to the TV deal, than he's going to make that move.

This is the only thing that gets me through the additions of more teams......
 
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UCFBfan said:
While I agree with your logic that adding teams dilutes the money distribution, we need to really starting giving a tiny bit of faith in Aresco. He's not going to add Tulsa just for the heck of it. I'm hoping, and really trying hard to believe in his actions, that adding Tulsa will somehow, somewhere get us more money in a TV deal with someone. I can't imagine that he's not checking with whatever tv network he's planning on going with to make sure that the sum of money is not lessening with each addition. Tulsa, for that matter, hasn't even been invited yet.....

So while I agree that adding more teams seems to dilute the payout, there has to be some belief that Aresco, a former CBS exec, knows what he's doing. He may not have known so much what he was doing when he forced the C7's hand a bit by adding Tulane and ECU. However, now that everyone who might leave, has left, he can move forward with doing what needs to be done. If adding Tulsa, for some reason, adds money to the TV deal, than he's going to make that move.

This is the only thing that gets me through the additions of more teams......
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How can I have any faith in a commissioner that added Tulane and East Carolina with absolutely zero due diligence.

In one fell swoop by adding Tulane and East Carolina without fully consulting the athletic decision makers, Aresco chased off the C-7, Boise State and San Diego State.

Oh, and in doing so killed off any chance of Western expansion.

Consider this - the last three adds to the Big East were Tulane, East Carolina and Tulsa.

Everyone of those schools is leeching money from UConn, because they sure as hell don't add any value.
 
You could make a case Aresco did better for his former client, the MWC, and his alma mater Tulane.

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I like that people believe that the Tulane addition was what drove out the C7 (as much as I hated the addition, it wasn't the reason). Despite what the Marquette AD said, the addition was only adding one weaker bball team (ECU was football-only). What really sent the C-7 packing was Louisville and Rutgers leaving. It meant that the new contract could no longer promise them a large sum of money.

It wasn't about the way they saw the basketball league going, because they had plenty of opportunity to drop out after SMU, Houston, and UCF were added. Tulane didn't change the equation that much. The tv money did, though...

Timeline:
Nov. 20 - Rutgers to B1G
Nov. 27 - Tulane, ECU to Big East
Nov. 29 - Louisville to ACC
Dec. 15 - C7 leaves Big East
 
UConnDan97 said:
I like that people believe that the Tulane addition was what drove out the C7 (as much as I hated the addition, it wasn't the reason). Despite what the Marquette AD said, the addition was only adding one weaker bball team (ECU was football-only). What really sent the C-7 packing was Louisville and Rutgers leaving. It meant that the new contract could no longer promise them a large sum of money.

It wasn't about the way they saw the basketball league going, because they had plenty of opportunity to drop out after SMU, Houston, and UCF were added. Tulane didn't change the equation that much. The tv money did, though...

Timeline:
Nov. 20 - Rutgers to B1G
Nov. 27 - Tulane, ECU to Big East
Nov. 29 - Louisville to ACC
Dec. 15 - C7 leaves Big East
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Ignoring that Tulane and East Carolina (who was football-only at the time, but everyone can read the writing on the wall to a full sports membership) are two of the worst basketball programs in America and ignoring what a C-7 AD said on the matter, then yeah, I guess you could say they had nothing to do with it.

Of everything with conference realignment that bothers me and god damnit a lot of it does, the Tulane, ECU, and rumored Tulsa add just make me livid. Why? It's something that's actually within the BE's control and we still duck it up.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Ignoring that Tulane and East Carolina (who was football-only at the time, but everyone can read the writing on the wall to a full sports membership) are two of the worst basketball programs in America and ignoring what a C-7 AD said on the matter, then yeah, I guess you could say they had nothing to do with it.

Of everything with conference realignment that bothers me and god damnit a lot of it does, the Tulane, ECU, and rumored Tulsa add just make me livid. Why? It's something that's actually within the BE's control and we still duck it up.
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The only reason ECU will be an all-sports add (I'm still not sure why it hasn't officially happened yet) is because the C7 is leaving. Period.

Having said that, I hated (and still hate) the Tulane move, because it DIDN'T EVEN HELP US IN FOOTBALL! But having said that, it's still not the reason the C7 left. The C7 saw that they would achieve a similar sized tv contract on their own but with less travel and the ability to poach from the A-10. If Louisville stuck around, we aren't even having this discussion. That's because the C-7 would never trade UConn, Cincy, and the Ville plus extra cash for Xavier, Butler, and VCU and less cash. Now, it's closer to even money...
 
The C7 were gone as soon as UL or UConn left - Tulane is a convenient scapegoat for them, but that's a manufactured excuse.

I think you overestimate what the Big East still has control over. They've heard "no" more often than HFD hitting on the staff at Hooters.
 
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The geography and competitiveness and basketball money from the Tulane radio network didn't make any sense. Seriously. Who wants to play in front of students wearing Nutria pelts?

These things don't happen in a vacuum. There simply aren't football schools left with good basketball programs outside of the MWC. The Catholics knew this. They sized up the scenarios months ago as did Notre Dame. No AQ and BE football had no chips to attract the MWV or to spot with Notre Dame.







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HuskyHawk said:
Strongly prefer the Tulsa girl to this whore.
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Her being a whore is why I wouldn't get a shot! Her face is incredibly beautiful. I am a face man.

Personally, in high school and college and after, I've hung around the metal/hardcore/punk/hippie crowd. Not a fan of tattoos and ear plugs. Do have both ears pierced but don't wear earrings anymore. They were and are not exactly "conservative". I definitely am more "conservative" than the people I've been around.

I think it is possible for at least Tulane to revive itself athletically. They are AAU members and used to be members of the SEC. I wouldn't underestimate private schools and the wealth behind them. Who really knows what Tulsa can accomplish. They are in a pretty decent sized metropolitan area that will probably continue to grow. From a basketball perspective, they did have a reasonable run between 1993 and 2003, with Nolan Richardson and Bill Self being two of the head coaches during that span. Ranked as the 59th most successful basketball program of all-time. They are 12-14 in 14 NCAA appearances and won the NIT twice. Danny Manning may be a big step in helping their recruiting. I'd assume the city of Tulsa would rather support Golden Hurricane basketball than the D-League team they have.
 
Great. We have gone from flying charter to flying southwest with 2 layovers quicker than ray allen releases a jump shot. This has to be considered dire even for the pre big-east, lifelong huskies fan.
 
Things change.

It can't be easy for Aresco or anyone on the Big East to talk to TV Networks or new prospective schools while you have 2 or 3 core Universities constantly calling to see if they can move. Having said that, it also isn't hard to see that 3 years from now (if the BE has a decent TV contract), the economics for the BE conference will far out-dollar the MWC. I am not sure why I wouldn't go to see UConn-SMU in Football; and not sure a UVA - UConn ACC Football game is markedly better. I do care about the dismissive attitude here (and elsewhere) and a continuing decline in our prospective Hoop schedule. I'm hoping Warde Manual is a Rock Star (against some clear evidence).
 
ConnHuskBask said:
How can I have any faith in a commissioner that added Tulane and East Carolina with absolutely zero due diligence.

In one fell swoop by adding Tulane and East Carolina without fully consulting the athletic decision makers, Aresco chased off the C-7, Boise State and San Diego State.

Oh, and in doing so killed off any chance of Western expansion.

Consider this - the last three adds to the Big East were Tulane, East Carolina and Tulsa.

Everyone of those schools is leeching money from UConn, because they sure as hell don't add any value.
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tulsa was added?
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Without getting too melodramatic, this conference isn't the worst thing in the world. It's essentially the remaining Big East teams with the absolute best selection of C-USA, along with Indy Navy. Top to bottom, we are at the very least the equivalent of the Mountain West and better than the rest of the non-AQs. Now, UConn's job is simple:

1) Dominate in football, having multiple years of 9-win seasons or better.
2) Dominate the basketball, since we are the premier team in the league, having numerous 23 win seasons or better.
3) Continue our top notch olympic sports (women's bball, baseball, growing hockey, etc.).

All of this is within our capabilities, and all of this will eventually lead to us being in a better place in college athletics....
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So step 1) a. in the plan is to bribe the ACC, B12, B10, or Pac12 to send Cincy an invitation?
 
RegisteredUconn said:
So step 1) a. in the plan is to bribe the ACC, B12, B10, or Pac12 to send Cincy an invitation?
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???

If you are saying that we cannot dominate in the conference if Cincy remains in the conference, then I would say that we have bigger problems than conference affiliation...
 
UConnDan97 said:
???

If you are saying that we cannot dominate in the conference if Cincy remains in the conference, then I would say that we have bigger problems than conference affiliation...
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I'll say we haven't dominated the conference with Cincy in it. I believe we have bigger problems than conference affiliation.
 
Jerry27 said:
No, but when has the truth stopped some people here from declaring a rumor as fact and whining like a two year old?
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Two year olds are more mature than many grown-ups. ;)
 
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