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Doesn't hurt that we just hired chillious, who coached and is a mentor to isaiah thomas currently. All that, along with ollies previous relationship with him and his dad ( we were in his final 7) and KO's experience with smaller guards...this is a home-run. lots to sell.
 
husky99 said:
Hearing more interest on water side then expected.
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People talking at the JCC all-star game that this could actually happen. Who knows if true but just passing along.

God I want to land this kid so bad. If AG is healthy, having 2 super skilled small guards is an amazing long term foundation for a program.
 
James said:
Doesn't hurt that we just hired chillious, who coached and is a mentor to isaiah thomas currently. All that, along with ollies previous relationship with him and his dad ( we were in his final 7) and KO's experience with smaller guards...this is a home-run. lots to sell.
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Him and rique are errily similar to bazz and boat
 
Waters is tiny but his game is different than Alterique's. They would be giving up a lot of size on defense but people often don't factor in how much trouble these guys would cause bigger guards on defense. Like Boat and Bazz they would both get under the guards they are guarding and cause havoc. Waters and Gilbert are both huge pests on defense.
 
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husky99 said:
We need a big so bad. But waters helps in creating a guard foundation and his height will keep him college 3 to 4 years
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True. I think we'll get someone to bridge the gap to next year at 5. If not then we'll make it work. Need waters though
 
husky99 said:
We need a big so bad. But waters helps in creating a guard foundation and his height will keep him college 3 to 4 years
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No doubt, but this would allow much more margin of error. If you can trot out a top 5 backcourt in the country, you don't exactly need a top flight frontline to be a top 20ish team. And we certainly are miles and miles away from a top frontline.
 
I would love this. Adams probably is gone after this year, and as some have noted: His game isn't that "redundant" to AG in that other than size they bring different skill sets to the PG spot.

In fact, I think they complement each other well, skill set-wise.
 
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walker11 said:
No doubt, but this would allow much more margin of error. If you can trot out a top 5 backcourt in the country, you don't exactly need a top flight frontline to be a top 20ish team. And we certainly are miles and miles away from a top frontline.
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We learned this with Nolan at starting center. Oriakhi was a good big but Olander and Okwandu certainly weren't world beaters. Really hope the staff can convince Waters to stay home.
 
superjohn said:
We learned this with Nolan at starting center. Oriakhi was a good big but Olander and Okwandu certainly weren't world beaters. Really hope the staff can convince Waters to stay home.
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Yup. There are a lot of good teams without great bigs. There just aren't a lot of great bigs in the NCAA, or even in the NBA. You need a big man that can rebound and defend. It really shouldn't be THAT hard to find.

Of course I am worried about the future of the program, but I would be more worried if we were becoming typecast as a program that isn't good for guards, instead of bigs.
 
walker11 said:
Yup. There are a lot of good teams without great bigs. There just aren't a lot of great bigs in the NCAA, or even in the NBA. You need a big man that can rebound and defend. It really shouldn't be THAT hard to find.

Of course I am worried about the future of the program, but I would be more worried if we were becoming typecast as a program that isn't good for guards, instead of bigs.
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I wish Voskuhl had a 6'11 son who played just like him.
 
Any half decent hungry big should see a huuuge opportunity here. Especially if we land this guy. A good smart big should see themselves as the last piece to something good.
 
walker11 said:
No doubt, but this would allow much more margin of error. If you can trot out a top 5 backcourt in the country, you don't exactly need a top flight frontline to be a top 20ish team. And we certainly are miles and miles away from a top frontline.
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As UCONN's proven several times.
 
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I'd love to see Waters stay home. Doesn't seem too long ago when we first started hearing about him being a tiny CT kid with a deadly shot. He'd be loved very quickly at UConn.
 
Waters is a very good player. He creates opportunity off the dribble, has a great jumper, and most important creates open jumpers off the dribble. For a guard oriented team, you must have that. That is why Bazz and Boat worked well. We cannot continue to operate this style with bad offensive players. Tremont Waters would thrive here and the fans would push him up hill because he is one of our own guys. This would be huge.

Waters and one solid, rebounding big that can take up space and make a put back would completely erase my worries about the defections. Throw in a wing with solid skills and the ability to play 10-15 mpg and hit an open jump shot and I'm happy with it. Waters is huge for the morale and long term health of this program. Fingers crossed.
 
superjohn said:
I wish Voskuhl had a 6'11 son who played just like him.
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Seems kinda hard nowadays to find big men to play for us that just want to win, understand their role, play it to the best of their ability, fill that void up front that we need (a post presents that can set screens, rebound, block a shot or 2 every now and again, be physical in the paint, and again, rebound)
 
When I met Tremont's dad at a Brewster game vs Jalen Adams, he had traveled here to New Hampshire on a weekday to watch. As I posted here at the time, his dad was all about education first. Georgetown, Duke, Stanford, etc seemed to respond to that inclination. Now I wonder if our appeal might be enhanced based on his desire to regularly attend games, rather than it being Tremont's first choice.

Keep in mind we are recruiting both as 3-4 year parts of the program. During every foul shot on the court in the Brewster game, Tremont came over to his dad in the front row on the opposite side of the court from his coaching staff, to receive instruction and critique from dad rather than coaches. The dad seemed like a very reasonable fellow, but he had opinions about the use/minutes of players on the court that were at odds with who was being used, and, had no problem sharing those opinions.

Adding Tremont would be great, but the idea that our back court is then set for years, ignores our new version of 'one and done' and the continual recruiting involved of the kids AND parents every season.
 
Ricker said:
Keep in mind we are recruiting both as 3-4 year parts of the program. During every foul shot on the court in the Brewster game, Tremont came over to his dad in the front row on the opposite side of the court from his coaching staff, to receive instruction and critique from dad rather than coaches. The dad seemed like a very reasonable fellow, but he had opinions about the use/minutes of players on the court that were at odds with who was being used, and, had no problem sharing those opinions.
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Oh great! Just like Vance Jackson and his father. Gotta love highly-involved family here :rolleyes:
 
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Rocktheworld said:
Oh great! Just like Vance Jackson and his father. Gotta love highly-involved family here :rolleyes:
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Anyone who is involved in higher level youth sports (premier teams, academies, etc.) knows how it goes. The parents spent lots of time, money, and effort in their kids' athletic careers. It is then not a surprise to see this level of involvement even when their sons are mature. BUT --- is it healthy for a team?

Unless you have the clout to tell a parent to shut up or go away, it seems you have to deal with it. And it can become ruinous to a locker room. Anytime you have even the remotest of influence from a parent, others will complain. I see it with a team manager on my kid's team. It is unhealthy.

Remember, the players that liked Calhoun always called him a father figure. Some didn't have fathers in their lives. Think of Caron. And Calhoun also had big trouble with kids whose fathers were either very involved or else former pro athletes themselves, like Oriakhi or Gavin Edwards.

And no, before anyone asks, I do not recommend that Ollie focus his recruitment on kids without fathers in their lives.
 
ktuck911 said:
Seems kinda hard nowadays to find big men to play for us that just want to win, understand their role, play it to the best of their ability, fill that void up front that we need (a post presents that can set screens, rebound, block a shot or 2 every now and again, be physical in the paint, and again, rebound)
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It's not like these former big men who wanted to win didn't have NBA careers, Travis Knight, Jake Voskhul, Emeka Okafor--all of them did. I think they all got paid too.
 
Managing personalities is literally one of the top descriptions of the head coaching job.
 
This thread getting my hopes up about Tremont. I know I probably shouldn't get excited but it would just be such a nice piece of news after this past month.
 
Landing Tremont would not only offset the loss of MAL, but in a way mitigate some of what was lost with Vance's spot up 3pt shooting (and maybe the shot won't take a full 2 seconds to get off).

He's the perfect player in Ollie's system, his ability to shoot from deep and off the dribble makes him in my eyes the better player than MAL who really only had size and finishing ability over TW. Ollie can really reverse some of the recent damage with this signing, I just wish the kid would stop holding hand out for better offers and just look in his own backyard for a second.
 
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