Transfer thread

[Charliebball]

Just a hunch (aided by some social media rumours), but I'd say there is a good chance that Camara ends up at UConn.

I wonder if Geno would pull the trigger on another transfer at this point.............odds are perhaps less likely with the additions of AS

 

[donalddoowop]

Actually there are three available

Than you. That is good to know.

 

[TFintheMix]

Seems like Louisville has 25 scholarships.

Come on down to Walz Ford and get yourself a certified pre-owned Taurus...

He sure is a salesman.

Louisville seems to have several transfers a year. They seem to over recruit positions and those who lose the position battle transfer.

 

[Charliebball]

Than you. That is good to know.

They may be available but as many of us have discussed, UConn doesn't like to carry more then 11-12 players................ much to my consternation!!!!!

 

[Charliebball]

Due to the recent comings and goings there, I guess there is one scholarship open....with all due respect to our Cardinal colleagues, it's hard to keep track. However, take a check at the door: there's a mess of young posts coming in the door there. Plus, there will only be so many shots to be had in two years, with Hines-Allen, Moore, Durr, etc. still slated to be there.

BTW, Ms. White was scheduled to be at Louisville for a visit last weekend...no news on how that went.

Here you go:


Raoul ‏@Raoul_000 13h13 hours ago
Louisville now out of 2016-17 scholarships, so cross them off for ex-Illini Chatrice White. Notre Dame is the other known suitor for White

 

[CocoHusky]

They may be available but as many of us have discussed, UConn doesn't like to carry more then 11-12 players...... much to my consternation!!!!!

We are also in different times which may require a relook of that number. Transfers are picking up for everyone including UCONN. UCONN =-3 transfers in the last 4 years ( Eglen, Johnson, Banks, Edwards, & Boykin) Out and (Butler & Stevens) in

 

[Charliebball]

We are also in different times which may require a relook of that number. Transfers are picking up for everyone including UCONN. UCONN =-3 transfers in the last 4 years ( Eglen, Johnson, Banks, Edwards, & Boykin) Out and (Butler & Stevens) in

I agree, better players are transferring so why shouldn't UConn be open if the right circumstance arises..............guess that works the other way too.......................look at Coach K at Duke.............if you told anybody that he would take one and done players ten years ago, they would say you are crazy..............times change for better or for worse................coaches sometimes need to change too

 

[UcMiami]

They may be available but as many of us have discussed, UConn doesn't like to carry more then 11-12 players...... much to my consternation!!!!!

We are also in different times which may require a relook of that number. Transfers are picking up for everyone including UCONN. UCONN =-3 transfers in the last 4 years ( Eglen, Johnson, Banks, Edwards, & Boykin) Out and (Butler & Stevens) in

Charlie Ball - agree, but it is a fungible number - the absolute limit is 15, the preferred number is 12, but every year presents different possibilities, surprises, and disappointments and depends on the decisions being made by 17 year olds in recruiting and 18-22 year olds on teams across the country. So if the right players wanted to commit to Uconn even after they reach twelve players returning/committed, I suspect the coaching staff would make a 15 player team work. (You just aren't going to turn the next Stewart down if she wants to come even if you have 14 on scholarship already!)

Coco - yeah - it is a changing landscape in WCBB and that may well cause some adjustments. The number of star players transferring in the last few years is astonishing and unprecedented. And many of them are making that decision in the first semester of their freshman year, instead of after two years. The prospect of having a DD or Boykin or Edwards for 3 years is more appealing than having a Banks or Brown for a single year. With both greater attrition from teams and more and better and younger talent on the 'waver wire' I wouldn't be surprised if Uconn makes some adjustments to what we general consider their standard practice.
In thinking about that last sentence - as far as I can remember Stevens may be the first transfer accepted with less than three years of eligibility left. I can't remember if Sadiq (sp) was a junior college graduate in which case she might be the only other - Rita who came from JUCO still had three years.

 

[bags27]

If UConn does go with the current flow and become significantly more aggressive with transfers, it will be interesting how it will affect team cohesion--both the emotional connection the players have for one another and their actual team play. But my sense (hope?) is that Geno will remain highly selective in the use transfers, and will continue to build virtually all his team (at least 9 or 10 of any current roster) from freshman recruits. He is too old school and far, far too successful to do otherwise at this point....I hope....

 

[UcMiami]

Agree Bags - That big question 'why exactly do you want to leave _____ school' is one that is loaded with bad answers, and I don't see the coaches changing their standards. I think the change may be to have a slightly bigger roster 'ideal' size becoming 13 instead of 12 because of more frequent attrition which is already happening over the last 6 or so years to uconn's roster.

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

Just dreaming, ok, no facts presently, but what if B. Camara comes in from KY and Megan Walker signs on to go with Azura Stevens' transfer! Do you think Brenda Frese would have a fit! With her past comment that Geno gets all the best players! And her comments after "he who should not be named" said UCONN was ruining WCBB!
About the scholarships, UCONN can have 15 total, just had 11, 4 graduated giving them 7, signing 3 rookies, and Azura Stevens giving them 11 again. So if Camara can transfer in that's 12 for next year.

 

[huskeynut]

With the changing landscape, Geno will most likely adapt to it.

For many, Geno has been the leader in change with the way he approaches the X's and O's of the game. Stifling man-to-man defense, pressure defense, motion offense (or whatever you want to call it), and versatile players who can play multiple positions.

I think Geno will selectively look at potential transfers in the future.

 

[UcMiami]

When you really think about it - Stevens just replaces Boykin in terms of team size for the same years - Whatever the over all plan for recruiting from last summer was, when Boykin left, they had to make adjustments, and with Azura now on board they are right back to the plan they were working with before. She is a different player, but fills that '4' position that Boykin likely would have occupied.

 

[CocoHusky]

Just dreaming, ok, no facts presently, but what if B. Camara comes in from KY and Megan Walker signs on to go with Azura Stevens' transfer! Do you think Brenda Frese would have a fit! With her past comment that Geno gets all the best players! And her comments after "he who should not be named" said UCONN was ruining WCBB!
About the scholarships, UCONN can have 15 total, just had 11, 4 graduated giving them 7, signing 3 rookies, and Azura Stevens giving them 11 again. So if Camara can transfer in that's 12 for next year.

I don't think it's just Brenda I think it all of WCBB and especially Brenda and Tara- who remarked if that if things don't change next year (=UCONN not win NC) she might be inclined to agree with Shaunessey. Guess what?
IMO with or without Walker UCONN wins NC in 2018, because the team will be too big, too fast, and too deep.

 

[EricSD]

When you really think about it - Stevens just replaces Boykin in terms of team size for the same years - Whatever the over all plan for recruiting from last summer was, when Boykin left, they had to make adjustments, and with Azura now on board they are right back to the plan they were working with before. She is a different player, but fills that '4' position that Boykin likely would have occupied.

And, no offense to Boykin, but I think UCONN is in much better shape with Stevens if you consider trading one for the other. I'm intrigued about Camara. I hope Geno gives her a hard look and vice versa. And I continue to be encouraged by news we keep hearing about Walker.

 

[CocoHusky]

When you really think about it - Stevens just replaces Boykin in terms of team size for the same years - Whatever the over all plan for recruiting from last summer was, when Boykin left, they had to make adjustments, and with Azura now on board they are right back to the plan they were working with before. She is a different player, but fills that '4' position that Boykin likely would have occupied.

I agree but that extra 4 inches and 2 years of college ball at AA level are literally and figuratively huge! All the potential new recruits to the rosters are best case 6'4". Boykin was 6'2" generously. With Stevens you can go ultra huge with a front line of 6'6" Stevens, 6'5" Butler, 6'3" KLS or go ultra fast and still tall by taking out butler. Stevens is also a match up nightmare that offensively can be deployed from 3 Pt arc to baseline to post.

 

[bags27]

When you really think about it - Stevens just replaces Boykin in terms of team size for the same years... She is a different player, but fills that '4' position that Boykin likely would have occupied.

Sorry, what follows just adds to what CocoHusky said. I didn't read the whole thread before responding.

Yes, roster-wise a likely 4 replaced by a definite 4. Boykin was injured in high school, right?, so we couldn't fairly assess her. And she hasn't played yet and won't, I think, until Jan. 2017. But it's probably fair to say that AZ is a massively more important presence, and can probably play the 3 or even the 5 comfortably. Far more of a Stewie-type from what we hear.

 

[bags27]

I don't think it's just Brenda I think it all of WCBB and especially Brenda and Tara- who remarked if that if things don't change next year (=UCONN not win NC) she might be inclined to agree with Shaunessey. Guess what?
IMO with or without Walker UCONN wins NC in 2018, because the team will be too big, too fast, and too deep.

But to be fair, Tara may have been joking.

 

[Dillon77]

Here you go:


Raoul ‏@Raoul_000 13h13 hours ago
Louisville now out of 2016-17 scholarships, so cross them off for ex-Illini Chatrice White. Notre Dame is the other known suitor for White

Thanks. Boy, you take a day or so to catch up on other things, and details and developments fly out of the wood work!
Yeah, I saw from your entry about the post from California committing to Cardinal Post and Center U in Louisville and thought it might effectively put them at/near the limit.

Regarding Ms. White, we're pretty sure she's been on ND's campus a few weeks back -- I wonder if the experiences and expectations she's had since her HS recruitment now match up well with ND, Muffet and her staff. MM is becoming even more particular about whom she wants in her program and don't think she's going to pull the trigger unless the match is a sound one for all concerned. From a strictly talent and contribution level, I can see it working, for sure. But the devil's in the details....we'll see.

On the other hand, I wonder where else might be on Ms. White's itinerary...the only other ACC school that might fit her criteria -- the Seminoles don't have an army of posts coming back and the culture is used to players coming from a variety of sources (regular recruiting, transfers, international schools, combinations thereof) so it's pretty inclusive (not meant that other places are not). White's dad also mentioned some Big 12 schools as an option, but have not heard or seen anything. Maybe things will pick up after finals, which she should be taking soon....But if the goal is to register for summer school as he also said, this decision will not be that far in the future.

 

[CocoHusky]

But to be fair, Tara may have been joking.

I wouldn't know what a joking expression looks like on Tara. Can somebody, anybody help me with this?

 

[j66kicker]

I wouldn't know what a joking expression looks like on Tara. Can somebody, anybody help me with this?

I think whenever she gets this look...

...then you know she's joking.... (?)

 

[UcMiami]

Thanks. Boy, you take a day or so to catch up on other things, and details and developments fly out of the wood work!
Yeah, I saw from your entry about the post from California committing to Cardinal Post and Center U in Louisville and thought it might effectively put them at/near the limit.

Regarding Ms. White, we're pretty sure she's been on ND's campus a few weeks back -- I wonder if the experiences and expectations she's had since her HS recruitment now match up well with ND, Muffet and her staff. MM is becoming even more particular about whom she wants in her program and don't think she's going to pull the trigger unless the match is a sound one for all concerned. From a strictly talent and contribution level, I can see it working, for sure. But the devil's in the details....we'll see.

On the other hand, I wonder where else might be on Ms. White's itinerary...the only other ACC school that might fit her criteria -- the Seminoles don't have an army of posts coming back and the culture is used to players coming from a variety of sources (regular recruiting, transfers, international schools, combinations thereof) so it's pretty inclusive (not meant that other places are not). White's dad also mentioned some Big 12 schools as an option, but have not heard or seen anything. Maybe things will pick up after finals, which she should be taking soon....But if the goal is to register for summer school as he also said, this decision will not be that far in the future.

Interesting - generally if there is a good fit from both sides on a campus visit with a transfer there is a pretty rapid announcement - both parties are better informed about the process and what they want than with HS juniors. The start of the process of finding a new school may get delayed by academic stuff (exams) or by finding which schools would be interested, but once the visit is made ...

Between Louisville and Baylor there are going to be some huge teams over the next three - four years. They both seem to be in an arms race to see how many posts and forwards they can get onto their rosters. I do find it a little odd that kids seem to 'clump' themselves on certain teams. TN used to be post player city in the old days, but there were so few really strong options back then for them to choose from. Baylor now has three top 2o ish post players in a two year window on a team returning a AA quality 4 and another good forward. With wings and guards you can always go 'small' and play four at a time very effectively - few teams succeed in going 'big' and deploying even three players that want to play within 10-15 feet of the basket - it just gets to clogged up.

 

[Dillon77]

Interesting - generally if there is a good fit from both sides on a campus visit with a transfer there is a pretty rapid announcement - both parties are better informed about the process and what they want than with HS juniors. The start of the process of finding a new school may get delayed by academic stuff (exams) or by finding which schools would be interested, but once the visit is made ...

Between Louisville and Baylor there are going to be some huge teams over the next three - four years. They both seem to be in an arms race to see how many posts and forwards they can get onto their rosters. I do find it a little odd that kids seem to 'clump' themselves on certain teams. TN used to be post player city in the old days, but there were so few really strong options back then for them to choose from. Baylor now has three top 2o ish post players in a two year window on a team returning a AA quality 4 and another good forward. With wings and guards you can always go 'small' and play four at a time very effectively - few teams succeed in going 'big' and deploying even three players that want to play within 10-15 feet of the basket - it just gets to clogged up.

Regarding the visits: The Whites seemed to plan/take two trips almost immediately -- ND and then Louisville. Then the academic stuff hit. I cannot recall taking in a transfer to ND in quite some time (Orangutan, 'Choke, please correct me if I'm wrong), but your logic seems right and parallel to NFL free-agent signings...get 'em at the tail end or just after the visits.
But the Whites said they had a few schools to visit...just don't know how many more of those there are that fit the criteria of being successful in the NCAA year-in, year-out. But my "we'll see," your "interesting" and someone's "hmmm" makes one wonder if this particular match-up was a "looks good on paper/tape, maybe not in person." Maybe there are a few more trips and then a decision will be made. Guess we'll all see/hear soon enough. As a fan, I'm trying to keep level on this one, since she wouldn't be available until 2017-18 anyways and MM & co. are in pursuit of a number of Class of 2017 bigs/forwards. (Plus, I'm pretty excited about Erin Boley joining Brianna Tuner and Kat Westbeld next year...)

Completely with you on trying to make a way to fit all the bigs on the court. One other tough thing for a huge team..can they cover the court defensively against a team with quick ball movement, accurate long shooting and moves to the basket?
Not that we wanted to go a whole season with one center, but it was enthralling to watch ND's four guard approach with Kat Westbeld (really a forward) earlier in the season. With Brianna Turner back in post, it worked well against certain teams. Rather than draft a big for big's sake, I like the approach of getting a "stretch 4" like Erin Boley who seems to have the aptitude for hitting the boards. Not that 6'2" is small......

 

[Checkmate]

If a coach leaves a school, does that impact the transfer's eligibility ?

Natalie Romeo is definitely leaving Nebraska . And says there is no merit to the allegations against Yori.

 

[UcMiami]

If a coach leaves a school, does that impact the transfer's eligibility ?

Natalie Romeo is definitely leaving Nebraska . And says there is no merit to the allegations against Yori.

Nope = it is only in exceptional circumstances that a player can petition the NCAA to remove the one year transfer - and it is hit or miss with them. In truly extraordinary cases typically where the NCAA puts a post season ban on a school (or worse) part of the penalty involved is usually a free transfer for all scholarship players on the banned team - happened at PSU and at Uconn.

 

[Vowelguy]

Frosh Lakaris Salter transferring from Miss St.

 

[SCGamecock]

Frosh Lakaris Salter transferring from Miss St.

Along with Kayla Nevitt, and both are rising Juniors.. so they have two more years to play.

 

[HuskyFan1125]

Looks like Chatrice White is headed to the ACC alright but it won't be ND....

 

[MarieYLee]

Interesting. Though I suppose if she went to ND, she would likely play behind Turner for a year and will only start for a year. At FSU, she would likely be a 2 year starter.

 

[Dillon77]

Interesting. Though I suppose if she went to ND, she would likely play behind Turner for a year and will only start for a year. At FSU, she would likely be a 2 year starter.

Sigh....

Chatrice White apparently visited ND not too long after she announced her transfer from Illinois. She then went to visit Louisville. On the ND board, we had some give and take at that time and it got me thinking of her criteria of "ACC Schools that got 'deep' into the tourney" and we thought of Florida State, Louisville and ND (eliminated Duke because of the McCallie investigation). Here's what I researched/wrote about FSU at the time, for what it's worth....

FLORIDA STATE

Returning Bigs, Incoming Frosh Bigs

- Maria Conde, 6'1" forward from Spain, who would be a junior in 2017.
- Ama Degbeon, 6'2" center/forward, who would be a senior
- Jasmine Walker, incoming 6'3" post, who would be a soph in 2017-18
- Iho Lopez, 6'2" post who played on Spanish national teams via IMG, would also be a soph.

Point of reference: FSU has traditionally accepted transfers and international students so there's a "melting pot" atmosphere there, that seems to work.

Thoughts:

- This could work for both sides.
- Walker is a Gatorade player of the year from Alabama and is more of traditional low-post player, both on offense and defense.
- White can add her size and skills on defense but float out on offense.
- Conde is much more of a "stretch" forward and was not very physical so they would complement each other.

ENDING THOUGHT -- I have no idea what Chatrice White is looking for outside of what she's stated. If FSU, the 'ville or other schools knock her off her chair, go for it. From a hoops standpoint -- if she wants PT and focal point, FSU (if she's considering) could be a good fit. If she wants to play in a great team-oriented offense that could allow her to do well and get her good post coaching (hello, Carol Owens), perhaps think Irish.

That said, we'll see...."

As of May 11th
So apparently, it was not a good fit for one or both of the parties involved (ND, Whites)....there was a hint of that when se left ND and didn't sign (the old NFL Free Agent maxim...don't let 'em out of the building) She wouldn't have played until fall of 2017, so let's see how ND does with the incoming frosh for that year.

In the meantime, go Brianna, Kat, Erin, Coco and Diamond. That's our hand for 2016-2017.

And good luck to Chatrice White at FSU. Hope it works out.