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Titanic Submarine

temery said:
Just heard on the radio that there's a chance they dropped weight and floated to the surface. Nice option, but not too useful without the ability to shoot a flare, or somehow say where they are.

Previously mentioned: it's sealed/bolted from the outside. How difficult would it have been to bolt it closed from the inside?
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Not difficult at all, but..........

At some point, doesn't part of the vessel have to be sealed from the outside? Otherwise wouldn't some poor, lower level worker who has to tighten the last panel be stuck inside?
 
Chin Diesel said:
It's good practice for the Coast Guard, and Navy for US and Canada.

Normally, I'd be all for sending a bill to the company to recover costs but as I said earlier in this thread I don’t think there are too many assets to go after.
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Practice for what?? The next group of idiots going down to 13k feet. I think that ship has sailed
 
Kolumbo said:
This is an odd take. These are billionaire thrill seekers and most likely very smart people. I am certain they know and accept the risks and dangers, which is kind of the point in doing some of the thrill-seeking stuff they do. I always hope for the best in these situations but I can't blame anyone other than the thrill-seekers.

I have to believe they have the technology to locate a sub, but I'm no Ramius.
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Disagree. They can be thrill seekers and still use equipment which is well-made. Actually, more than others, they have the disposable income to make sure they only do it in well-made equipment.

Surfing the mega waves off the coast of Portugal is awesome. Doing it on a piece of cut up plywood is stupid. Being a thrill seeker and using good equipment are mutually exclusive.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Disagree. They can be thrill seekers and still use equipment which is well-made. Actually, more than others, they have the disposable income to make sure they only do it in well-made equipment.

Surfing the mega waves off the coast of Portugal is awesome. Doing it on a piece of cut up plywood is stupid. Being a thrill seeker and using good equipment are mutually exclusive.
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Disagree with what?
 
temery said:
Just heard on the radio that there's a chance they dropped weight and floated to the surface. Nice option, but not too useful without the ability to shoot a flare, or somehow say where they are.

Previously mentioned: it's sealed/bolted from the outside. How difficult would it have been to bolt it closed from the inside?
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It’s 5 inches thick. By bolting it from the outside pressure forces the water seal tighter as u go. deeper. Doing it from the inside relies on the screws…and the pressure is making the seals less water tight

You’re talking about 350 atmospheres/5100 psi
 
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temery said:
Just heard on the radio that there's a chance they dropped weight and floated to the surface. Nice option, but not too useful without the ability to shoot a flare, or somehow say where they are.

Previously mentioned: it's sealed/bolted from the outside. How difficult would it have been to bolt it closed from the inside?
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It's a pretty tight space in there and my guess is that this would require either a rather large manual or pneumatic torque wrench. I'm not sure you'd be able to have some safely seal the bolts from inside as it was designed. But certainly the design should have taken this situation into account and at a minimum had a fail-safe to get oxygen in if the end up surfacing in it.
 
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NJHusky said:
Practice for what?? The next group of idiots going down to 13k feet. I think that ship has sailed
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Practice for all sorts of marine and open-water rescues. Using different sonar techniques as far as fielding it as a grid. Interagency cooperation and working alongside allies. Pilots and aircrew honing their crew communications and skills. Testing out newer equipment to see what it can do.

Plenty of stuff to work on while still providing a humanitarian rescue effort.
 
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. These people signed waivers that acknowledge that they might die and that oceangate is not liable. Whelp it is unfortunate, but the coin flip landed on the wrong side for them this time.
 
Kolumbo said:
Disagree with what?
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That they have to accept risks and dangers to get their thrill. Accept some but mitigate and eliminate whenever possible.
 
UCfor3 said:
More penny pinching bordering on criminal than design flaw. Seems like an underwater submersible is not the thing to cheap out on and cut corners. To the people saying they would go to the moon...yeah, maybe as a ride-along with NASA or something. Not in some tin can like this made by some huckster in his garage. Feel awful for the people involved. If they are still alive they must be terrified. I musy say though. All the money in the world didn't buy them any common sense. This whole venture seems beyond reckless. Hope there is an 11th hour miracle possible for everyone involved.
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This isn't much different than what Elon Musk is doing with SpaceX.

Also a little ironic that Elon Musk's Starlink Satellite com system is what this sub used for all it's comms. And it seems the comms failed less than 2 hours into the trip.

Humans want to explore. People die exploring different frontiers. It's a choice and a a personal risk assessment. Just like anything else.
 
NJHusky said:
It’s 5 inches thick. By bolting it from the outside pressure forces the water seal tighter as u go. deeper. Doing it from the inside relies on the screws…and the pressure is making the seals less water tight
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NJHusky said:
It’s 5 inches thick. By bolting it from the outside pressure forces the water seal tighter as u go. deeper. Doing it from the inside relies on the screws…and the pressure is making the seals less water tight

You’re talking about 350 atmospheres/5100 psi
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I don't think that matters - pressure is pressure and no matter where it's bolted, it's working to seal it tighter.

I think it's just easier to seal it from the outside.
 
Chin Diesel said:
That they have to accept risks and dangers to get their thrill. Accept some but mitigate and eliminate whenever possible.
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What? Of course they have to accept the risks and dangers, which they clearly did by signing up for the trip.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Disagree. They can be thrill seekers and still use equipment which is well-made. Actually, more than others, they have the disposable income to make sure they only do it in well-made equipment.

Surfing the mega waves off the coast of Portugal is awesome. Doing it on a piece of cut up plywood is stupid. Being a thrill seeker and using good equipment are mutually exclusive.
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Yup, but they made the decision to do it anyway. This is unfettered capitalism at its finest. Someone offered a product/trip and was first to market. Maybe they cut corners on things to do so, but this is a perfect example of caveat emptor. The buyers wanted to be first as part of their thrill and chose not to wait for a competitor to do it better.
 
August_West said:
This isn't much different than what Elon Musk is doing with SpaceX.

Also a little ironic that Elon Musk's Starlink Satellite com system is what this sub used for all it's comms. And it seems the comms failed less than 2 hours into the trip.

Humans want to explore. People die exploring different frontiers. It's a choice and a a personal risk assessment. Just like anything else.
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The sub doesn't use Starlink, goober - it's under water.

The ship uses it for internet, not for communicating with the sub.
 
August_West said:
This isn't much different than what Elon Musk is doing with SpaceX.

Also a little ironic that Elon Musk's Starlink Satellite com system is what this sub used for all it's comms. And it seems the comms failed less than 2 hours into the trip.

Humans want to explore. People die exploring different frontiers. It's a choice and a a personal risk assessment. Just like anything else.
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I wouldn't compare this to SpaceX. I wouldn't call this exploring either. The Titanic has already been explored. This was a joyride for rich people to get a thrill and a story to share with other rich people at cocktail parties. Exploring would be for the purpose of breaking new scientific ground and breaking boundries and making new discoveries. This was a for profit money grab for rich tourists.
 
August_West said:
This isn't much different than what Elon Musk is doing with SpaceX.
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The owner has been described as "more Musk than Cousteau." Why would anyone trust him?
 
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Fishy said:
The sub doesn't use Starlink, goober - it's under water.

The ship uses it for internet, not for communicating with the sub.
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sure thing chumlee. If they both want to credit it for the subs success, they get the other side too.
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I don't know when the Statue of Liberty sunk but his is a cool graphic. No way in heck I would venture that much deeper than our best world class subs have the ability to go. Titanic is at 3,700 meters.

 
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It’s not a huge surprise, but just read how they would have to save the sub and the process is daunting.

First, they have to find it. A French submersible would have to go down to it, figure how to affix some kind of tether to it and then a particular Navy doohickey would reel it up. Minimum time needed is around 24 hours with the French sub not even expected to arrive until tonight.

I think all of this should convince all of us not to take rides on a homemade sub.
 
Kathy said:
Time is running out. Even if they locate it - how do they bring it up with so few hours of oxygen left?
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Also, I heard on the news that if it did actually surface, there would be no way for the passengers to open the hatch because it was bolted down from the OUTSIDE and no emergency access to outside air! Can you imagine agreeing to being sealed in like that?
 
"On what compels someone to take a journey on the Titan — despite the dangers

These dives take place in international waters. So there is no governing body. And I will tell you that when we boarded the surface vessel, we signed waivers that would curl your toes. I mean, it was basically a list of eight paragraphs describing ways that you could be permanently disabled or killed.

So this is not a tourist company or an airline, you know, for the masses. This is for rich adrenaline junkie adventurers who thrive on the risk. It's a lifestyle that not all of us may be able to identify with. But for them, you know, the risk is the life."

 
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