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Titanic Submarine

Do this exercise:
  • put a single grain of salt on the floor, in the biggest/tallest room in your house.
  • Now, imagine the floor is the seabed, and the ceiling height represents about 1/5 of the way up to the ocean surface.
  • The grain of salt is the submersible, and the walls of your room, are actually miles away from you (seashores).
  • the air/space around you, is all OCEAN. Vast, pitch dark, dangerously freezing, mostly empty save a few whales/squid/ghoulish deep sea creaters... ocean.
This is a ROUGH-ISH scale of what they're dealing with. absolutely horrifying.
 
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The more I hear about this the more it freaks me out. If it didn't breach it's potentially impossible to find, no lights or power. Hoping they float up and are found or that the worst is over. Something I'd never do for love or money.
 
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People might think I'm kidding, but I'd imagine one of the problems with being a billionaire is that you run out ways to thrill yourself after a while.

Regardless, the thought of any human being dying that way is deeply unsettling, and as much as I want to see the humor in it, I just can't. The thought of the passengers making banging noises from the ocean floor invokes memories of people waving towels from the top of the WTC - just completely helpless.
 
Fishy said:
That’s not how they sell it in the pamphlet.
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But once you write the check they apparently have the adventure seeker sign a (very likely worthless) waiver with a list of all the ways they might die on the trip.
 
temery said:
But once you write the check they apparently have the adventure seeker sign a (very likely worthless) waiver with a list of all the ways they might die on the trip.
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It’s been a few years, but I used to run a trail race called the Escarpment Run in the Catskills. The race application and waiver mentioned bees, bears, porcupines, lightning, dying of thirst and running off the side of a cliff as potential hazards and promised that you’d be bleeding from somewhere by the end.

(Bleeding happened, but in two of the four years I did it, I really thought I was going to be killed by lightning.)
 
temery said:
But once you write the check they apparently have the adventure seeker sign a (very likely worthless) waiver with a list of all the ways they might die on the trip.
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Are you waivering your right to die or your heirs' right to sue after you die?
Something tells me there isn’t a lot of money to go after with this company.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Are you waivering your right to die or your heirs' right to sue after you die?
Something tells me there isn’t a lot of money to go after with this company.
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Book and movie rights including full access to all workers, research notes, business records, email, etc.

This will be a movie by 2025.
 
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The crew searching for the missing sub heard banging sounds every 30 minutes on Tuesday and again four hours later, after additional sonar devices were deployed.
 
jleves said:
I would imagine (without looking it up) that far more people die on ski slopes than in submersibles. Yeah, a lot more people ski - just saying - you can die anywhere doing anything.
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There's also millions of people skiing every year. There are not millions of people going to -12,000 feet in a privately owned submarine.
 
Zissou said:
The crew searching for the missing sub heard banging sounds every 30 minutes on Tuesday and again four hours later, after additional sonar devices were deployed.
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Time is running out. Even if they locate it - how do they bring it up with so few hours of oxygen left?
 
temery said:
I had to google it. Only 50 people a year die skiing. I personally knew two people who died skiing. 50 sounds way too low.
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Are these serious skier types or weekend hobbyists? (Just curious)
 
Scrutiner said:
There is some mystery here and very little transparency.

I read a story this morning about a UK rescue sub that's waiting in the Guernsey Islands ready to be flown to Newfoundland to assist but supposedly the US government hasn't given the go ahead as they'd rather use a US sub.
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Well it appears they might be alive so it looks like the government will have to explain this decision if it is true.
 
AP article about purported flaws in the design

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metsfan2323 said:
Well it appears they might be alive so it looks like the government will have to explain this decision if it is true.
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A bunch of super-rich thrill seekers want to go to the bottom of one of the deepest, coldest oceans in the world, and their families are going to try to blame someone else if it goes wrong?

This rescue mission in that ocean is not without risk. When these people put themselves in danger, they are also putting others in danger.
 
CL82 said:
AP article about purported flaws in the design

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More penny pinching bordering on criminal than design flaw. Seems like an underwater submersible is not the thing to cheap out on and cut corners. To the people saying they would go to the moon...yeah, maybe as a ride-along with NASA or something. Not in some tin can like this made by some huckster in his garage. Feel awful for the people involved. If they are still alive they must be terrified. I musy say though. All the money in the world didn't buy them any common sense. This whole venture seems beyond reckless. Hope there is an 11th hour miracle possible for everyone involved.
 
UCfor3 said:
. I musy say though. All the money in the world didn't buy them any common sense. This whole venture seems beyond reckless. Hope there is an 11th hour miracle possible for everyone involved.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
UCfor3 said:
More penny pinching bordering on criminal than design flaw. Seems like an underwater submersible is not the thing to cheap out on and cut corners. To the people saying they would go to the moon...yeah, maybe as a ride-along with NASA or something. Not in some tin can like this made by some huckster in his garage. Feel awful for the people involved. If they are still alive they must be terrified. I musy say though. All the money in the world didn't buy them any common sense. This whole venture seems beyond reckless. Hope there is an 11th hour miracle possible for everyone involved.
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Yeah it’s terrifying if they are still alive. I couldn’t even imagine.

But I also can’t believe that these apparently smart people saw that sub and got in it. No approval from any regulatory board, no third party testing. Public knowledge of concerns in the design process & depth ratings…

Developing a legit sub to go down to those depths “safely” costs ~$50 million. No way this company spent anywhere near that…
 
nelsonmuntz said:
A bunch of super-rich thrill seekers want to go to the bottom of one of the deepest, coldest oceans in the world, and their families are going to try to blame someone else if it goes wrong?

This rescue mission in that ocean is not without risk. When these people put themselves in danger, they are also putting others in danger.
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I actually agree with this take. You should vacate your right to a rescue doing something as idiotic as this. The amount of money, hours, and resources used to perform this rescue mission is insane.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
I actually agree with this take. You should vacate your right to a rescue doing something as idiotic as this. The amount of money, hours, and resources used to perform this rescue mission is insane.
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It's good practice for the Coast Guard, and Navy for US and Canada.

Normally, I'd be all for sending a bill to the company to recover costs but as I said earlier in this thread I don’t think there are too many assets to go after.
 
Why in the world would you you tempt the supernatural in this way? There must be so many evil spirits at the wreckage site. Hundreds buried and trapped alive. And these people want to view this for their own entertainment? That is crazy.
 
The BBC was onboard last year to film a documentary of the dive and apparently OceanGate installed a few of the thrusters (to move around the bottom) backwards. So they got stuck in place. The amount of incompetence displayed by this company is mind-boggling.

Here is the 2 part documentary (thruster issue is part 2 at 7:30): rms titanic
 
Just heard on the radio that there's a chance they dropped weight and floated to the surface. Nice option, but not too useful without the ability to shoot a flare, or somehow say where they are.

Previously mentioned: it's sealed/bolted from the outside. How difficult would it have been to bolt it closed from the inside?
 
temery said:
Just heard on the radio that there's a chance they dropped weight and floated to the surface. Nice option, but not too useful without the ability to shoot a flare, or somehow say where they are.

Previously mentioned: it's sealed/bolted from the outside. How difficult would it have been to bolt it closed from the inside?
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Especially because with the pressure, it would be impossible to open at depths (so no risk of accidental opening from inside). Seems like it would have been a common sense safety feature in the event of a resurface without comms.
 
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