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The Question which won’t go away

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businesslawyer said:
Why do you expect players who are in their first year of being coached by college coaches to have the "coached technique" of players who have had three to five years of being coached by college coaches? Is every other college coach so bad that they don't impart material value on technique after they have had a player for a few months?

It would be great if you'd stop sounding like an idiot on this. Crocker may or may not be back for season 3, but the decision will be made based on whether Edsall feels he's doing a good enough job -- not just because you are frustrated that we don't have enough experienced defensive talent on the roster.
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Quite frankly, I don’t see how the below is a post of an “idiot”. Is it unreasonable for a Freshman Defensive Lineman, who has seen significant playing time, by the 4th game of the season to go low for leverage at the goal line? What I saw was Travis Jones standing up and being turned around? I am not taking about perfecting technique, more a general direction. Quite frankly, it does make me worry but I did say the youth argument was “reasonable” but Chief’s was personally skeptical based on things like that.

Chief’s Post:
“Personally, my gut tells me it’s more than just youth. For reasons, discussed in various previous threads, I am skeptical on Crocker. But, it’s a reasonable argument and there will be improvement - the question is how much?
My concern is not only guys being in the wrong place or being too slow or weak. It’s an absence of good coached technique.”
 
Randy's full statement was just published (someone with better skills please post it). It's pure Mike Gundy, "I'm a man" style stuff and it ends with him saying that if you don't like what he's doing, then tough .

Internet posters of the world, you going to take that lying down? The coach doesn't care about your opinion on his defensive coordinator? LOL.
 
The question itself was fair and should be asked.

Where the surprise is is the national media storm that G5 UConn has created once again. Just like pulling Logan Marchi's scholarship and the Kevin Ollie buyout, UConn sure does seem to find itself in the national news quite frequently. And people still continue to doubt that UConn is not a P5 caliber school/AD brand.
 
Chief00 said:
Quite frankly, I don’t see how the below is a post of an “idiot”. Is it unreasonable for a Freshman Defensive Lineman, who has seen significant playing time, by the 4th game of the season to go low for leverage at the goal line? What I saw was Travis Jones standing up and being turned around? I am not taking about perfecting technique, more a general direction. Quite frankly, it does make me worry but I did say the youth argument was “reasonable” but Chief’s was personally skeptical based on things like that.

Chief’s Post:
“Personally, my gut tells me it’s more than just youth. For reasons, discussed in various previous threads, I am skeptical on Crocker. But, it’s a reasonable argument and there will be improvement - the question is how much?
My concern is not only guys being in the wrong place or being too slow or weak. It’s an absence of good coached technique.”
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So what you’re saying is the D Line coach taught him to stand up and get turned around in that situation? Or is it more plausible that he has been taught just like every other position player but because they’re inexperienced they haven’t developed the proper habits to do it right most of the time.
Is why most freshmen in college football make all of these mistakes off the field during their red shirt year IN PRACTICE.
Unfortunately we’re getting to see these mistakes live.
Remember, redshirt freshmen have the benefit of two summer camps, two fall camps, one spring camp and an entire season of scout work before they even hit the field.
Our true freshmen have only one summer and one fall
I’m shocked you can’t see that
 
We canned Pasqualoni after 4 games and, eventually, circled the dogsleds to win our last 3 games that year. That team was staring at 0-12 if Pasqualoni (and GDL) had stayed for a full season.
 
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HCRE2.0 is an older version of 1.0. Take the good with the bad. Don't expect him all of a sudden to determine quality of coaching/schemes/whoplayswhere has as much a chance of needing improvement as eye discipline.
Solid play by offense and improvement by defense is good for me. Win few more games this year is lot on talent, win one or no more games this year is lot on coaching.
 
JMick said:
Are you really? It's clear that chief has a personal grudge
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Guess you’re right.
It’s just bizarre man
Of course the losing sucks but can’t we just take this season with the grain of salt that we should and be patient for next season and behind?
Rebuilds happen all the time- especially in baseball. Given where this program was left off, we should be thrilled that we have so many young guys getting valuable reps. You can tell as you watch that a lot of these guys have potential. Again, the owness is on the players and coaching staff to put in the work during the off season.
I’m enjoying this season right now but I’m certainly looking forward to next spring to see how much they’ve grown physically.
That will tell the tale for me
Their weight, speed and how much they’re lifting will say it all.
I have faith
 
Dooley said:
The question itself was fair and should be asked.

Where the surprise is is the national media storm that G5 UConn has created once again. Just like pulling Logan Marchi's scholarship and the Kevin Ollie buyout, UConn sure does seem to find itself in the national news quite frequently. And people still continue to doubt that UConn is not a P5 caliber school/AD brand.
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Unfortunately everyone is laughing at our misfortunes.
 
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CTMike said:
Unfortunately everyone is laughing at our misfortunes.
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They are. But the point is still valid - I'm not sure if there is any other 1 win G5 school/AD that generates as much national headlines as UConn. When UConn wins again, and we will, those headlines and all of the laughing at us will take a different tone.
 
No one is going anywhere. They just sat a RJr and a grad student in favor of even more freshmen to build for next year and the year after. Don't know what kind of recruiter he is, but Crocker appears to be a good teacher. Just let the year play out. Two more W's coming by the end of the season. Probably just not on this Saturday. Tulsa and some other school not named Cincinnati, USF, or UMass.
 
Chief00 said:
Quite frankly, I don’t see how the below is a post of an “idiot”. Is it unreasonable for a Freshman Defensive Lineman, who has seen significant playing time, by the 4th game of the season to go low for leverage at the goal line? What I saw was Travis Jones standing up and being turned around? I am not taking about perfecting technique, more a general direction. Quite frankly, it does make me worry but I did say the youth argument was “reasonable” but Chief’s was personally skeptical based on things like that.

Chief’s Post:
“Personally, my gut tells me it’s more than just youth. For reasons, discussed in various previous threads, I am skeptical on Crocker. But, it’s a reasonable argument and there will be improvement - the question is how much?
My concern is not only guys being in the wrong place or being too slow or weak. It’s an absence of good coached technique.”
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It takes awhile to sink in that your not the biggest or strongest guy on the field as you were in HS. Bigness overcomes bad technique in HS. Crocker came from a successful d. Good chance he taught technique that made it successful.
 
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noeynox said:
A Randy created controversy. Answer however you want and don't storm off like a school girl and it's not news today.
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Probably right.
 
Hornet22 said:
So what you’re saying is the D Line coach taught him to stand up and get turned around in that situation? Or is it more plausible that he has been taught just like every other position player but because they’re inexperienced they haven’t developed the proper habits to do it right most of the time.
Is why most freshmen in college football make all of these mistakes off the field during their red shirt year IN PRACTICE.
Unfortunately we’re getting to see these mistakes live.
Remember, redshirt freshmen have the benefit of two summer camps, two fall camps, one spring camp and an entire season of scout work before they even hit the field.
Our true freshmen have only one summer and one fall
I’m shocked you can’t see that
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LOL hopefully not teaching him to be upright at goalline - but the DL position coach as part of the DC coaching team - SHOULD have taugh him to get low and get penetration. This is not an isolated play - this has been what Chief’s trained eye has observed.
 
Chief00 said:
LOL hopefully not teaching him to be upright at goalline - but the DL position coach as part of the DC coaching team - SHOULD have taugh him to get low and get penetration. This is not an isolated play - this has been what Chief’s trained eye has observed.
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The assumption that the entire defensive staff doesn’t know how to teach basic technique is patently dumb.
 
Chief00 said:
Serious question- What am I missing? Fuller addressed the question to the Head Coach - not an assistant or player.
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Also he doesn't have the ability to fire you. Just to ask the question, which he did. You're the one that walked away .
 
noeynox said:
I wonder what gave it away that it is a big business? It couldn't be the 7 figure head coaching salaries?

Everyone knows we are young. Everyone also see we are like in record setting pace for worst defense ever. I can't imagine how hard it is to cover the team and try to find positives every week.
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The $1.8M potential game with TN is yet another sign it’s “big business”.
Last year we played a $1M game to either pay Edsall or payoff Diaco - however you want to look at it.
Why is my good friend Randy shocked by this?
 
CTMike said:
The assumption that the entire defensive staff doesn’t know how to teach basic technique is patently dumb.
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What I am saying is in this case it obviously has not been effectively taugh and communicated - based on Chief’s eye test. Teaching something and checking off a box is not enough -the teaching has to be done in an effective way. Does not need to be perfect and it takes awhile to perfect technique. But no attempt to even try to use it is a problem and it’s not because the kid is an issue - trust Chief on that. Jones is coachable and wants to do well. He’s also got the strength and talent.
 
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CTMike said:
The assumption that the entire defensive staff doesn’t know how to teach basic technique is patently dumb.
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Hell, even PP knew how to coach basic techniques. It's likely that even Diaco could. That doesn't mean that the players instinctively play that way 4 games in.

I'd say the question is premature. We've played 3 explosive offenses and one good FCS offense. We play a team of very, very young guys. We've coughed up the ball too often as well. Our system, new last year, was tweaked this year and so is still new. If we look the same in the second half of the season, something may need to be done after the season.

I want to see us hold Cincinnati under 40. Not sure we can, but I would consider that real progress.
 
Chief00 said:
What I am saying is in this case it obviously has not been effectively taugh and communicated
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No, this is an assumption that you keep repeating. It could easily be well taught and communicated but break down during game scenarios for a number of reasons. You are assuming the entire coaching staff can’t teach and that’s a dumb assumption.
 
Chief00 said:
Jones is coachable and wants to do well. He’s also got the strength and talent.
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No one disputes the heart or raw ingredients. What he doesn’t have is the experience and development that a Rs. Jr. or Senior would have.
 
Chief00 said:
LOL hopefully not teaching him to be upright at goalline - but the DL position coach as part of the DC coaching team - SHOULD have taugh him to get low and get penetration. This is not an isolated play - this has been what Chief’s trained eye has observed.
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Smh
Clearly you didn’t read my post.
They are getting coached- each and every day. There are guys on our coaching staff that have legit NFL experience either coaching or playing.
Young kids take a while to develop consistency.
But the reality is, football across all levels have players that blow assignments, fail to get low and miss tackles.
Receivers drop balls, miss blocks, etc.
it happens.
But when you’re as young as us, it happens more frequently.
It’s like blind leading the blind out there. We don’t have veteran leaders to mask some of these mistakes that tend to happen during a game.
Corner gets beat and safety comes over and makes an outstanding play- you’re talking about the safety and not as much about that corner on the play.
Lineman can’t get off a block but LB gap fits and blows a play up for no gain. You’re not talking about that lineman as much as the great run fit by the LB
 
CTMike said:
No, this is an assumption that you keep repeating. It could easily be well taught and communicated but break down during game scenarios for a number of reasons. You are assuming the entire coaching staff can’t teach and that’s a dumb assumption.
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It’s not one or a few breakdowns - news flash - we have the absolute worse defense in the country. And it’s pretty much a two year trend.
 
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