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Deepster said:
Vrabel makes total sense for the Pats. I'd be happy if I were a fan.

Glass half full - He's a legacy. He can help continue a bridge between past success and future development. Smart guy, X and O wise, good leader.

Glass half empty - Failed at Tennessee. 7-10, 6-11 his last 2 years. Went without a HC job for over a year maybe for a reason? Pats seem stuck on hiring old players instead of injecting new blood.
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9-7, 9-7, 11-5, 12-5 before that, with pedestrian NFL QBs in Mariota and Tannehill.

I don't think he was fired for performance. Reports were his relationship with Amy Adams Strunk, Titans principle owner, went south. He wanted more control over player personnel and didn't think Ran Carthon was ready to be a GM (Was he right? Carthon was fired last week), He also spent the Titan's 2023 bye weekend in Foxborough, as an inductee to the Patriots' Hall of Fame.

Adams Strunk took exception to his acceptance speech and now she has to find a new GM for a franchise in possession of the #1 overall pick, "earned" on merit.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
OK…they interviewed Jeff Ulbrich…why? I get courtesy interviews…but this is beyond courtesy. I wouldn’t want him back as DC let alone HC. After Saleh left, that defense was not the same. Ulbrich also showed he is a players coach to a fault. He said Reddick was one of the more “selfless players”? Really? They guy who held out…showed up out of shape.

Anyway…Graziano of ESPN predicts Arthur Smith. I don’t mind that idea..if they feel Smith can work with Fields and hire a competent DC. Maybe Smith learned from his time in Atlanta how to lead.

I still like Liam Coen.
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Arthur Smith? Ugggggggh. Everything about him reeks of 7-10. This franchise is going to be the end of me.
 
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Deepster said:
Arthur Smith? Ugggggggh. Everything about him reeks of 7-10. This franchise is going to be the end of me.
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I honestly thought that would be a pretty good get. I suppose you can see if Liam Coen or Joe Brady would come, but who else are they getting? Ben Johnson isn't taking that job.

Aaron Glenn would be really good, but I think he'd choose a different opening. Joe Brady, Flores, Coen, Jacobs. Maybe give Spagnuolo another shot. If you're lucky, Dallas does something dumb like hiring Deion.

Seven openings. Cowboys, Bears, Jags, Raiders, Saints, Giants, Jets.
 
Deepster said:
Arthur Smith? Ugggggggh. Everything about him reeks of 7-10. This franchise is going to be the end of me.
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I guess I was sold on Smith because he made chicken salad out of chicken poop in Pittsburgh. Also…I do like the idea of an offensive minded coach.

What do you think of Liam Coen?

Who is your preference at this point? Are you still a Rex guy?
 
I don’t think Rex was ever my top choice but I would have rallied behind him if he got it because I do think he loves the franchise. I don’t think he has a shot in hell now and that’s fine.

Liam Coen is interesting. I wouldn’t complain about Aaron Glenn. No one has me optimistic or happy.
 
So…I had my Zoom interview yesterday for the HC. I think I did well but I think they are going in a different direction. I think my downfall was telling Woody to sell the team.

Speaking of which…apparently the only HC and GM who got a second interview so far are Glenn and GM Lance Newmark. I guess Newmark has a history with Glenn in Detriot. I like the idea of a HC and GM combo who have famiiarity. And Glenn was a great Jet who has a lot of respect in the league.

I still would prefer an offensive minded coach, but I think Glenn is worth a shot,
 
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LOL. That's too bad. I think "Coach Shaky" has a very Jets ring to it.

Here is the current list. 16 interviews between 1/2 and 1/19. It's such a blur of "kinda promising" coordinators and old retreads, I don't even care at this point. Aaron Glenn is fine. Todd Bowles v2.0.

Head Coach​

January 2
Jets complete interview with Ron Rivera.
January 3
Jets complete interview with Mike Vrabel
January 7
Jets complete interview with Rex Ryan
January 8
Jets complete interview with Matt Nagy.
January 9
Jets complete interview with Aaron Glenn.
January 10
Jets complete interview with Mike Locksley.
Jets complete interview with Steve Spagnuolo.
January 11
Jets complete interview with Darren Rizzi.
January 13
Jets complete interview with Jeff Ulbrich.
January 15
Jets complete interview with Vance Joseph.
January 16
Jets complete interview with Arthur Smith.
Jets complete interview with Bobby Slowik.
January 17
Jets complete interview with Brian Flores.
Jets complete interview with Jeff Hafley.
Jets complete interview with Josh McCown.
January 19
Jets complete interview with Joe Whitt Jr.
 
Just to recap, here is Shaky's first post in this thread last March. All fair and valid points at the time. They got the WR help. The OL was okay. The defense was NOT stellar, especially post-Saleh. It really came down to Rodgers underperforming and a poorly coached unit on both sides of the ball.

This has been a bad offseason after a bad on-season.

In summary…

  • The star quarterback…after saying the Jets need to stop with the BS…decided to start a fued with a talk show host.
  • The Athletic published a report about team dysfuntion and their paranoid head coach
  • Free Agent signing Mecole Hardman went on to the win the Super bowl (literally) and bad mouth the culture of the team.
  • The owner of the team publicly declared that the GM and coaches need to win this year and that the team had no backup qb last year.
  • #2 draft pick Zach WIlson (the 2023 backup qb) will either be released or traded for a day 3 draft pick.
  • 2023 sack leader heads to free agency and will likely sign elsewhere due to a lack of cap room
  • misc front office personnel and coaching staff have left the team for other organizations,

So…vibes are not good heading into this season. While I dislike Rodgers as a person…he does seem determined to prove that he still has some gas left in the tank. As long as Rodgers is healthy and playing, the team has a chance to make the playoffs. We will see if Douglas can finally build an offensive line, They need a lot there. they need a WR2. They need a backup qb.

It will be interesting to see if they can recruit quality FAs to this sinking ship. They still have a stellar defense and a core group of great young talent. If they can keep their ST intact…fix the Oline, get a quality WR and decent backup qb…they can actually be decent this year. That’s a lot to ask…but not impossible.
 
Good hire. Don't judge that last game, he had like 4 healthy defensive starters by halftime. Hell of a player for the Jets too. Should build out a professional staff. As a Pats fan, I do not approve.

 
The Jets still don't have a fulltime GM. Phil Savage is interim at the moment. I'm interested in how the Rodgers issue plays out.
 
Deepster said:
Just to recap, here is Shaky's first post in this thread last March. All fair and valid points at the time. They got the WR help. The OL was okay. The defense was NOT stellar, especially post-Saleh. It really came down to Rodgers underperforming and a poorly coached unit on both sides of the ball.

This has been a bad offseason after a bad on-season.

In summary…

  • The star quarterback…after saying the Jets need to stop with the BS…decided to start a fued with a talk show host.
  • The Athletic published a report about team dysfuntion and their paranoid head coach
  • Free Agent signing Mecole Hardman went on to the win the Super bowl (literally) and bad mouth the culture of the team.
  • The owner of the team publicly declared that the GM and coaches need to win this year and that the team had no backup qb last year.
  • #2 draft pick Zach WIlson (the 2023 backup qb) will either be released or traded for a day 3 draft pick.
  • 2023 sack leader heads to free agency and will likely sign elsewhere due to a lack of cap room
  • misc front office personnel and coaching staff have left the team for other organizations,

So…vibes are not good heading into this season. While I dislike Rodgers as a person…he does seem determined to prove that he still has some gas left in the tank. As long as Rodgers is healthy and playing, the team has a chance to make the playoffs. We will see if Douglas can finally build an offensive line, They need a lot there. they need a WR2. They need a backup qb.

It will be interesting to see if they can recruit quality FAs to this sinking ship. They still have a stellar defense and a core group of great young talent. If they can keep their ST intact…fix the Oline, get a quality WR and decent backup qb…they can actually be decent this year. That’s a lot to ask…but not impossible.
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The defense was probably the biggest surprise. I didn’t realize how much Saleh had an impact on their play…I assumed it was Ulbrich. Or it could just be that Ulbrich’s effectiveness was diminished by wearing two hats. But..I still think it was Saleh leaving that hurt them.

The OL play was ok…i agree. Smith was a bust. AVT seems to have regressed a bit, but SImpson and TIpmann were solid. Fashanu shows promise. Moses was a warrior.

Douglas really messed up the DL. He couldn’t know that Jermaine Johnson would basically be lost for the year, but the Reddick and JFM trades were brutal.

Rodgers wasn’t healthy…which pretty much sunk the offense…but I am not sure even a healthy Rodgers could have helped this dysfuntional team.
 
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Husky25 said:
The Jets still don't have a fulltime GM. Phil Savage is interim at the moment. I'm interested in how the Rodgers issue plays out.
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Now that they have hired Glenn…I am pretty confident they will release Rodgers. A first time head coach doesn’t need Rodgers drama.
 
So I’m not doing cartwheels about Glenn. Like Jets fans have done the last 25 years, we lace up, stare forward and trudge on.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
The defense was probably the biggest surprise. I didn’t realize how much Saleh had an impact on their play…I assumed it was Ulbrich. Or it could just be that Ulbrich’s effectiveness was diminished by wearing two hats. But..I still think it was Saleh leaving that hurt them.

The OL play was ok…i agree. Smith was a bust. AVT seems to have regressed a bit, but SImpson and TIpmann were solid. Fashanu shows promise. Moses was a warrior.

Douglas really messed up the DL. He couldn’t know that Jermaine Johnson would basically be lost for the year, but the Reddick and JFM trades were brutal.

Rodgers wasn’t healthy…which pretty much sunk the offense…but I am not sure even a healthy Rodgers could have helped this dysfuntional team.
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It's not as if Saleh left on his own accord. It'd be difficult to convince me otherwise that Rodgers had him fired in favor of Hackett...

I listened to numerous podcasts last summer of DC area reporters interviewing Kliff Kingsbury about the differences between being a coordinator and head coach. They truly are completely different jobs. Not necessarily on the field, but also having that extra voice in the room for gameplanning and whatnot. If it's tough for an experienced head coach, Ulbrich never stood a chance.

Rodgers was the Jets' single biggest issue.
 
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Husky25 said:
It's not as if Saleh left on his own accord. It'd be difficult to convince me otherwise that Rodgers had him fired in favor of Hackett...
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I guess it’s possible..but I think it’s more likely that Woody got very upset that the Jets lost a bad game in the UK in front of his amassador friends to Sam Darnold. Woody was not happy with Saleh going into the year (remember he didn’t hire Saleh…Chris Johnson did). Woody didn’t like the Athletic article after the 2023 season calling out Saleh as a paranoid leader.Besides…Hackett got demoted anyway after Saleh was fired. If Rodgers had such great influence…it didn’t last long.

I think it was all Woody…but Rodgers may have thown the match on the kindling.
 
I feel like you're all digging too deep into Saleh. He had 3 full seasons prior to this year. 4-14, 7-10 and 7-10 for a combined 18-34. He started out this season 2-3 and his last 2 games were a loss to Denver and Bo Nix who had 60 yds passing for the game...then the debacle in London vs Sam Darnold. He was 20-37 (.351) at that point.

Antonio Pierce was fired after 26 games (9-17 / .346). Mayo fired after 1 season with a 4-13 (.235) record. Doug Pederson was fired after 3 seasons with a 22-29 (.431) record.

He stunk, had the injury excuse that afforded him this year and he fell on his face.
 
Deepster said:
I feel like you're all digging too deep into Saleh. He had 3 full seasons prior to this year. 4-14, 7-10 and 7-10 for a combined 18-34. He started out this season 2-3 and his last 2 games were a loss to Denver and Bo Nix who had 60 yds passing for the game...then the debacle in London vs Sam Darnold. He was 20-37 (.351) at that point.

Antonio Pierce was fired after 26 games (9-17 / .346). Mayo fired after 1 season with a 4-13 (.235) record. Doug Pederson was fired after 3 seasons with a 22-29 (.431) record.

He stunk, had the injury excuse that afforded him this year and he fell on his face.
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I agree that Saleh was a bad coach. My only point was that when he was coach at least the defense was respectable. I think that the Athletic article exposed him as a bit of a fraud as a leader.

He had more than the injury excuse…he also had the Zach WIlson excuse. And to compound that issue, Douglas didn’t get him a backup qb for Wilson.

As in most things…it isn’t one thing. While I think Saleh was a bad coach…I also think Douglas did him no favors by drafting Wilson and not fiixing the O line..at least until this year.

I am glad Saleh and Douglas are gone. I am glad to hear Parcell‘s comments about Glenn…which makes me optimistic. As always…it’s all about how they figure out the QB position.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
I guess it’s possible..but I think it’s more likely that Woody got very upset that the Jets lost a bad game in the UK in front of his amassador friends to Sam Darnold. Woody was not happy with Saleh going into the year (remember he didn’t hire Saleh…Chris Johnson did). Woody didn’t like the Athletic article after the 2023 season calling out Saleh as a paranoid leader.Besides…Hackett got demoted anyway after Saleh was fired. If Rodgers had such great influence…it didn’t last long.

I think it was all Woody…but Rodgers may have thown the match on the kindling.
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Hackett got demoted, but he was still in the building, drawing a paycheck. It was one or the other and Rodgers' had a history with Hackett, who was basically hired to attract Rodgers.

Joe Douglas did everything in his power to make Rodgers happy, and in doing so made Rodgers the de facto GM. Otherwise, why waste capital on Devonte Adams after basically throwing away the season by firing the coach?
 
Husky25 said:
Hackett got demoted, but he was still in the building, drawing a paycheck. It was one or the other and Rodgers' had a history with Hackett, who was basically hired to attract Rodgers.

Joe Douglas did everything in his power to make Rodgers happy, and in doing so made Rodgers the de facto GM. Otherwise, why waste capital on Devonte Adams after basically throwing away the season by firing the coach?
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I agree with all of that….but it still doesn’t mean that Rodgers pushed for Saleh to be fired. I actually think that Rodgers realized at that time that firing Saleh would not be helpful. If he wanted Saleh fired he would have pushed for it to happen before the season not 5 games into the season.

Saleh was fired because Woody got fed up with the Jets being the laughing stock of the league. His firing was an impulsive act…and ultimately hurt the team more than it helped. Just like pretty much every other move Woody has made.
 
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Well..they have their GM…I dont know much about him…other than he was assistant GM when the broncos traded for Russell Wilson….which was awful.

Young guy..no GM experience. It seems odd they would hire two first time people. And they don’t have a history together. Now they need to decide on Rodgers.

www.espn.com

Mougey leaves Broncos, joins new coach Aaron Glenn, Jets as GM

Darren Mougey, a longtime Broncos scout and executive who became their assistant GM in 2022, is the new general manager of the Jets.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
I don’t know why but I finally started watching Enigma on Netflix. Part of me will always think Rodgers was the guy to lead us out of this mess.
 
Deepster said:
I don’t know why but I finally started watching Enigma on Netflix. Part of me will always think Rodgers was the guy to lead us out of this mess.
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Who'd really be surprised?:D

Nfl Draft Hello GIF by New England Patriots
 
Deepster said:
I don’t know why but I finally started watching Enigma on Netflix. Part of me will always think Rodgers was the guy to lead us out of this mess.
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I have avoided Enigma so far…it’s a perfect name for a show about Rodgers. So what do you think? Is it worth the watch? Does it change how you feel about Rodgers?

You have been calling him a fraud…do you still think so?
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
I have avoided Enigma so far…it’s a perfect name for a show about Rodgers. So what do you think? Is it worth the watch? Does it change how you feel about Rodgers?

You have been calling him a fraud…do you still think so?
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It's torture.

1) Goes into his HS/College development. He was small in HS (5'10" and skinny) and got no looks. Went to Juco, then to Cal. Then, he thought he'd go no lower than #5 in the draft and he fell to #24 and immediately behind Favre who was a jerk to him.

2) Gives more backstage type view into that opening night and watching him march out on 9/11 with the flag. Gutwrenching.

3) Shows him giving speeches to the team 2-3 weeks after his surgery on being a team, not giving up, etc.

I don't want him any more....but I am going to go to my grave thinking IF he didn't get hurt, things could have been as we hoped with him. But it didn't. It's in shambles. The shine is off him. Ugh. Between that doc and the Dynasty Pats one on Apple it's a shock in not in the garage with the door closed and ending running.
 
Deepster said:
It's torture.

1) Goes into his HS/College development. He was small in HS (5'10" and skinny) and got no looks. Went to Juco, then to Cal. Then, he thought he'd go no lower than #5 in the draft and he fell to #24 and immediately behind Favre who was a jerk to him.

2) Gives more backstage type view into that opening night and watching him march out on 9/11 with the flag. Gutwrenching.

3) Shows him giving speeches to the team 2-3 weeks after his surgery on being a team, not giving up, etc.

I don't want him any more....but I am going to go to my grave thinking IF he didn't get hurt, things could have been as we hoped with him. But it didn't. It's in shambles. The shine is off him. Ugh. Between that doc and the Dynasty Pats one on Apple it's a shock in not in the garage with the door closed and ending running.
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Thanks for the summary.

You may be right about what could have been. The issue is...he was 40... the idea of him being injured is more likely than not.

I don't know where you live, but the good thing about living in Vegas is no Patriot fans...lol.
 
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