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bigAbruns said:
Exactly, they really stunk it up the last month. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Saleh gets the axe from woody if they look like they did yesterday next week. They haven't even scored a td in the last 2 games.
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I would be surprised if Saleh got the ax. The team plays hard for him. He works well with Douglas...and Douglas hired him. Saleh may feel pressure to replace Lafleur. Which could be awkward for him.

Douglas knows the biggest problems with the offense were caused by him. Drafting Wilson and Becton as top 10 picks. Both are busts so far. I like Douglas...and other picks have been great...but his first draft with the Jets was awful. Add in the Zach Wilson pick, and he is the reason the offense is awful.

But... Lafleur needed to make do with what he had and he couldn't. It feels like he wasn't ready for the job yet. He doesn't adjust well on the fly.

Lafleur may take the fall for the offense this season, but it wasn't all his fault. I seriously doubt Saleh takes the fall.

But it's the Jets.... whatever path they choose will be the wrong one.
 
Might come down to Woody telling Douglas and Saleh, fire Lafleur or you both go. I'm thinking back to manginis last year, similar collapse to finish the season. Probably depends on how Woody is feeling and if there is a coach he has in mind and can get.

If they go after Jimmy g, Lafleur is staying, if they have another qb in mind or Woody wants wilson as the starter Lafleur is gone.

I hope they keep Douglas, his last draft was very good and he did set the team up well to start the year....those key offensive line injuries and breece getting hurt certainly killed them.
 
bigAbruns said:
Might come down to Woody telling Douglas and Saleh, fire Lafleur or you both go. I'm thinking back to manginis last year, similar collapse to finish the season. Probably depends on how Woody is feeling and if there is a coach he has in mind and can get.

If they go after Jimmy g, Lafleur is staying, if they have another qb in mind or Woody wants wilson as the starter Lafleur is gone.

I hope they keep Douglas, his last draft was very good and he did set the team up well to start the year....those key offensive line injuries and breece getting hurt certainly killed them.
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I agree on Douglas...I will assume the 2020 draft disaster was due to the pandemic and Adam Gase. I give him a pass on Zach because everyone thought Zach was the right pick there.

I will say...if a coach like Sean Payton was interested... Johnson would fire Saleh. Otherwise...I think Saleh is safe.

To Douglas's credit...the Jets are an appealing team for an established QB..or even an established coach.

I like the idea of Derek Carr.
 
Carr is interesting, but they better fix the offensive line. Use first two rounds to draft OL, then maybe a mid-late pick for a qb like Duggan to sit and learn from Carr.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Any Jets fan takes on this?

www.espn.com

Robert Saleh backs Jets' Zach Wilson, slams 'instant-coffee' era

Jets coach Robert Saleh defended Zach Wilson on Monday, saying he's going to be a good quarterback but "this new instant-coffee world that we're in just doesn't want to give people time."
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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I don't think it means anything. Coach speak. What else is he going to say? He needs to keep Wilson propped up to either help trade value or to help his confidence going into next year as a backup.

There is no way Douglas and Saleh are staking their jobs on Zach Wilson figuring it out and becoming a quality quarterback next year. Because if the Jets don't make the playoffs next year, both of them are unemployed.

Douglas made a devastating error in picking Wilson. He can't compound it by giving Wilson another year. This team is close....there is a good core of young talent....they need a real quarterback to get them over the hump...and it has to happen next year. Wilson may figure it out...but they can't go into the 2023 season hoping it happens.
 
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So Lefleur now admits that Wilson shouldn't have started in his rookie season. He said he wasn't ready. Not only did he start...they didn't even have a veteran quarterback on the team to help him.

Looking back on last year... Saleh and Lefleur really showed their lack of experience. Saleh is a defensive coach.... Lafleur is a first time coordinator...and they trusted the development of their #2 pick to those two. I know that Knapp's unfortunate death impacted their plan. But It seems like they didn't put Zach in the best position to succeed.

Despite this...it doesn't mean Zach is an NFL QB.
 
I think there is definitely a different expectation of college QB's early on now. Brett Favre was not a starter for the Falcons and got traded to the Packers. Aaron Rodgers was on the sidelines for 3 seasons in Green Bay.

So teams expect their QB's to mature must faster.....but the rub there is look at the typical resume of the perennial Super Bowl caliber QB's - Mannings, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, Warner - pocket QB's older and seasoned and able to read complex defenses.

I think Saleh has a point.
 
Deepster said:
I think there is definitely a different expectation of college QB's early on now. Brett Favre was not a starter for the Falcons and got traded to the Packers. Aaron Rodgers was on the sidelines for 3 seasons in Green Bay.

So teams expect their QB's to mature must faster.....but the rub there is look at the typical resume of the perennial Super Bowl caliber QB's - Mannings, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, Warner - pocket QB's older and seasoned and able to read complex defenses.

I think Saleh has a point.
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Do you think Zach is salvageable?
 
Deepster said:
I think there is definitely a different expectation of college QB's early on now. Brett Favre was not a starter for the Falcons and got traded to the Packers. Aaron Rodgers was on the sidelines for 3 seasons in Green Bay.

So teams expect their QB's to mature must faster.....but the rub there is look at the typical resume of the perennial Super Bowl caliber QB's - Mannings, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, Warner - pocket QB's older and seasoned and able to read complex defenses.

I think Saleh has a point.
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Mahomes didn't start either, sat behind Alex Smith for a year. Brady & Brees didn't. Most of the best QBs didn't start immediately, or if they did, weren't very good (P Manning, Hurts, Allen, Tua). Wilson's biggest knock was lack of experience, and that he was at BYU and didn't see as much diversity in defensive or offensive schemes. He should never have been tabbed as a rookie starter. Likewise Trey Lance. 49ers sat him last year, named him starter this year, and when he got hurt it was very clear that Jimmy G was better.
 
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ShakyTheMohel said:
Do you think Zach is salvageable?
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Not in NY.

I have been slightly impressed watching Sam Darnold the last month. They're focused on running and he's not doing anything crazy, but his decisionmaking and throws have looked pretty solid and Carolina has played good teams tough. Could you see the same with Wilson somewhere else? I guess. I mean, Baker Mayfield actually looks effective with the Rams after looking like garbage everywhere else.
 
Deepster said:
Not in NY.

I have been slightly impressed watching Sam Darnold the last month. They're focused on running and he's not doing anything crazy, but his decisionmaking and throws have looked pretty solid and Carolina has played good teams tough. Could you see the same with Wilson somewhere else? I guess. I mean, Baker Mayfield actually looks effective with the Rams after looking like garbage everywhere else.
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Tannehill stunk in Miami. Drew Brees was not impressive his first two seasons in San Diego. Wilson absolutely has the talent to be a good starter. I think a year as backup in NY might make him viable for the Jets again. Maybe your starter gets hurt and he comes in and is good. NY going to reject him?
 
HuskyHawk said:
Tannehill stunk in Miami. Drew Brees was not impressive his first two seasons in San Diego. Wilson absolutely has the talent to be a good starter. I think a year as backup in NY might make him viable for the Jets again. Maybe your starter gets hurt and he comes in and is good. NY going to reject him?
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Wilson has arm talent...but does he have leadership capability?

His comments about not taking ownership of his failures will stick with NY fans. He tried to clean it up, but it just validated why he wasn't originally voted captain at BYU.

He is only 23...so he deserves a chance to grow up...and NY loves a comeback story...but it will be a tough hill to climb.

From Saleh's comments....it feels like Wilson will probably stay in NY as a backup....he is still on his rookie contract. But I still don't believe that they will expect him to be their starter.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Well...I would like to retract my previous thoughts...lol....Mike White is not an option for the future. I don't know how a guy can look so good and so bad in the same season. But...the bottom line is that he isn't consistent... and I wonder if he is even a viable backup. He had the respect of his teammates..but he couldn't deliver on the field.

I had previously defended Lafleur...but there is some growth needed at OC also.

Also...how about the defense getting a turnover? That seemed to disappear the last couple months.

It's amazing how much both UConn and the Jets fizzled out at the end. I had about three weeks where I enjoyed football on both Saturday and Sunday.

Oh well...next year. Jets might as well lose their last game to help their draft position. And they need an OL or three.
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Ok...so now we find out that White was injured in the second quarter against Seattle. He proceeded to have a bad second half.

So...why didn't they pull him for Flacco? I know Flacco is bad....but an injured White was worse.
 
Flacco gave pretty much what you would expect. Three straight games without a TD. A promising season turns to dust.
 
I am a proponent of having a rookie QB sit and learn from an experienced QB. I know it is not done too much nowadays,b ut these rookies have no clue how to manage a game. They get flustered too easily and keep making the same mistakes. Wilson needs to get some maturity from the vets on the team and Flacco is one to ask questions. Maybe he doesn't listen very well because he is all over the place. Starts out like he has a handle on things and soon after back to making mistakes. I don't know the answer except to say that he is a mess.
 
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Huskygamble19 said:
Flacco gave pretty much what you would expect. Three straight games without a TD. A promising season turns to dust.
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20 rush attempts for 38 yards. Miami has a good rush D, but that's ridiculous.
 
storrsroars said:
20 rush attempts for 38 yards. Miami has a good rush D, but that's ridiculous.
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Offensive line is devastated by injuries. Bad day rushing is expected. But....they haven't been able to run for weeks.
 
Huskygamble19 said:
I am a proponent of having a rookie QB sit and learn from an experienced QB. I know it is not done too much nowadays,b ut these rookies have no clue how to manage a game. They get flustered too easily and keep making the same mistakes. Wilson needs to get some maturity from the vets on the team and Flacco is one to ask questions. Maybe he doesn't listen very well because he is all over the place. Starts out like he has a handle on things and soon after back to making mistakes. I don't know the answer except to say that he is a mess.
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Dan O made a comment something like "I am not sure if Wilson isn't that smart...or...".

I hope they get a vet and let him sit next year.
 
Anyone else annoyed the Giants are in the playoffs? The Jets are much better....except at quarterback....sigh. Daboll is obviously a great coach....just disappointing that quarterback play knee capped this team.
 
I don't hate the Giants and I don't consider them to be a rival at all. I have too much hate for the Pats and Bills where I can't worry about a team we rarely ever play. And the Giants gave us Tyree....the definitive argument winner when talking to any obnoxious Pats fan.
 
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Deepster said:
I don't hate the Giants and I don't consider them to be a rival at all. I have too much hate for the Pats and Bills where I can't worry about a team we rarely ever play. And the Giants gave us Tyree....the definitive argument winner when talking to any obnoxious Pats fan.
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I don't hate the giants in general...I agree...the Patriots are the most hated.

I just hate that Daboll got them in the playoffs so fast and the Jets are sitting home and watching
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
I don't hate the giants in general...I agree...the Patriots are the most hated.

I just hate that Daboll got them in the playoffs so fast and the Jets are sitting home and watching
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Blame Zach Wilson for that one.
 
It had to be tough for Saleh to fire his best friends brother. But... something had to be done.

It was interesting to hear Saleh say he was open to a new style of offense. I would think they will look for a veteran QB and OC who are compatible. I also think the Shanahan style of offense wasn't suited to Zach. Timing and accuracy aren't his strengths.

So...who will it be...and in what order? OC first....then QB?
 
Looks like OC first. I would think they will hire an OC with a QB already in mind. Meaning...if the like Carr...get an OC who can work well with Carr.

He said the new coordinator will have input into the quarterback decision.

"We're going to be as aggressive as heck when it comes to quarterback play," he said, "and make sure we do everything we can to satisfy that position."

www.espn.com

Jets owner would pay for QB, the 'missing piece'

Owner Woody Johnson said Thursday he believes the Jets are a quarterback away from ending their 12-year playoff drought, and he's willing to spend for a proven veteran.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Looks like OC first. I would think they will hire an OC with a QB already in mind. Meaning...if the like Carr...get an OC who can work well with Carr.

He said the new coordinator will have input into the quarterback decision.

"We're going to be as aggressive as heck when it comes to quarterback play," he said, "and make sure we do everything we can to satisfy that position."

www.espn.com

Jets owner would pay for QB, the 'missing piece'

Owner Woody Johnson said Thursday he believes the Jets are a quarterback away from ending their 12-year playoff drought, and he's willing to spend for a proven veteran.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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So....now we are hearing the Jets OC position is not desirable because they don't have a QB.

Thats the tough part about hiring an OC first. But...I guess the timing is the timing. If the Jets wait for FA window...it might be too late for a good OC.

So what do they do...wait until they get a QB and risk losing top choices? Hire someone further down the list and hope they can make a QB and OC marriage work?

Greg Olson seems like a good option...who can hopefully help them land Carr. And he isn't the young up and coming OC that everyone covets. Jets need experience on that staff.

I see Roman was let go in Baltimore...and speculation he could go somewhere with Lamar Jackson. I will say that I am not interested in Lamar Jackson or any dual threat QB. Mobile QB yes....dual threat no. They get injured too often. What good is Lamar Jackson helping you win the first 10 games if he can't play in the playoffs? If I was Chicago, I am drafting Bryce Young. Fields is already injured. That's not going to change...he will keep getting injured. And if he doesn't run....his value decreases.

Should be interesting.
 
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