The Official 2022 NY Jets Thread

[ShakyTheMohel]

The latest on the quarterback sweepstakes....the Raider's haven't granted Carr the right to negotiate with other teams. And Carr has said he won't extend the 2/15 deadline. Carr has a no trade clause...if he wants the team he is going to to be good...why would he waive the no trade so his destination is weakened? It's looking more and more like Carr will be released.

I just read an article in The Athletic about Rodgers trade possibilities...he won't be released...he will have to be traded for. He doesn't have a no trade...but you have to think he would be part of the decision. The article stated the Jets would have to give up first round picks in 2023 and 2024 plus Elijah Moore.

So...you can sign Carr as a free agent...without giving up anything more a contract. And you have an average to above average quarterback for the next 5-7 years. Or...you can give up two number one picks and Moore...for a very good (he is aging) quarterback who will play one or two years.

They can win with an average quarterback... especially if they keep their picks and Moore. I say go with Carr.

If Carr or Rodgers don't work out, then you have to sign Garappolo. He won't stay healthy, but if he does you can win with him also. And.... hopefully they can get Zach on track.

Tannehill is a last resort.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

The raiders are now giving him permission to talk with other teams. I still think a trade won't be worked out...

Sources: Raiders letting QB Derek Carr talk to other teams

The Raiders have granted QB Derek Carr permission to speak with teams that have already agreed to the compensation Las Vegas is looking for in a potential trade, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[HuskyHawk]

The raiders are now giving him permission to talk with other teams. I still think a trade won't be worked out...

Sources: Raiders letting QB Derek Carr talk to other teams

The Raiders have granted QB Derek Carr permission to speak with teams that have already agreed to the compensation Las Vegas is looking for in a potential trade, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

The thinking is that nobody wants that contract, so they'll wait, assuming he will be released. I think they are probably right. He'd still come in at about $30m a year most likely.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

The thinking is that nobody wants that contract, so they'll wait, assuming he will be released. I think they are probably right. He'd still come in at about $30m a year most likely.

Yeah...I don't think he is traded. They are most likely releasing him.

That's why I think he is a great option. Similarsalary as Rodgers, but won't cost them multiple number one picks. And he will be around for a few years.

 

[Deepster]

Yeah...I don't think he is traded. They are most likely releasing him.

That's why I think he is a great option. Similarsalary as Rodgers, but won't cost them multiple number one picks. And he will be around for a few years.

But he’s DEREK CARR.

 

[HuskyHawk]

But he’s DEREK CARR.

Yeah, it must be tough to contemplate the best QB the Jets would have had since Ken O'Brien. You could do a lot worse, and have for 30 years.

 

[Deepster]

Yeah, it must be tough to contemplate the best QB the Jets would have had since Ken O'Brien. You could do a lot worse, and have for 30 years.

I know you're trying to be funny and you rarely are...but that's just not true.

Carr's career average removing his rookie season is 3,950 yds, 25 TD's and 11 INT's. He has played 1 playoff game in his entire career. Ryan Fitzpatrick had that same season in 2015. Mark Sanchez in 2011.

Derek Carr is a middling loser at the position. Always finds a way to come up just short. And, he's super highly religious and supposedly, that alienates him from a lot of his teammates because it makes them uncomfortable.

 

[storrsroars]

Yeah, it must be tough to contemplate the best QB the Jets would have had since Ken O'Brien. You could do a lot worse, and have for 30 years.

I'm not disliking because of Carr, rather it's your completely glossing over the best leader the Jets had since Namath in Chad Pennington. O'Brien had far more weapons than Penny to work with, but always seemed more invested in not throwing INTs than actually winning.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I know you're trying to be funny and you rarely are...but that's just not true.

Carr's career average removing his rookie season is 3,950 yds, 25 TD's and 11 INT's. He has played 1 playoff game in his entire career. Ryan Fitzpatrick had that same season in 2015. Mark Sanchez in 2011.

Derek Carr is a middling loser at the position. Always finds a way to come up just short. And, he's super highly religious and supposedly, that alienates him from a lot of his teammates because it makes them uncomfortable.

I actually wasn't trying to be funny this time. Yes, Sanchez and Fitzpatrick, and Pennington had decent seasons. Vinny was good at times too. But there's been no stability since O'Brien really. You don't want to give Wilson another shot, so what is the answer? Rogers? He doesn't have long. Jimmy G?

 

[HuskyHawk]

I'm not disliking because of Carr, rather it's your completely glossing over the best leader the Jets had since Namath in Chad Pennington. O'Brien had far more weapons than Penny to work with, but always seemed more invested in not throwing INTs than actually winning.

Fair. I mentioned him in the follow-up, and if not for injuries he could have been a longer term solution.

 

[Deepster]

I actually wasn't trying to be funny this time. Yes, Sanchez and Fitzpatrick, and Pennington had decent seasons. Vinny was good at times too. But there's been no stability since O'Brien really. You don't want to give Wilson another shot, so what is the answer? Rogers? He doesn't have long. Jimmy G?

I would take Rodgers for 2 years over Carr. I would take Jimmy G over Carr. I would take Baker Mayfield over Carr.

If they end up with Carr, Matt Ryan or Tannehill, there's zero upside at the QB position for the next 3-5 years.

 

[Husky25]

Yeah, it must be tough to contemplate the best QB the Jets would have had since Ken O'Brien. You could do a lot worse, and have for 30 years.

Pennington was pretty good before his shoulder disintegrated.

I'm not disliking because of Carr, rather it's your completely glossing over the best leader the Jets had since Namath in Chad Pennington. O'Brien had far more weapons than Penny to work with, but always seemed more invested in not throwing INTs than actually winning.

I didn't see this reply before I posted mine. My bad.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

I would take Rodgers for 2 years over Carr. I would take Jimmy G over Carr. I would take Baker Mayfield over Carr.

If they end up with Carr, Matt Ryan or Tannehill, there's zero upside at the QB position for the next 3-5 years.

That's crazy talk. Carr never played with a defense like the Jets. I like Garappolo...he just can't stay on the field. And you saw how important that was to the niners. Ryan is too old. Mayfield...just no. I would take Darnold over Mayfield. Tannehill maybe.

And.... Rodgers is thinking about retirement this year...you think he will play two more? And they need those draft picks to fill holes at a low cost (especially if they sign a pricey QB).

I knew Carr was religious...bit has it really been a locker room distraction? More than Rodgers stuff?

Considering everything....this is my list in order...

Carr
Rodgers
Garappolo
Tannehill

I would be content with any of the four.

 

[Husky25]

Rodgers is going on a "dark retreat" and doing the "will I or won't I" dance for another year, but Carr being religious is a distraction?

I just want stability....you aren't getting that with Rodgers. But...if I knew he would get them a Super Bowl....I would deal with a year of dysfunction!

Remind you of another former Packer courted by the Jets? Would probably work out the same too.

 

[Deepster]

Rodgers is going on a "dark retreat" and doing the "will I or won't I" dance for another year, but Carr being religious is a distraction?

I just want stability....you aren't getting that with Rodgers. But...if I knew he would get them a Super Bowl....I would deal with a year of dysfunction!

I didn't say stability. I said he alienates himself from his teammates because he's not "one of the guys" due to his super religious lifestyle. They can't relate, they don't feel comfortable around him, they don't buy into his leadership culture. He doesn't swear. Doesn't drink. That's all.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

I didn't say stability. I said he alienates himself from his teammates because he's not "one of the guys" due to his super religious lifestyle. They can't relate, they don't feel comfortable around him, they don't buy into his leadership culture. He doesn't swear. Doesn't drink. That's all.

Is that a fact....or are you making assumptions? Were there leadership issues with Carr? I had never heard there were locker room issues with him.

Lots of football players don't drink and swear...I can't imagine that matters if you have a strong work ethic and talent. His durability says he is competitive...and a good team guy. Do you really think Elijah Moore would have a problem with Carr if he got him the ball but he wouldn't have a beer with him?

Your concerns that Carr didn't get the Raiders into the playoffs more frequently...or that he throws an inopportune interception are valid. Being too religious doesn't seem like a valid concern to me.

 

[HeGotGame]

I know you're trying to be funny and you rarely are...but that's just not true.

Carr's career average removing his rookie season is 3,950 yds, 25 TD's and 11 INT's. He has played 1 playoff game in his entire career. Ryan Fitzpatrick had that same season in 2015. Mark Sanchez in 2011.

Derek Carr is a middling loser at the position. Always finds a way to come up just short. And, he's super highly religious and supposedly, that alienates him from a lot of his teammates because it makes them uncomfortable.

You clearly have zero understanding of the demographics of an NFL locker room.

Just because it makes you uncomfortable does not mean it makes everyone else uncomfortable.

 

[HeGotGame]

Is that a fact....or are you making assumptions? Were there leadership issues with Carr? I had never heard there were locker room issues with him.

Lots of football players don't drink and swear...I can't imagine that matters if you have a strong work ethic and talent. His durability says he is competitive...and a good team guy. Do you really think Elijah Moore would have a problem with Carr if he got him the ball but he wouldn't have a beer with him?

Your concerns that Carr didn't get the Raiders into the playoffs more frequently...or that he throws an inopportune interception are valid. Being too religious doesn't seem like a valid concern to me.

Carr and Devante Adams are best friends. Elijah Moore's twitter bio is simply "God body" and his account is full of religious passages.

Garrett Wilson is very religious, here listen to him on Faith on the Field podcast: ‎Faith on the Field Show Podcast: Episode 212: No Adjustments (Garrett Wilson) on Apple Podcasts

A lot of hot takes are thrown around but Carr being "too religious" so teammates wont like him may take the cake.

 

[Deepster]

You clearly have zero understanding of the demographics of an NFL locker room.

Just because it makes you uncomfortable does not mean it makes everyone else uncomfortable.

So educate me. Walk me through your first hand knowledge of an NFL locker room.

 

[HeGotGame]

So educate me. Walk me through your first hand knowledge of an NFL locker room.

Walk me through yours. You made the statement. You provided zero support for it. I already provided you evidence on how it was wrong. Or just keep throwing things out with nothing to support it by, your call.

As an FYI you may want to do just minimal research on the demographics of an NFL locker room and this will help you out a little.

 

[Deepster]

Walk me through yours. You made the statement. You provided zero support for it. I already provided you evidence on how it was wrong. Or just keep throwing things out with nothing to support it by, your call.

As an FYI you may want to do just minimal research on the demographics of an NFL locker room and this will help you out a little.

I heard it from a long time Raiders season ticket holder who's friends with a good number of former players and current/former front office personnel. Take it for what it's worth. I really don't care. He's been right on so many other Raiders/NFL rumors and stories, I trust him.

And if you'd like to teach me more about the demographics of an NFL locker room, I'm all ears.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Carr sounds perfect for the Jets.

Josh Jacobs: Derek Carr situation was "weird" in the locker room

As of this posting, Derek Carr is still a Raiders quarterback.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

It doesn't look like anyone (not even Dan Snyder...though WFT is presumably busy finding an OC and selling the franchise...hopefully) is blowing up the phones in Vegas so Carr will probably be released before the 37M/year clause kicks in and will presumably sign for more in line with what he is really worth, which is far less than 37 Million.

I know I have been beating the Carr drum...but that article does give me pause. Mainly because of how Jacobs talked about Carr being quiet...and inferring Brissett showed more leadership than Carr. It reminded me of how the Jets players responded to White versus Zach. (BTW...Cimini at ESPN had a great article yesterday about Zach's history with the Jets).

So...if you have Carr and Zach with a young team...will there be a leadership gap? Maybe. And will Carr be able to develop Zach? Maybe...but he won't help him be a better leader.

So... while Rodgers seems to be a bit of a narcissistic nut job, he does have respect in the locker room. And a young team probably needs a strong leader as much as a good quarterback. Zach would probably learn more from Rodgers. And it they truly believe in Zach... Rodgers two year timeline could work.

I do think the only way they should trade for Rodgers is if he commits to two years. Otherwise it's not worth the picks you have to give up.

So...I might be cooling off on the Carr idea. I still think it could work...and it is probably a better call than anyone not named Rodgers...but Rodgers may be the better play here. And obviously this is all dependent on Rodgers not retiring and him wanting to play for the Jets.

I reserve the right to change my opinion again....lol.

 

[Husky25]

I know I have been beating the Carr drum...but that article does give me pause. Mainly because of how Jacobs talked about Carr being quiet...and inferring Brissett showed more leadership than Carr. It reminded me of how the Jets players responded to White versus Zach. (BTW...Cimini at ESPN had a great article yesterday about Zach's history with the Jets).

So...if you have Carr and Zach with a young team...will there be a leadership gap? Maybe. And will Carr be able to develop Zach? Maybe...but he won't help him be a better leader.

So... while Rodgers seems to be a bit of a narcissistic nut job, he does have respect in the locker room. And a young team probably needs a strong leader as much as a good quarterback. Zach would probably learn more from Rodgers. And it they truly believe in Zach... Rodgers two year timeline could work.

I do think the only way they should trade for Rodgers is if he commits to two years. Otherwise it's not worth the picks you have to give up.

So...I might be cooling off on the Carr idea. I still think it could work...and it is probably a better call than anyone not named Rodgers...but Rodgers may be the better play here. And obviously this is all dependent on Rodgers not retiring and him wanting to play for the Jets.

I reserve the right to change my opinion again....lol.

I think all the noise about bringing in a veteran signal caller of a Carr or Rodgers stature indicates that the Jets are ready to move on from Wilson. Carr, provided they sign him, would allow the Jets to draft a midround QB to develop behind the scenes.

Frankly, the Vegas QB of choice for the Jets should be Stidham. Alas, it looks like he's expected to re-sign with the Raiders.

 

[HeGotGame]

I heard it from a long time Raiders season ticket holder who's friends with a good number of former players and current/former front office personnel. Take it for what it's worth. I really don't care. He's been right on so many other Raiders/NFL rumors and stories, I trust him.

And if you'd like to teach me more about the demographics of an NFL locker room, I'm all ears.

Cool story, like I said no evidence to support the claim.

 

[Deepster]

Cool story, like I said no evidence to support the claim.

Still waiting on your expertise of the demographic makeup of the NFL locker room.

James Harrison and Tony Gonzalez questioned Carr's locker room leadership skills because of his religious beliefs back in 2018. Do they know what an NFL locker room is like?

Raiders tight end comes to Derek Carr's defense

Tight end Lee Smith isn't the most well-known player on the Oakland Raiders, but he has become of the more outspoken. After news broke that Oakland had traded Amari

247sports.com

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

I think all the noise about bringing in a veteran signal caller of a Carr or Rodgers stature indicates that the Jets are ready to move on from Wilson. Carr, provided they sign him, would allow the Jets to draft a midround QB to develop behind the scenes.

Frankly, the Vegas QB of choice for the Jets should be Stidham. Alas, it looks like he's expected to re-sign with the Raiders.

Well...I am not 100% sure they have completely moved on from Zach. Next year? Definitely. He doesn't have a chance to be the starter in 2023 barring injury. But....this staff is the staff who drafted him. And they willingly admitted they messed up by not letting Zach sit and learn. And they threw the OC under the bus.

I don't think they completely move on from Zach until he has had a chance to work with a more experienced OC. I think they want to see him in another system for a year.

Unless....there is a team out there who fell in love with Zach during the draft process and thinks they can fix him. If they are willing to give a higher than expected draft pick for him, then Douglas might make that deal.

But I don't think they actively shop him.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

So..... Carr won't waive his no-trade...which means he will be a free agent. He will just cost the Jets cash...no picks.

And....the Jets have asked the Packers if Rodgers is available. I had seen one article saying he would cost two ones and Elijah Moore...which is waaaay too much. I saw another that said a 2023 third and a conditional 2024 one.

Douglas has to find a way to get Rodgers without giving up a one. And definitely don't give up Moore.

Would they make a deal for Rodgers without a two year commitment?

 

[HuskyHawk]

This is good news for @Deepster if true

 

[Deepster]

That's great to hear, especially since they're all better than Carr.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

This is good news for @Deepster if true

I really do think they want a good role model for Zach on how to be a leader. That might not be Carr...or even Rodgers.

I really do think Carr is the best option because he won't cost picks, he is durable...and capable. But Saleh is big on locker room presence...and it doesn't sound like that is a strength of Carr's.