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UC1995 said:
AAC conference teams in full panic mode. Last station is coming up down the train and a lot of teams dreams are going to end.

Better choice is to gain 2-3 regional independent teams in football to be there to play area P4 conferences and each other for flexible scheduling

Northeast (UConn, West Virginia, Temple)
Midwest (Kansas, Ok state, Baylor)
West (Boise, Byu, Colorado St)
Southeast (Houston, Cincy, UCF)
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UConn should not be a part of that conference. Nor would it ever happen.
 
If Oklahoma and Texas leave and somehow no one else does, I think you can bet on the Big 12 filling with four schools. At the top of the list would be BYU/Cincinnati/UCF/Houston. If BYU is not acceptable that's where things get interesting.
 
Slasher said:
If Oklahoma and Texas leave and somehow no one else does, I think you can bet on the Big 12 filling with four schools. At the top of the list would be BYU/Cincinnati/UCF/Houston. If BYU is not acceptable that's where things get interesting.
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I don't think so, Memphis is the logical addition there and there's really no one else.
 
If Oklahoma and Texas leave, no matter who you bring in, the value of the next contract will be just north of the AAC contract. Baylor, et al in football will die on the vine. It will be so watered down, the loser would be the AAC.
 
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shizzle787 said:
In my mind, our scenarios are going to be dictated by Kansas.

1) If none of the Pac-12, B1G, or ACC wants them, I believe the Big 12 will not remain a power conference and expand by 2 schools (Houston and UCF). The American backfills with Rice to keep Navy happy. Nothing happens for us.

2) If B1G wants them bad enough (and I don't think the B1G will be able to poach a non- Big 12 power school), I think #16 will either be us or Iowa State (because of AAU). This scenario=WIN for us

3) I don't see the ACC grabbing them for the same reasons they didn't grab us.

4) If the Pac-12 grabs them I think they will be paired by Texas Tech to get into Texas. The Big 12 would be left with 6 schools and probably add 4 (Houston, UCF, Cincinnati, and Boise State or Colorado State). Navy goes independent as even though the AAC would likely backfill with Rice, Navy would be able to get a better schedule as an independent. We would probably play them frequently, if not yearly. This scenario=WIN for us

I don't see scenario 3 happening, but scenario 1 is at worst a toss-up, scenario 4 helps our football schedule, and scenario 2 would be a life raft the school.
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why on earth do you keep suggesting Rice?
Liberty has more ambition than the Owls. As do about 10 other schools.
And please dont say for the TV market. That'd be like adding Columbia thinking it would give you an NYC audience.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
I don't think so, Memphis is the logical addition there and there's really no one else.
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I don't understand this take at all. They're inferior across the board to both Cincinnati and UCF. Smaller enrollment, much worse academics (than Cincinnati), smaller market. Doesn't get eastern time zone eyeballs. The list goes on and on.
 
Slasher said:
I don't understand this take at all. They're inferior across the board to both Cincinnati and UCF. Smaller enrollment, much worse academics (than Cincinnati), smaller market. Doesn't get eastern time zone eyeballs. The list goes on and on.
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penny remembers GIF
 
The Big 12 raiding the AAC and not picking UCONN is probably an underrated reason why we left the AAC. I know there were many reasons, but the realization that this might happen would be as good as any.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
UConn should not be a part of that conference. Nor would it ever happen.
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I did not call it a conference…. I said 2-3 team independent pods who can offer scheduling flexibility to teams in those geographic areas for football. We are not affiliated at all with them unless we schedule a game with them.

Long term if things move the way they might, I Indy is way more attractive in football for schools because they can be more creative. Bowls are dead moving forward so we offer the chance to play anywhere anytime and then we promote the focus on development to the next level. That’s how we survive. I think you didn’t read what I said carefully.
 
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Slasher said:
I don't understand this take at all. They're inferior across the board to both Cincinnati and UCF. Smaller enrollment, much worse academics (than Cincinnati), smaller market. Doesn't get eastern time zone eyeballs. The list goes on and on.
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Don't understand why ESPN would tear the guts out of the Big 12. The league still has years to go on a shared contract with Fox but ESPN seems to have most of the football content. The league may wish to tear the guts out of the AAC which is cheap programming for ESPN. That means Houston, Cincy, UCF and Memphis. It gives them recruiting in multiple sports, eyeballs and cable boxes, and pretty much diminishes any interest in the AAC no matter who they backfill. 2 additional teams also fills more TV time slots. They could literally be strong in hoops and while dropping some in football power rankings, and basically vanquish a competing league. They could possibly have a case to remain P5. But that then puts them at odds with a media partner unless ESPN would rather dump the Big 12 sans TX OK at contract end.

Both ESPN and FOX have a contractual relationship with the Big 12.The question becomes will they agree to preserve the AAC or the big 12 or both or neither. Their contract is not up quite yet but they are kind of weird partners. This will be interesting and could be messy. But of course ESPN may feel it has a lot of leverage here unless Fox were to step up big.

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Vowelguy said:
why on earth do you keep suggesting Rice?
Liberty has more ambition than the Owls. As do about 10 other schools.
And please dont say for the TV market. That'd be like adding Columbia thinking it would give you an NYC audience.
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Navy wants to play one Texas school at home per year per their agreement with the AAC for military recruiting purposes. No Rice=no Texas home game every year.
 
1) These rumors rarely come to fruition.
2) Why would the SEC want them? It's already the strongest FB conference by far. Does moving even further ahead of the pack generate the kind of $$$$$ that would be needed to increase school payouts?
The SEC FB deal is reportedly $3B. This expansion would need to bring in an additional $430M to increase team payouts. And probably a lot more than that to persuade some of the schools to go along. They'd almost certainly have to go to 9 conference games which takes away a cupcake win and replaces it will an L for schools like Arkansas, Ole Miss, Kentucky (Vandy of course).
 
SubbaBub said:
SMU would buy their way in.
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They can’t.

brasssbonanzaa said:
I don't think so, Memphis is the logical addition there and there's really no one else.
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They have less than no chance. They have a negative change.

shizzle787 said:
In my mind, our scenarios are going to be dictated by Kansas.

1) If none of the Pac-12, B1G, or ACC wants them, I believe the Big 12 will not remain a power conference and expand by 2 schools (Houston and UCF). The American backfills with Rice to keep Navy happy. Nothing happens for us.

2) If B1G wants them bad enough (and I don't think the B1G will be able to poach a non- Big 12 power school), I think #16 will either be us or Iowa State (because of AAU). This scenario=WIN for us

3) I don't see the ACC grabbing them for the same reasons they didn't grab us.

4) If the Pac-12 grabs them I think they will be paired by Texas Tech to get into Texas. The Big 12 would be left with 6 schools and probably add 4 (Houston, UCF, Cincinnati, and Boise State or Colorado State). Navy goes independent as even though the AAC would likely backfill with Rice, Navy would be able to get a better schedule as an independent. We would probably play them frequently, if not yearly. This scenario=WIN for us

I don't see scenario 3 happening, but scenario 1 is at worst a toss-up, scenario 4 helps our football schedule, and scenario 2 would be a life raft the school.
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Kansas is in a pickle. Nothing they do will affect UConn - most likely, they remain in a reconstituted Big 12.

metsfan2323 said:
The Big 12 raiding the AAC and not picking UCONN is probably an underrated reason why we left the AAC. I know there were many reasons, but the realization that this might happen would be as good as any.
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The AAC was killing the basketball program. It kinda starts and ends there.
 
Fishy said:
They can’t.



They have less than no chance. They have a negative change.



Kansas is in a pickle. Nothing they do will affect UConn - most likely, they remain in a reconstituted Big 12.



The AAC was killing the basketball program. It kinda starts and ends there.
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How does UConn compete in this new wild west and consolidation of power?
 
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I've read that this may not be a very reliable source. Take it with a grain of salt.
 
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I don't see what value a conference of TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, WVU, Iowa State, Kansas, K State and OSU has to anyone. It is a bunch of third tier markets and schools. Someone may care about Kansas, that's it. They have no TV contract, and ESPN is about to slit the league's throat. How is this league more valuable than the American?

This should help the Big East in negotiations with Fox.
 
We sit tight and I'm not so sure folks won't becoming after us before too long. Like John Silver said, we have sticky fans.
 
Waquoit said:
We sit tight and I'm not so sure folks won't becoming after us before too long. Like John Silver said, we have sticky fans.
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You think the B1G, ACC, or $EC will be calling UConn? We're a mid-major school. There is no chance of that.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
You think the B1G, ACC, or $EC will be calling UConn? We're a mid-major school. There is no chance of that.
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You can't say that with any confidence. This is a paradigm shift, everything goes back to zero. If your first 2 go to 16 teams, I think we have a shot. Clearly a better shot than if we were tethered to the sinking AAC. And don't forget the sticky fans.
 
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Waquoit said:
You can't say that with any confidence. This is a paradigm shift, everything goes back to zero. If your first 2 go to 16 teams, I think we have a shot. Clearly a better shot than if we were tethered to the sinking AAC. And don't forget the sticky fans.
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I agree. Put us in the ACC or B1G and the football program springs back to life fast. For the fans it would be like 2003 on steroids.
 
Let's just hurry up and get to the three 20 team super conferences already.

BIG : + Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, UConn
SEC : + Texas, Oklahoma,, Virginia Tech, NC State, Miami, Notre Dame
PAC12 : +Kansas, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech,, Iowa St, Duke, Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia

The AAC/B12/ACC leftovers can all merge in to the 'leftover conference' with : AAC 11 + BC, Wake Forest, TCU, Kansas St, Baylor, Louisville, BYU
 
Waquoit said:
You can't say that with any confidence. This is a paradigm shift, everything goes back to zero. If your first 2 go to 16 teams, I think we have a shot. Clearly a better shot than if we were tethered to the sinking AAC. And don't forget the sticky fans.
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Football drives the bus. Those big football conferences aren't looking for reclamation projects. They want schools that can contribute right away and add enough revenue so that overall average payout to each school increases. I do not think we meet that criteria and likely never will as a smallish school that's good at basketball once a decade.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
Football drives the bus. Those big football conferences aren't looking for reclamation projects. They want schools that can contribute right away and add enough revenue so that overall average payout to each school increases. I do not think we meet that criteria and likely never will as a smallish school that's good at basketball once a decade.
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The next person that says "football drives the bus" should get a 2 day timeout. Markets drive the bus. EVERYTHING else is secondary.
 
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