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Texas & OK ask to join SEC?

Drew said:
Regarding point 1- the bets are off if you’re upgrading conferences. KU leaves KSU behind to go to the Big 10 100%. There’s zero reason to think they’d choose to leave behind KSU to be peers with Butler. It’s just not logical to think that way.

Regarding point 2- you’re not thinking about NIL monetary generation correctly. Most of your money will be made promoting local and regional businesses. KU has much more incentive for their athletes to maximize their NIL money playing games against ISU, KSU, etc in Kansas City where a vast majority of their alumni live than they do in playing games in Washington DC and Providence RI.
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I'm not sure how you describe upgrade or downgrade. I agree with the premise, but the Big12 will be a zombie going forward with everyone trying to jump. They may very well come to the conclusion it is best to be pro-active.

On NIL, that's all well and good if Kansas wants to modify its sales pitch to be a regional team. To date, they maintain and present a national profile. This new downgraded conference won't hep with that.
 
Storrs South said:
I agree with all of this except the KSU element. As we have now seen with Colorado and Oklahoma, it matters until it doesn't. At the end of the day, the institutions seem to only care about the bottom line and if that means cutting off little brother, so be it.

But to your overall point, yes, the only way it happens is if somehow Big XII dissolves and I don't even know how that would happen (there really is no where for any of these schools to go. KU won't care for any of the new additions but KSU, ISU, Baylor, OSU is enough for now. WVU will definitely put on a full court press to get out and go to the ACC now and probably fail.
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Like I just said in my quote post response to WestHartHusk about KU/KSU- I think the relationship doesn’t matter if they have a chance to upgrade leagues. Certainly KU isn’t turning down the Big Ten or the SEC because they want to be with Kansas State. But when you look at the option of either remaining in a geographically sensical all sports league that includes your primary in-state rival or going independent and joining a bunch of random schools you don’t have history with I think the choice is pretty obvious.

Certainly agree with your second paragraph, even from a league power standpoint KU is probably the “Alpha” of that league. That is the sort of intangible benefit that’s also very difficult to give up and they only way it happens is if someone like the PAC scooped up the Texas schools + OK State and left KU on an island by themselves (would never ever happen).
 
This is going to be total chaos and probably with two more years of near daily speculation AFTER the TX and OK moves to the SEC are official.
 
WestHartHusk said:
I'm not sure how you describe upgrade or downgrade. I agree with the premise, but the Big12 will be a zombie going forward with everyone trying to jump. They may very well come to the conclusion it is best to be pro-active.

On NIL, that's all well and good if Kansas wants to modify its sales pitch to be a regional team. To date, they maintain and present a national profile. This new downgraded conference won't hep with that.
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Upgrading leagues is pretty obvious- if you’re moving to the Big Ten or the SEC from the Big 12 you’re upgrading monetarily substantially and also (yes even in the SEC when comparing to the Big 12) increasing your academic profile.

KU has a national brand yes but the Big East to them isn’t an upgrade, even over the “zombie” B12 which would still include regular games against teams they’ve played for 100+ years in addition to regular games in Texas (where they attract both athletic and non-athletic students) and a brand like WVU. KU has shared conference history all the way back to the Big Six with Iowa State and the Big 8 with Kansas State and OK State. Playing those teams matters to their fan base and their schools. You don’t just give all of that up to, once again, play schools that you’re not peer institutions with, don’t have history with, located in geographic areas you don’t attract students from, and likely still make less money.
 
Drew said:
Upgrading leagues is pretty obvious- if you’re moving to the Big Ten or the SEC from the Big 12 you’re upgrading monetarily substantially and also (yes even in the SEC when comparing to the Big 12) increasing your academic profile.

KU has a national brand yes but the Big East to them isn’t an upgrade, even over the “zombie” B12 which would still include regular games against teams they’ve played for 100+ years. KU has shared conference history all the way back to the Big Six with Iowa State and the Big 8 with Kansas State and OK State. Playing those teams matters to their fan base and their schools. You don’t just give all of that up to, once again, play schools that you’re not peer institutions with, don’t have history with, located in geographic areas you don’t attract students from, and likely still make less money.
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KU is only even considering leaving the B12 if the B12 did something stupid in backfilling (Boise/UCF/Memphis) and/or there's broader poaching that doesn't include them.

Say OU/Texas go to SEC, and for some reason the P12 takes schools around them but not them (hard to see why when they refused a while back), then Kansas might do that.
 
One of the aspects of the NIL which I am struggling to figure out is its impact on which programs can be successful. I think schools that have historically cheated, like the SEC and Big 12, are going to lose a big advantage because now EVERYONE can pay their players. If you are a top hoop recruit, do you think you can get more NIL money in Manhattan, Kansas or Chicago or Milwaukee, or Storrs? If you are a top football recruit, do you want to go to one of the two Alabama schools, or the primary state school that has a bigger alumni base and business presence? Connecticut's GDP is $287 billion. Alabama's is $228 billion. In a world where Auburn and Alabama are in a top conference with schools that are willing to do anything to win, Alabama and Auburn have a huge advantage. Going forward, who knows?

Paige Bueckers and Azzi Fudd may end up making more money than anyone on the Alabama and Auburn football teams.

I don't even know how to guess at the impact of NIL on college sports or conference alignments. I do know it is a game changer though.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
One of the aspects of the NIL which I am struggling to figure out is its impact on which programs can be successful. I think schools that have historically cheated, like the SEC and Big 12, are going to lose a big advantage because now EVERYONE can pay their players. If you are a top hoop recruit, do you think you can get more NIL money in Manhattan, Kansas or Chicago or Milwaukee, or Storrs? If you are a top football recruit, do you want to go to one of the two Alabama schools, or the primary state school that has a bigger alumni base and business presence? Connecticut's GDP is $287 billion. Alabama's is $228 billion. In a world where Auburn and Alabama are in a top conference with schools that are willing to do anything to win, Alabama and Auburn have a huge advantage. Going forward, who knows?

Paige Bueckers and Azzi Fudd may end up making more money than anyone on the Alabama and Auburn football teams.

I don't even know how to guess at the impact of NIL on college sports or conference alignments. I do know it is a game changer though.
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Edsall and Senator Murphy have been vocal supporters of this, hopefully they saw a benefit to UCONN. We are currently having the best football recruiting class we have had in a long time, maybe it's a coincidence and maybe not.
 
Vowelguy said:
Recall that the lesser 8 had a chance to stabilize their conference membership just a few years ago. They took applications and then rejected them all. And we said they would rue that day.
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Knowing realignment history it was probably Texas and Ok that stopped it
 
metsfan2323 said:
Edsall and Senator Murphy have been vocal supporters of this, hopefully they saw a benefit to UCONN. We are currently having the best football recruiting class we have had in a long time, maybe it's a coincidence and maybe not.
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Perhaps Edsall don’t count on a politician to look forward
 
metsfan2323 said:
Why would they implode? There are still some good sports schools left behind. Baylor won the tournament just 3 months ago and Houston was in the final four. Poach the best teams from the AAC and its still a very good football and basketball conference. The implosion only happens if there is P4 expansion beyond just Texas and Oklahoma and Kansas likely gets selected in that scenario. If that were to happen the remnants of the B12 would likely join the AAC and make that conference much better than it is now.

I don't see how the Big East adds anybody.
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I think PAC would take teams like Baylor and Texas Tech.
 
UCFBfan said:
Isn't it nice to make scenarios knowing we are ok in our current situation and not feeling like we need to be on a life boat?? If anything, this will open more games for us to possibly schedule and in a possible long shot move, add KU to the BE
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You realize BE schools media rights are like 10 cents on the dollar of P5 schools. We don't have to worry about the imminent collapse of the BE, but it is still is the island of misfit toys, just a much nicer island.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Edsall and Senator Murphy have been vocal supporters of this, hopefully they saw a benefit to UCONN. We are currently having the best football recruiting class we have had in a long time, maybe it's a coincidence and maybe not.
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I have not really focused on this the last few months, but I hope that UConn had someone working Madison Avenue and Wall Street the last few months. Whichever school establishes itself as THE New York college sports program will have a massive advantage.
 
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This Texas and OU to the SEC story MAY have been leaked intentionally for the two big dogs to get leverage. If I’m the other eight Big 12 schools, I’m seriously considering handing over $10M(x8) of revenue annually (to be split between TX and OU) in exchange for them staying. Hey, that’s an additional $40M per year for each of the two big dogs, if it’s split evenly (Texas would probably ask for the lion’s share from OU). While giving up that money would suck for the other eight schools, it’s better for them to make 20M+ and be in a power conference (with TX and OU) than to make 10M+ and be in a very watered-down Big 12. Also, if I’m the Big Ten, PAC 12, or ACC, I’m inquiring with Texas to see if there’s anything I can entice them with. I’m a little surprised that Texas would prefer the SEC to the Big Ten, considering the actual decision-makers care about academics too. The bottom line is I’m not sold that this is definitely happening (for now).
 
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CL82 said:
You realize BE schools media rights are like 10 cents on the dollar of P5 schools. We don't have to worry about the imminent collapse of the BE, but it is still is the island of misfit toys, just a much nicer island.
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Not exactly. The Big East schools keep their Tier 3 rights, no?
 
pick6s said:
This Texas and OU to the SEC story MAY have been leaked intentionally for the two big dogs to get leverage. If I’m the other eight Big 12 schools, I’m seriously considering handing over $10M(x8) of revenue annually (to be split between TX and OU) in exchange for them staying. Hey, that’s an additional $40M per year for each of the two big dogs, if it’s split evenly (Texas would probably ask for the lion’s share from OU). While giving up that money would suck for the other eight schools, it’s better for them to make 20M+ and be in a power conference (with TX and OU) than to make 10M+ and be in a very watered-down Big 12. Also, if I’m the Big Ten, PAC 12, or ACC, I’m inquiring with Texas to see if there’s anything I can entice them with. The bottom line is I’m not sold that this is definitely happening (for now).
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gampelcrazies said:
I think PAC would take teams like Baylor and Texas Tech.
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Baylor is a religious school. The Pac-12 is not taking a religious school or one with poor academics. You can cross Boise State, BYU, and Baylor off the list right from the start. You can also probably cross off TCU. They're not technically affiliated anymore (other than in name) but the name is still a thing and they require religion as part of their coursework.
 
Slasher said:
Baylor is a religious school. The Pac-12 is not taking a religious school or one with poor academics. You can cross Boise State, BYU, and Baylor off the list right from the start. You can also probably cross off TCU. They're not technically affiliated anymore (other than in name) but the name is still a thing and they require religion as part of their coursework.
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PAC will probably grab UNLV soon. New stadiums they can use, and all leagues on the west coast seem to be rushing there.
 
WestHartHusk said:
PAC will probably grab UNLV soon. New stadiums they can use, and all leagues on the west coast seem to be rushing there.
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There's almost no way the PAC is grabbing UNLV. This is a conference that turned down Oklahoma and Texas because they didn't want to take OSU and Tech on academic grounds.
 
Fishy said:
I’m not sure anything really changes immediately.

But this will effectively be pro sports in a few years and I do not see that ending well for us or anyone outside of the top of the Big Ten or SEC.
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Since college sports has turned into who has the most money UConn should set up offices in Fairfield County. I get that hardly any of them went to UConn but it's our state University and UConn is our pro team. We have the unique advantage of being a small state with an unbelievable concentration of wealth, we should be benefitting from that instead of being outflanked by poor Southern states.
 
superjohn said:
Since college sports has turned into who has the most money UConn should set up offices in Fairfield County. I get that hardly any of them went to UConn but it's our state University and UConn is our pro team. We have the unique advantage of being a small state with an unbelievable concentration of wealth, we should be benefitting from that instead of being outflanked by poor Southern states.
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Isn’t that what UConn Stamford is for…
 
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huskymedic said:
Isn’t that what UConn Stamford is for…
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No, UConn has never tapped into the big money in the state like they should have. CT. is the wealthiest state per capita with hedge fund billionaires littered throughout Fairfield County and they've never tapped into that.
 
gampelcrazies said:
I think PAC would take teams like Baylor and Texas Tech.
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Can you imagine the PR disaster the PAC would deal with by having refused Texas because Tech was attached only to turn around and take the worthless Tech program without Texas?

And Baylor? I can't imagine universities on the West Coast would have any interest in dealing with that school.
 
superjohn said:
No, UConn has never tapped into the big money in the state like they should have. CT. is the wealthiest state per capita with hedge fund billionaires littered throughout Fairfield County and they've never tapped into that.
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I’m referencing location/offices - not past performance.
 
superjohn said:
No, UConn has never tapped into the big money in the state like they should have. CT. is the wealthiest state per capita with hedge fund billionaires littered throughout Fairfield County and they've never tapped into that.
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Very few of those billionaires have ties to UConn. They have ties to Ivy League, etc. It’s not a location issue, it’s relationships.
 
Slasher said:
Baylor is a religious school. The Pac-12 is not taking a religious school or one with poor academics. You can cross Boise State, BYU, and Baylor off the list right from the start. You can also probably cross off TCU. They're not technically affiliated anymore (other than in name) but the name is still a thing and they require religion as part of their coursework.
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The Pac 12 is practically racing backwards in the revenue arms race. I think they can find God if the price is right. I don't think Baylor generates any financial benefit, but BYU could be an extremely valuable partner in an NIL world.

Oregon State and Washington State are not exactly academic powerhouses.
 
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