Texas AD Squashing FSU Talk?

[TuxedoYoda]

I'm sick and tired of these short-term thinking whiners. The ACC has a perfectly acceptable football lineup. The only reason it seems weak is that schools like Florida State have under performed. So has Miami, and Clemson, and North Carolina. Virgina Tech hasn't been quite as good either.

So, other than everyone sucking, it is a helluva football conference.

Just look at the Strength of Schedule rankings from the end of last season.

The football is better in the Big 12 instead of the ACC.
The money to be made is much better in the Big 12 instead of the ACC.....

......AND FSU would be better off academically in the Big 12 than in the ACC:

http://tuxedoyoda.blogspot.com/2012/05/fsu-chose-academics-over-football.html

 

[HuskyHawk]

Did they have more thought? How many traditional rivalries have gone by the wayside? How will new rivalries be created when geography gets in the way? What new rivalries has BC created and if they have none, why do you think SU will be able to create them?

This realignment stinks. I'd say to you that they were incredibly short sighted. I'm not saying this just because UConn is currently on the outside looking in, either. If UConn and Syracuse were joining the ACC I would feel the same way. I've said it right along, 20 years from now people will look back on this period and ask, "What the hell were they thinking?"
...
Seriously, if SU, Pitt and BC wanted to play it smart, they'd be agressively advocating for UConn and Rutgers to get invites. It would be win/win.

Some of the realignment stinks. Some is logical. Utah joining the Pac 10 was logical. Colorado was borderline...they are a decent fit either way. Had the Big 12 invited Utah and Nevada some time ago, Colorado would have been less of an outcast. Nebraska to the Big Ten is logical. They broke ties with OU and Kansas to the south, but are with neighboring Iowa. A&M to the SEC and Missouri to the SEC are about like the Colorado move. Yes, old ties were severed, but they are in contiguous states and have logical new connections. Missouri is close to Arkansas and Kentucky. A&M to Arkansas and LSU. TCU to the Big 12 is logical. All of these moves will make sense 20 years from now.

To the east it gets murky. The moves of VT and Miami made perfect sense. BC did not make sense unless you take the long view that Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and Rutgers would join them. We're half way there. In that light, the Atlantic Cost Conference would have most of the Atlantic Coast FBS programs. Long term, it could be a very stable conference. The one move I can see that made little to no sense is West Virgina to the Big 12. There is just no long term fit. If FSU moved to the Big 12 it would be the same. If the Big 12 wants stability it should look to New Mexico.

None of the Big East moves have any long term chance. At best, there is a chance for Louisville, Cincy, Memphis, CFU, SFU to perhaps combine with some other schools, but Boise and SDSU won't be those schools in the long run. Houston and SMU...maybe. I'm glad the stupid CUSA - MWC merger collapsed. La Tech to CUSA made sense.

 

[docsu]

The one move I can see that made little to no sense is West Virgina to the Big 12. There is just no long term fit.

No but the ACC and SEC didn't want them. They could either join the XII or stay in the Big East.

Which is better?

 

[UConnDan97]

So, other than everyone sucking, it is a helluva football conference.

Just look at the Strength of Schedule rankings from the end of last season.

The football is better in the Big 12 instead of the ACC.
The money to be made is much better in the Big 12 instead of the ACC.....

......AND FSU would be better off academically in the Big 12 than in the ACC:

http://tuxedoyoda.blogspot.com/2012/05/fsu-chose-academics-over-football.html[/quote]

I agree with almost all of this (except the academics, which the FSU BOT Chair has already admitted plays no role in their decisions). I was going to add Duke, Wake, and Maryland to the list, but why go that far.

The thing that bothers me about the "temporary suck" post is that the exact same thing can be said about Houston and SMU also. Except for some reason, those schools don't get the same pass that a school like Wake or Maryland gets, and I can't figure out why, other than the same old biased mentality that has ruined FBS football for quite some time. It's the same mentality that starts Notre Dame in the preseason top 10 every year, only to watch them fall to the 30's in most years. That's also what makes me skeptical about the new 4 team playoff system that will most certainly be just as biased...

 

[freescooter]

I find that hard to disagree with...

I actually do disagree with that perspective. There was a time when the idea of UCONN being a national power in any sport was totally insane. If you suggested it people would laugh out loud. We were, and were seen as, a New England player...not quite at the level of Providence and Hoy Cross in Basketball, not quite the Ivy League or BC in football...The idea that eastern football programs can't compete with the national programs is just silly. Beyond that, the Big 10 isn't going away just because they aren't the SEC. The Big 12 isn't going away because they aren't Texas. There is clearly room for other programs to earn their way into the upper echelon, Boise, Texas Christian, are a couple of examples. West virginia was righ ton the cusp until they made a foolish hire...Virginia Tech is another one...there were those who thought the Big East was crazy to take them in they were just so awful. Now they are a perennial Top 20 team. And people forget that Miami was nothing special until Schnellenberger arrived around 1980...oh every now and then they would show up in the polls, but it was a sometimes thing.

 

[Marty Jackson]

One of the funnier aspects of all this is watching some of you get whipsawed back and forth by every statement that comes out.

Even if this happens, FSU will officially be committed to the ACC and the Big 12 will be officially happy at 10 teams until about four minutes before they announce that FSU has been invited and has accepted an invite to join the Big 12.

What they say and what they think are two different things. What they're doing and what they want to do are two different things. What they say they are committed to and what they are committed to are two different things. Do you really think UConn is happy and committed to the Big East or that they were shocked that the commish walked the plank last week? No, no and no.

Didn't Warde just say he is happy in the Big East, and that's where we're committed?

 

[Marty Jackson]

An honest question - why is it such a great deal for FSU to join the Big 12? They'll be trading the North Carolina schools as their masters for Texas as their master. They'll still have crappy football opponents who won't sell out their stadium. The only place they WANT to go is the SEC, and the SEC is too far downstream academically for their faculty and BOT to accept it; not that the SEC is champing at the bit to offer them, anyway.

I think it's bigger than that. FSU may deal with NC but at least the revenue is shared equally. In Big12, the $'s are not spread equally which means FSU would literally take a back seat to Texas.
Which brings a question... The big12 contract has been mentioned at roughly $20M/school on average. But if it's not spread equally, how big is the disparity? Is WVU going to get $12M while Texas gets $25M?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think it's bigger than that. FSU may deal with NC but at least the revenue is shared equally. In Big12, the $'s are not spread equally which means FSU would literally take a back seat to Texas.
Which brings a question... The big12 contract has been mentioned at roughly $20M/school on average. But if it's not spread equally, how big is the disparity? Is WVU going to get $12M while Texas gets $25M?

FSU is definitely going to be trailing Texas if they stay in the ACC.

The disparity comes in Tier 3 revenues. Texas gets about $15MM a year through the LHN, while Oklahoma may get $6 to $8 million a year depending on which estimate you believe. Apparently a few schools are going to pool their Tier 3 content, and expect to get about $4MM each for it. So Iowa State will be making $25MM a year while FSU is making $17MM. How does that make Seminole fans feel?

 

[The Funster]

Lincoln to Champlaign 445

to Lansing 722

to Bloomington 549

to Iowa City 273

to Minneapolis 328

Should I go on? It's not just the geographical distance but the rivalries that were built over the years. And how is Nebraska more culturally in tune with the Big 10 as opposed to the Big 12? Academically might be stretch too.

In regards to SU, you still haven't answered some of my questions: if FSU and Clemson feel slighted by Tobacco Road what makes you think the northern newcomers will be treated equally? Why do you think SU will flourish in the ACC? BC is the only thing you can look at objectively and try to draw a conclusion from. What about BC would give you confidence?

You want to paint a nice realignment picture for SU. I understand that. It's human nature. The reality is, however, as you pointed out SU bolted because the BE became untenable because of years of weak leadership. Just because SU left a crappy situation does not mean that jumped into a great one. It's not. The ACC has it's own flaws some of which may be serious enough to leave the ACC almost as vulnerable as the Big East was.

Realignment could have been handled better. It could have been dealt with logically and more inclusively. It wasn't, though and we all will have to deal with it. You'll disagree, I understand. Let's see how we feel in 10 years.

 

[Hoophound]

I actually do disagree with that perspective. There was a time when the idea of UCONN being a national power in any sport was totally insane. If you suggested it people would laugh out loud. We were, and were seen as, a New England player...not quite at the level of Providence and Hoy Cross in Basketball, not quite the Ivy League or BC in football...The idea that eastern football programs can't compete with the national programs is just silly. Beyond that, the Big 10 isn't going away just because they aren't the SEC. The Big 12 isn't going away because they aren't Texas. There is clearly room for other programs to earn their way into the upper echelon, Boise, Texas Christian, are a couple of examples. West virginia was righ ton the cusp until they made a foolish hire...Virginia Tech is another one...there were those who thought the Big East was crazy to take them in they were just so awful. Now they are a perennial Top 20 team. And people forget that Miami was nothing special until Schnellenberger arrived around 1980...oh every now and then they would show up in the polls, but it was a sometimes thing.

I agree. What I was really getting at was the fact that FSU wanting to rub elbows with Texas rather than Syracuse just makes sense. They are a huge southern public university with big football aspirations. Syracuse is a northern private with much less in terms of resources, program value etc. The grouping of the big dogs is no surprise.

If a school like UConn is going to make a splash it is going to be because they win games, have a strong and long term coaching staff and play in a conference that they can compete in. In my opinion, the best chance of that happening for schools like UConn, BC, Cuse, Rutgers, UVA, Wake etc is in a conference together whether or not FSU is there. Let the big schools play each other in conference and get paid the most money. They are producing the most money.

 

[docsu]

Lincoln to Champlaign 445

to Lansing 722

to Bloomington 549

to Iowa City 273




Should I go on? It's not just the geographical distance but the rivalries that were built over the years. And how is Nebraska more culturally in tune with the Big 10 as opposed to the Big 12? Academically might be stretch too.

In regards to SU, you still haven't answered some of my questions: if FSU and Clemson feel slighted by Tobacco Road what makes you think the northern newcomers will be treated equally? Why do you think SU will flourish in the ACC? BC is the only thing you can look at objectively and try to draw a conclusion from. What about BC would give you confidence?

You want to paint a nice realignment picture for SU. I understand that. It's human nature. The reality is, however, as you pointed out SU bolted because the BE became untenable because of years of weak leadership. Just because SU left a crappy situation does not mean that jumped into a great one. It's not. The ACC has it's own flaws some of which may be serious enough to leave the ACC almost as vulnerable as the Big East was.

Realignment could have been handled better. It could have been dealt with logically and more inclusively. It wasn't, though and we all will have to deal with it. You'll disagree, I understand. Let's see how we feel in 10 years.

Yes, there are long trips in both conferences. Are the trips in the Big 10 longer? Sure. If you're jumping in a plane anyway, does it make that big of a difference? Probably not.

Nebraska is a big land grant university joining likewise insitutions. And they share revenue equally. And they make sense geographically.

I don't harbor any fantasies about Syracuse joingin the ACC but it certainly is a better situation than staying in a conference that recently extended membership to schools in Idaho, California, and a stray service academy. Certainly more stable than some of the more extrem posters around here would like to believe.

And Syracuse is not Boston College. BC is in a pro sports town with little to no fan support. They're northeastern colleges that are private and are in the same conference. Becasue of this people feel the need to beleive that their desitines are intertwined.

 

[HuskyHawk]

So, other than everyone sucking, it is a helluva football conference.

Just look at the Strength of Schedule rankings from the end of last season.

The football is better in the Big 12 instead of the ACC.
The money to be made is much better in the Big 12 instead of the ACC.....

......AND FSU would be better off academically in the Big 12 than in the ACC:

http://tuxedoyoda.blogspot.com/2012/05/fsu-chose-academics-over-football.html

Who cares about the strength of schedule from last year? Is Houston a better program than Tennessee? Miami has won titles. FSU has won titles. VT, GT and Clemson have been very, very good. Even BC. Maryland has been good, North Carolina has been good. Just because Missouri and Oklahoma State just both recently had the greatest seasons in their history doesn't make them powerhouses (and one is now gone anyway). Kansas won a freaking Orange Bowl a few years ago and now they stink again. In 1990 Colorado looked like team that would be good for years to come. Yes, the Big 12 has an excellent recent history in football. But look at the first 5 BCS championship games. 10 teams (current conf affiliation): SEC: 1 B10: 2 B12: 1 ACC: 6. This is not ancient history. Lately it flipped. It will flip again, and the Pac 10 or Big 10 or even the ACC will go on a run.

 

[UConnDan97]

Who cares about the strength of schedule from last year? Is Houston a better program than Tennessee? Miami has won titles. FSU has won titles. VT, GT and Clemson have been very, very good. Even BC. Maryland has been good, North Carolina has been good. Just because Missouri and Oklahoma State just both recently had the greatest seasons in their history doesn't make them powerhouses (and one is now gone anyway). Kansas won a freaking Orange Bowl a few years ago and now they stink again. In 1990 Colorado looked like team that would be good for years to come. Yes, the Big 12 has an excellent recent history in football. But look at the first 5 BCS championship games. 10 teams (current conf affiliation): SEC: 1 B10: 2 B12: 1 ACC: 6. This is not ancient history. Lately it flipped. It will flip again, and the Pac 10 or Big 10 or even the ACC will go on a run.

Your post cracks me up. It is extremely skewed, from the way you try to marginalize Mizzou and Oklahoma State instead of Maryland and UNC as "short term good teams" to the fact that you were extremely careful to type "current conf affiliation." You did that so that some readers wouldn't realize that the ACC number would go down to 3 (all FSU) and the Big East number would jump to 3 (Miami, Va Tech). Miami and Va Tech haven't been back to the National Championship game since they joined the ACC. That's the whole point of the posts that preceded yours; that especially in the case of Miami, they have name recognition without having the high-powered team of the past.

Are you willing to give SMU credit for 3 national championships as a school? I'm guessing not. How many other programs would have climbed out of the ashes of "The Death Penalty" though, I wonder...

 

[The Funster]

Yes, there are long trips in both conferences. Are the trips in the Big 10 longer? Sure. If you're jumping in a plane anyway, does it make that big of a difference? Probably not.

Nebraska is a big land grant university joining likewise insitutions. And they share revenue equally. And they make sense geographically.

I don't harbor any fantasies about Syracuse joingin the ACC but it certainly is a better situation than staying in a conference that recently extended membership to schools in Idaho, California, and a stray service academy. Certainly more stable than some of the more extrem posters around here would like to believe.

And Syracuse is not Boston College. BC is in a pro sports town with little to no fan support. They're northeastern colleges that are private and are in the same conference. Becasue of this people feel the need to beleive that their desitines are intertwined.

I wish you luck and that is sincere. There is no doubt you're in a better conference than the FrankensteinBigEast. I still think the whole thing could have been handled better. I blame Tranghese and BC more than anybody and wish there was a little more backbone from all the parties that left. Except for Miami, good riddance to them. I'll still not withhold my ire and derision for the SU fans that wish ill on UConn. Karma has a way of kicking ass and I won't resist a chuckle when it does.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I don't harbor any fantasies about Syracuse joingin the ACC but it certainly is a better situation than staying in a conference that recently extended membership to schools in Idaho, California, and a stray service academy. Certainly more stable than some of the more extrem posters around here would like to believe.

And Syracuse is not Boston College. BC is in a pro sports town with little to no fan support. They're northeastern colleges that are private and are in the same conference. Becasue of this people feel the need to beleive that their desitines are intertwined.

You don't get to light fire to our house and then complain about the way we fight it. Syracuse made the Big East unstable.

BCU is in a much better situation than Syracuse. It is in a bigger city that is vibrant and doing well, unlike Syracuse which is a dead factory town.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Who cares about the strength of schedule from last year? Is Houston a better program than Tennessee? Miami has won titles. FSU has won titles. VT, GT and Clemson have been very, very good. Even BC. Maryland has been good, North Carolina has been good. Just because Missouri and Oklahoma State just both recently had the greatest seasons in their history doesn't make them powerhouses (and one is now gone anyway). Kansas won a freaking Orange Bowl a few years ago and now they stink again. In 1990 Colorado looked like team that would be good for years to come. Yes, the Big 12 has an excellent recent history in football. But look at the first 5 BCS championship games. 10 teams (current conf affiliation): SEC: 1 B10: 2 B12: 1 ACC: 6. This is not ancient history. Lately it flipped. It will flip again, and the Pac 10 or Big 10 or even the ACC will go on a run.

How many years since the 2003 realignment has the ACC been better than the Big 12 by any measure? The Big 12 had a rough year in 2007 or so, but otherwise the leagues are not comparable. And the Big 12 just replaced 4 teams that hadn't done much of anything the past 10 years with two programs that have been ranked for most of the past decade. And I am not just talking at the top, where the Big 12 would dominate easily. Top to bottom, the Big 12 has been much better than the ACC in football since realignment, and the difference is only getting bigger.

 

[RS9999X]

FSU is definitely going to be trailing Texas if they stay in the ACC.

The disparity comes in Tier 3 revenues. Texas gets about $15MM a year through the LHN, while Oklahoma may get $6 to $8 million a year depending on which estimate you believe. Apparently a few schools are going to pool their Tier 3 content, and expect to get about $4MM each for it. So Iowa State will be making $25MM a year while FSU is making $17MM. How does that make Seminole fans feel?

Another way to look at it. FSUs Tier 3 Network is held by either IMG ($6.5 mil) or Raycom (who paid $3.5 mil per team built into the ESPN contract). OUs Tier 3 is IMG $7.5 mil and Fox rumored to be worth $4 to $5 mil (still in negotiation--likely much less than the $8 mil mentioned above for Sooner reruns). Maybe a $2.5 mil difference no more.

That leaves the real differences--

1) the ABC/ESPN Tiers I and II shares of the ACC contract are worth about $13 mil average (after deducting RayCom and the ACC Conferecne share) plus

2) ACC Bowl and NCAA Tourney distributions which are worth less than the B12

4) The B12 can add a Conference game.

I figure around $10 mil worst case and it isn't in Tier III.

FSU fans think the whole state is drooling for FSU reruns. Mention the word "Tebow" and the teeth gnashing starts. Kinda like orcs. Say "Tebow reruns" and they start killing each other. Say "NY Jets Games 24/7" and its war.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Your post cracks me up. It is extremely skewed, from the way you try to marginalize Mizzou and Oklahoma State instead of Maryland and UNC as "short term good teams" to the fact that you were extremely careful to type "current conf affiliation." You did that so that some readers wouldn't realize that the ACC number would go down to 3 (all FSU) and the Big East number would jump to 3 (Miami, Va Tech). Miami and Va Tech haven't been back to the National Championship game since they joined the ACC. That's the whole point of the posts that preceded yours; that especially in the case of Miami, they have name recognition without having the high-powered team of the past.

Are you willing to give SMU credit for 3 national championships as a school? I'm guessing not. How many other programs would have climbed out of the ashes of "The Death Penalty" though, I wonder...

Of course I give SMU credit. But Clemson has a title and by that measure GT has four. I think Mizzou and North Carolina are roughly comparable football programs. North Carolina is a more valuable property because of basketball, baseball and academics, but the football programs are not disimilar. Oklahoma State has been ok in the past, but historically, no better than say BC at best. Yes, K-State would clean Maryland's clock during the Snyder years. Before that it would have been the opposite. My point is merely that FSU would be stupid to join a league where it has little in common with the other members rather than upping its own game, and lifting the ACC with them. If it could get into the SEC, then that would make sense.

 

[UConnDan97]

Of course I give SMU credit. But Clemson has a title and by that measure GT has four. I think Mizzou and North Carolina are roughly comparable football programs. North Carolina is a more valuable property because of basketball, baseball and academics, but the football programs are not disimilar. Oklahoma State has been ok in the past, but historically, no better than say BC at best. Yes, K-State would clean Maryland's clock during the Snyder years. Before that it would have been the opposite. My point is merely that FSU would be stupid to join a league where it has little in common with the other members rather than upping its own game, and lifting the ACC with them. If it could get into the SEC, then that would make sense.

I think the point is that, by going to the Big12, Florida State WOULD be upping their game. They are trying to create (or re-create) a buzz about that program in order to win back coveted recruits from the Floridas and Alabamas of the world. It is no secret that the Big East and ACC are thought of as the 5th and 6th best conferences around the country (we don't need to argue which is which; just the fact that the nation believes it is enough). And a 5-star, top 50 recruit is looking at a school like Florida State and saying, "They can't even win the ACC. I'm heading to Texas, LSU, or Alabama." Sure, they will land a couple, but not the way they were landing them in the 90's and early 2000's. If FSU moves to the Big12, they can sell the fact that they are going to go up against the Texas's and Oklahomas of the world. They would love to be in the SEC, but that ain't happening so long as Florida exists. The next best thing is the Big12 for them.

Oh, and there's the extra money...

 

[HuskyHawk]

How many years since the 2003 realignment has the ACC been better than the Big 12 by any measure? The Big 12 had a rough year in 2007 or so, but otherwise the leagues are not comparable. And the Big 12 just replaced 4 teams that hadn't done much of anything the past 10 years with two programs that have been ranked for most of the past decade. And I am not just talking at the top, where the Big 12 would dominate easily. Top to bottom, the Big 12 has been much better than the ACC in football since realignment, and the difference is only getting bigger.

Of course it has. So what? Oregon used to suck. Colorado was great and now sucks. K-State was the worst program in D1A before Snyder. The assumption that the B12, or SEC is on top now and will stay on top and widen its lead is absurd and is not borne out by history. I will freely concede that Oklahoma is good, has been good and will continue to be good. I think the same is true for UT. Apart from that, there are no teams in the Big 12 about which you can make that claim. Do you really think TCU is an upgrade over A&M? That is very shortsighted. Did you predict that Michigan would be mediocre for nearly a decade? That Nebraska would be pretty weak between Osbourne and Pelini? That a crappy glorfied community college in Boise would become a power? Do you think that will last? Really? Maybe Miami will never come back...and maybe they will.

For the record, I'm originally from Big 8 country, went to law school at KU (when they were pretty good believe it or not) and have always rooted for Big 8/12 teams before UConn made the jump. So I'm not biased against the Big 12. I was thrilled when it saved itself from lower tier status by embracing a wide open passing style several years back. It wasn't long ago that the OU wishbone and Nebraska's I formations became ineffective. The suggestion that they can't pull off the same thing at NC State, GT, Clemson or anywhere else is folly. We see it happen over and over again.

 

[Dann]

alot of interesting comments today already. Bobby B said he wants fsu to stay in the acc. all of a sudden JD(b10) is talking and they never talk expansion. Delany on expansion: 'Tectonic plates are still hot' in CFB, so B1G—though it's happy at 12—is monitoring other leagues. also says that the b10 will look to get the pinstripe bowl for next cycle, yes u read that right. the league is worried about cold weather for the bowl game but it wants nyc in the winter. interesting...

edit:
also brian ethridge(sp?) the baylor guy i have talked about before being right on with stuff came out with those 10 teams that contacted the b12 after all the tv stuff came out. those teams were
Louisville, Pitt, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, and BYU.

he talks about how each one of those schools did there homework on tier 3 stuff for each schools and the findings were that a move would get them more $$ in the b12. also with certain combos of these teams for 14 or 16, the leagues contract would be between 25-28 mil per team a year. wow thats a lot. also he said that while tex and possible fsu would have there own networks already in place for tier 3, if certain schools in this group made the move that fox or even nbc would enter into a new tv agreement for the other schools tier 3 stuff which could be valued around another 4mil per team a year. yea, the wheels are turning.

 

[ZooCougar]

Yeah SU is tied for 6th most alums in the NFL hall of fame.

True but, you need to be on Medicare and be on a liquid diet in order actually remember who those people are and/or actually have seen them play.

You might as well be some Yale guy coming here to talk shxt.

 

[docsu]

I was clarifying IMatt's statement. I'm not sure how relevant that stat is today.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Another way to look at it. FSUs Tier 3 Network is held by either IMG ($6.5 mil) or Raycom (who paid $3.5 mil per team built into the ESPN contract). OUs Tier 3 is IMG $7.5 mil and Fox rumored to be worth $4 to $5 mil (still in negotiation--likely much less than the $8 mil mentioned above for Sooner reruns). Maybe a $2.5 mil difference no more.

That leaves the real differences--

1) the ABC/ESPN Tiers I and II shares of the ACC contract are worth about $13 mil average (after deducting RayCom and the ACC Conferecne share) plus

2) ACC Bowl and NCAA Tourney distributions which are worth less than the B12

4) The B12 can add a Conference game.

I figure around $10 mil worst case and it isn't in Tier III.

FSU fans think the whole state is drooling for FSU reruns. Mention the word "Tebow" and the teeth gnashing starts. Kinda like orcs. Say "Tebow reruns" and they start killing each other. Say "NY Jets Games 24/7" and its war.

I am too lazy to look it up, and you probably have it at your fingertips, but that IMG contract isn't a Tier 3 so much as a re-marketing agreement for the university, right? That is completely portable, and something they would get in the Big 12 on top of the Tier 1, 2 and 3, right?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think Delaney sealed the ACC's fate today. How could FSU and Clemson stay if the Big 10 is sniffing round for new members? UNC and UVa are both top prizes for the B1G, and losing those two would do a lot more damage to the ACC than losing FSU and Clemson.

 

[Dann]

I think Delaney sealed the ACC's fate today. How could FSU and Clemson stay if the Big 10 is sniffing round for new members? UNC and UVa are both top prizes for the B1G, and losing those two would do a lot more damage to the ACC than losing FSU and Clemson.

i think so also. but i do also suspect they hes not going to add just 2. i think he will get to 16 on one move (or atleast one decision to add).

nd
uva/unc
md/ruty/uconn/gt
kansas/mizzu/bc

i think this may be his shortlist now.
depending on nd and ruty vs uconn, things are going to get interesting.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The entire list for the Big 10 is:

1) ND
2) Texas
3) UNC
4) UVa





5) Maryland


There is no one else on the list. If the Big 10 wanted Oklahoma, Missouri, Rutgers or any of the other schools you mentioned, they would already have them. ND and Texas are not realistic, but UNC and UVa would be tremendous additions for the Big 10.

Edit: for Delaney to make this statement, it is very possible that conversations are already underway.

 

[The Funster]

The entire list for the Big 10 is:

1) ND
2) Texas
3) UNC
4) UVa





5) Maryland


There is no one else on the list. If the Big 10 wanted Oklahoma, Missouri, Rutgers or any of the other schools you mentioned, they would already have them. ND and Texas are not realistic, but UNC and UVa would be tremendous additions for the Big 10.

Edit: for Delaney to make this statement, it is very possible that conversations are already underway.

What is your basis for this list?

 

[Dann]

with the contract texas is going to get, i don't see them or ok leaving now for a northern conf. they are the big dogs in a conf now that has life compared to a year ago. they can pluck fsu/clem and others along with the b10 getting a couple schools and basically form the bcs 4 team playoff on there own with bids between the big4.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Almost 5th or 6th

Syracuse is the 15th winningest program in Division 1-A college football history

Only USC (11), ND (10), UM (8) and Ohio St (8) have more members in the Pro Football Hall of Fame than Syracuse (7)

Syracuse is the 5th winningest program in Division I college basketball history, trailing only Kentucky, UNC, Kansas and Duke

Syracuse has the 7th highest winning percentage in Division I college basketball history

Football All Americans (by year)

Name Year Team
Horr, Marquis F. (Bill) 1908 First
Schlacter, Christopher P. 1915 First
White, Harold A. 1915 First
Cobb, Alfred R. 1917 First
Alexander, J.A. (Joe) 1918-19-20 First
Usher, Louis C. 1918 First
Gulick, Bertrand 1920 First
MacRae, Edander G. (Pete) 1923 First
Hanson, Victor 1926 First
Steen, James 1934 First
Fleck, Robert R. 1952-53 First
Brown, James N. 1956 First
Luciano, Ronald M. 1958 First
Davis, Roger W. 1959 First
Mautino, Fred J. 1959 First
Yates, Robert E. 1959 First
Davis, Ernest R. 1960-61 First
Killorin, Patrick M. 1964-65 First
Little, Floyd D. 1964, 1965, 1966 First
Brown, Charles E. 1965 First
Bugenhagen, Gary A. 1966 First
Csonka, Lawrence R. 1966-67 First
Kyasky, Anthony J. 1968 First
Ehrmann, Joseph C. 1970 First
Myers, Thomas P. 1971 First
Preston, Raymond N. 1975 First
Monk, J. Arthur 1979 First
Anderson, Gary 1981 First
Charles, Michael 1982 First
Green, Timothy J. 1984-85 First
Gregory, Theodore 1987 First
McPherson, Donald R. 1987 First
Paul, Markus D. 1988 First
Flannery, John 1990 First
Ismail, Qadry R. 1991 First
Gedney, Christopher J. 1992 First
Harrison, Marvin D. 1995 First
Abrams, Kevin R. 1995-96 First
Darius, Donovin L. 1997 First
Johnson, Kevin L. 1998 First
Freeney, Dwight 2001 First

BOWL GAMES (13-9-1)
SEASON BOWL OPPONENT RESULT SCORE
2010 Pinstripe Kansas State W 36-34
2004 Champs Sports Georgia Tech L 14-51
2001 Insight.com Kansas State W 26-3
1999 Music City Kentucky W 20-13
1998 Orange Florida L 10-31
1997 Fiesta Kansas State L 18-35
1996 Liberty Houston W 30-17
1995 Gator Clemson W 41-0
1992 Fiesta Colorado W 26-22
1991 Hall Of Fame Ohio State W 24-17
1990 Aloha Arizona W 28-0
1989 Peach Georgia W 19-18
1988 Hall Of Fame Louisiana State W 23-10
1987 Sugar Auburn T 16-16
1985 Cherry Maryland L 18-35
1979 Independence McNeese State W 31-7
1966 Gator Tennessee L 12-18
1964 Sugar Louisiana State L 10-13
1961 Liberty Miami FL W 15-14
1959 Cotton Texas W 23-14
1958 Orange Oklahoma L 6-21
1956 Cotton Texas Christian L 27-28
1952 Orange Alabama L 6-61