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3uconn said:
It's been down to UConn and VCU for at least a week or two now based on what I've been told.
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Who does VCU even have in the NBA besides Larry Sanders? Nobody else right?
 
boog204 said:
Not sure why people have such a hard time realizing that even though we didn't win championships with all top 10 players, the majority of the major players were top 50-60 guys (off the boards?). That's why losing top 50/60 guys (players we won championships with) to mid-major and crappy major programs is an issue. There is this misconception that JC was pulling all this talent out of thin air. There was a whole thing this summer about how Travis Knight, Adrien, and Freeman were not top recruits. All were in the top 40 at one point. Hell Antric Klaiber was a top 50 player. Also, we all love KO, but he needs to bring in a top, top player (Stone) before we can even remotely consider making comparisons to other "top" recruiters. (?)
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It's an issue if we are losing out on top 50 kids when we don't have a top 25 kid already here at their position.

Purvis, Hamilton and Adams are three top 25 recruits who are all one year apart from each other (Calhoun is top 30-40 and Ollie did need to re-recruit him after the coaching change but for the sake of this discussion, it's fair not to include him). I don't care if Purvis is a transfer - it's a Mickey D's guy a lot of places wanted. Facey and Enoch are second tier guys around 50-75. Brimah was a diamond in the rough, and Cassell looks like a top 50 talent so far, whatever he may have been ranked two years ago when he committed to Maryland, and we get him for three years so it's better than a usual JuCo.

Why is this mix so different than 1999? Three top 30 guards (Purvis-Adams-DHam vs KEA-Rip-Ricky), Cassell/Albie (bench shooter), Jake/Brimah (Diamond in the rough center), Rash/Omar (struggling high-ranked vet), Enoch/Ed (local top 50), Nolan/Souley (big man depth), Samuel/EJ (backcourt depth). The one place there's a clear gap is Free/Facey-Lubin, since Free was in the 30s and Facey was near the bottom of the top 100. But Samuel is better than EJ.
 
bear said:
Who does VCU even have in the NBA besides Larry Sanders? Nobody else right?
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They have Troy Daniels and Jamie Skeen had a cup of coffee as well.
 
bear said:
Who does VCU even have in the NBA besides Larry Sanders? Nobody else right?
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Eric Maynor (pre-Smart) and Troy Daniels has carved out a role as a three-point specialist.
 
aceboon said:
they offered in Sept, he's deciding in Nov, and they weren't actively tracking him during the spring/summer evaluation period. As for the UNC reference, something similar already happened with Kenny Williams and that was before the scandal blew up in their face. Obviously nobody knows if its a done deal if Mack is going to VCU, but they aren't some pushover, in the year 2014 and the immediate future, they're a top 20-25 program.

4. Which school is getting the biggest steal?

Borzello: VCU beating out North Carolina for shooting guard Kenny Williams (No. 79). The Rams were the early favorite, but things looked tough for them once the Tar Heels offered. Shaka Smart and his staff were still able to get a commitment. Williams can really knock down shots from the perimeter and will give the Rams a scorer in the halfcourt.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/col...alyzing-the-early-signing-period?refresh=true
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Okay, I take back what I said. I think following this thread has made it FEEL like they've been on him a lot longer, haha.

And believe me: I'll never worry about UConn's recruiting after the way things played out in 2011. Never ever. I just figured that, between the championship and practice facility, at least one of these kids would've committed by now.


Of course, this whole argument could look pretty silly a couple months from now if Ollie's locking up signatures from Stone an Mack/Jones.
 
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upstater said:
I too am absolutely shaking my head at losing kids to VCU.

Come'on!!!! Ridiculous.

Jeremy Lamb had the right idea. Makes no sense for these kids to stack at the position at a midmajor with very little exposure on TV.

It could be cultural for Mack, but Larrier was from NYC.

I have to say, I was much more sold on Larrier as a player than Mack, so I won't be shaking my head on this as much as I did last year with Larrier. I really liked that kid's game. Mack I am not as thrilled about.

And we do have Hamilton and Purvis for maybe 2 more seasons. After that, we'll need a bigtime frosh to step in. Lucky we're recruiting VJ King nd Mario Kegler, both of whom look fantastic.
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His only competition really will be Jordan Burgess to start at VCU. They could start Cox, Larrier, Mack, Johnson and Williams (who VCU beat NC out for). VCU is only a 5 hour drive from Columbia. VCU also has a 25 mill dollar practice facility being built and a very good coach. The A-10 and AAC are comparable right now in terms of strength. I think UConn is the best place for Mack because his dreams of playing in the NBA will come to fruition here. The system with Ollie will prepare him better than Smart's at VCU. The argument that if you are NBA caliber they will find you has merit. In my opinion it would be expedited under Ollie.

In all fairness. How is this not excellent TV exposure?

http://www.vcuathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/schedule
 
I just want to clarify that I'm not saying that Ollie is a poor recruiter or that I'm worried about his recruiting or whatever. My point is that, if we end up getting Enoch/Adams plus filler after winning a championship and building a great new facility, I'll be concerned. If we get Mack or Jones, I'll feel pretty good. If we get Briscoe or Stone, I'll feel great.
 
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boog204 said:
Not sure why people have such a hard time realizing that even though we didn't win championships with all top 10 players, the majority of the major players were top 50-60 guys (off the boards?). That's why losing top 50/60 guys (players we won championships with) to mid-major and crappy major programs is an issue. There is this misconception that JC was pulling all this talent out of thin air. There was a whole thing this summer about how Travis Knight, Adrien, and Freeman were not top recruits. All were in the top 40 at one point. Hell Antric Klaiber was a top 50 player.

Also, we all love KO, but he needs to bring in a top, top player (Stone) before we can even remotely consider making comparisons to other "top" recruiters. I think there are two threads here about how KO is the next Cal on the recruiting trail. Getting an in-home with Jabari Parker, having countless players "love him," and being a finalist for others does not equate to being compared to (unfortunately) the best recruiter college basketball has seen since the UCLA days. Adams and Enoch are both excellent prospects, but we need to start locking up those plan B guys. Of course this whole thing becomes moot if Mack and Stone pledge.

Just to illustrate our championship squads. Not all top 10 guys, but each one rolled with 2 or 3 top 50 guys.

1999:
pg: Khalid (McD AA)
pg/2g: Ricky (top 50)
sf: Rip (McD AA)
pf: KFree (top 50/60)
c: Jake (top 125)

Rash (top 50), Mouring (top 50), Saunders (top 50), Souley (?)

2004:

pg: Taliek (McD AA)
2g: Ben (top 40)
sf: Denham (top 50)
pf: Boone (top 125)
c: Okafor (top 100)

Charlie V (McD AA), Rashad (top 50), Hilton (top 250)

2011:

pg: Kemba (McD AA)
2g: JLamb (top 60)
sf: Roscoe (top 50)
pf: AO (top 20)
c: TO (top 200?)

Jamal Coombs-McDaniel (top 50), Giff (?), Shabazz (top 80)

2014:

pg: Shabazz (top 80)
pg/2g: Boat (top 60)
sf: Giff (?)
pf: DD (top 15)
c: Nolan (top 200)

Amida (?), Samuel (top 150), Kromah (?)
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So our championship teams have typically had 5 top 75 or so players. But there are 13 scholarship players ... so we get 5/13 = 38% highly regarded players. That's on our best teams.

You don't have to get a great player with every scholarship. KO is doing just fine with recruiting.
 
Can one surmise that since, based on recent reports, there is an all about Battle Royale / Tug-of-War, going on between UCONN and vcu for Mack, that we already have word that we are'nt getting Jones (who out of the clear blue sky and all of a sudden is announcing tomorrow)?

As a result of our possible knowledge of Jones going elsewhere, ,that we have doubled-down / intensified our push for Mack.

I have to think that with one spot open for a WF, if we knew we were the choice for Jones tomorrow, that we would take our foot off the gas for Mack (After all only one spot available).

I'm just trying to see if the various info we are getting tells us where we stand with Mack.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that we will strike out on all 3 WFs of: Clarke, Mack and Jones but that we will redeem ourselves and land Stone. This is just my own opinion but in reality I don't know Sh_t or anymore than anyone else on this board. :)
 
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pj said:
So our championship teams have typically had 5 top 75 or so players. But there are 13 scholarship players ... so we get 5/13 = 38% highly regarded players. That's on our best teams.

You don't have to get a great player with every scholarship. KO is doing just fine with recruiting.
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Oh, I agree... Was trying to illustrate that we won those championships with several "highly regarded players" along with role players and that the attitude that we won with all of these "off the board" guys is totally false.
 
More times than not these kids have to regret their decision to not commit to us.
These kids committing to the likes of VCU, Georgia, UNLV(Larry Johnson's not walking through the door) and South Carolina instead of UCONN is really hard to believe. None of these teams have championship run written all over them. Most have out first weekend potential and some NIT potential.

Maybe it comes down to that they don't want to compete for minutes.

One would think that they would want maximum exposure and play for someone who can get them to the league.

You know what if the fire to compete is not there we are better off not getting them.

I guess they would rather be a big fish in the small pond.
 
Want to watch the Tevin Mack signing today? OF COURSE YOU DO! We'll have it streaming LIVE on http://on.wltx.com/R4PJNQ!
 
If he's released from the LOI and it's down to us and SC, I don't seem him becoming a Gamecock. According to VerbalCommits, they already have 2 SGs committed as part of their '15 class, one of whom (P.J. Dozier) is ranked higher than Mack is on every major recruiting site. Since playing time is a priority with him, we hold the clear advantage there.
 
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