Tennessee 2025, part 2

[HuskyNan]

Funny how no one complains about USC being in the tournament even though their resume is almost identical.

It’s almost like some people still feel the rivalry or something

 

[nwhoopfan]

People are arguing logic vs. metrics. The metrics actually say Tennessee is a 6 seed while logic (record especially over their last 10-12 games) says they should be MUCH lower. The easy answer? The metrics are wrong. To have a 16-13 Tennessee team as the NET 22 is a joke. By that metric alone, Tennessee should be a 6-seed. And oddly enough, 17-13 USC is 23 according to the NET.

And saying that Tennessee had 25 good minutes against UConn or only lost to Texas by 4 is NOT enough to give them a break for the seedings. If a pair of 16-13 team and 17-13 are basically 6-seeds per the NET metrics, then the data they use is flawed.

It's interesting that a few are even talking about either of those teams (Tennessee or USC) missing the tourney. That's not happening, but it does seem the NET and other metrics are flawed and should be fixed.

That's what I keep saying! We see the results the formula is giving us, it's pretty easy to determine that the formula is significantly flawed. It's almost as if losses are meaningless.

How many games would Tennessee have to lose to drop out of the NET Top 25? Or Top 50? They could be 10 games under .500 and the NET would still like them.

I still really believe that RPI was better than NET. It wasn't this nonsensical. And the numbers actually changed after losses.

 

[Vowelguy]

It’s almost like some people still feel the rivalry or something

I hate them more than most (I admire what the Romans did to Carthage and view it as a model for Knoxville), but let's not confuse rivalry with objective analysis.

 

[BRS24]

It’s almost like some people still feel the rivalry or something

I hate them more than most (I admire what the Romans did to Carthage and view it as a model for Knoxville), but let's not confuse rivalry with objective analysis.

Both of you have valid arguments. I would compare it to Auburn / Alabama. The football rivalry hasn't been very competitive over the last few years, however both fan bases, are just as passionate today as they were years and years ago.

As a since passed friend from AL once said, when I asked to date my now wife, her daddy had two questions:

1 - what church do you go to?​

2 - Auburn or Alabama?​

ps - he answered both of them correctly.

 

[HuskyNan]

I hate them more than most (I admire what the Romans did to Carthage and view it as a model for Knoxville), but let's not confuse rivalry with objective analysis.

Objectivity isn’t a requirement to post on fan bulletin boards, including the Boneyard

 

[Vowelguy]

Objectivity isn’t a requirement to post on fan bulletin boards, including the Boneyard

I didnt say it was.

"The NCAA is being biased by picking a team I'm biased against." is a Jedi-mind trick argument, though.

 

[Bone Dog]

I only replied to what I believed to be the question, namely whether Tennessee deserves to be in the tournament somewhere. I think that's obvious, not merely on metrics but also because they're kinda fun to watch, and the NCAA has to consider that. Is the NET flawed? Sure, but it's not the only consideration the committee uses. Is RPI better? Maybe, but that's not germane to the question.

Does Tennessee deserve some special seeding? No, and neither does USC. But it would seem strange to exclude either of them. For one thing, both of them could probably win their first round and maybe second round games.

 

[JstVisiting]

Funny how no one complains about USC being in the tournament even though their resume is almost identical.

Or Nebraska, a team that doesn't even have the one good win.

 

[cancontent]

Or Nebraska, a team that doesn't even have the one good win.

Not sure which threads you have been following, but I disagree. I've seen the fact Nebraska is in Creme's bracket being questioned consistently by several posters over the last few weeks.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Tennessee has completely fallen apart, which makes the very mild quality of their wins less impactful to the mind than the overall train wreck.

But it's not like there are amazing alternatives on the bubble. Certainly the raw talent at UT is much better than anyone you could begin a case to replace them with.

 

[Geew1992]

https://atozsports.com/nashville/volunteers/insider-says-people-program-tennessee-ad-danny-basketball-lady-vols-coach-kim-caldwell/

"Multiple people have gone to the AD, including, I believe, kids around the program and have encouraged him to make a change,” said Basilio. “I don’t think he (White) wants to admit that he made a mistake. But here’s the truth: There are no secrets in sports. Everybody knows this thing is totally volatile. The people they bring in next year, player wise, are going to be brought in for monetary reasons only, and you’re right back where you were. A bunch of people are going to transfer out.”

 

[MSSportsGuy]

Frankly, I don't think the LVs body of work is tournament worthy and I'm generally a fan. Their quality of wins isn't terrific and some of their losses are terrible, even taking out UConn and SC.

There are major problems in Knoxville. Some of the players and their chemistry appear to be toxic but that is on Caldwell. She recruited and assembled the team. She also has stubbornly refused to adjust to their talents and abilities, which are better than their record indicates but not as strong as some fans think. They also, at least to me, don't have many good wins in the big picture.

She should and will get one more season. If her freshmen stick and she swallows her pride to make adjustments next year could be better. However, they are further from success than they ever were with Warlick or Harper.

 

[WBBTakeover]

Frankly, I don't think the LVs body of work is tournament worthy and I'm generally a fan. Their quality of wins isn't terrific and some of their losses are terrible, even taking out UConn and SC.

There are major problems in Knoxville. Some of the players and their chemistry appear to be toxic but that is on Caldwell. She recruited and assembled the team. She also has stubbornly refused to adjust to their talents and abilities, which are better than their record indicates but not as strong as some fans think. They also, at least to me, don't have many good wins in the big picture.

She should and will get one more season. If her freshmen stick and she swallows her pride to make adjustments next year could be better. However, they are further from success than they ever were with Warlick or Harper.

I agree with most of what you've said. However, I do think that Tennessee's overall body of work is tournament caliber. They're just more of an 8/9 seed instead of a 7 or better. Their stay in the NCAA tournament will be a short one.

 

[JellyBean]

I only replied to what I believed to be the question, namely whether Tennessee deserves to be in the tournament somewhere. I think that's obvious, not merely on metrics but also because they're kinda fun to watch, and the NCAA has to consider that. Is the NET flawed? Sure, but it's not the only consideration the committee uses. Is RPI better? Maybe, but that's not germane to the question.

Does Tennessee deserve some special seeding? No, and neither does USC. But it would seem strange to exclude either of them. For one thing, both of them could probably win their first round and maybe second round games.

I will be curious to see how this all plays out for the Lady Vols and USC.