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Phil said:
Time to seriously reconsider the #8 ranking for Tenn. They beat a ranked team early in the year (UNC) but what other signature win do they have? Their fans will try to argue they beat a ranked Georgia team, but we've seen today what a joke they are.

I get that they should be ranked, with a single win over a team that will still be ranked on Monday, (although not every team that has a win over a ranked team is ranked) but why are they in single digits, instead of the 20's?
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Simple.... Because they are Tennessee.
 
I get way too much pleasure out of watching them lose.

I do like Graves, though. Loved her last summer for USA basketball. Shame that she plays on a team that can't get her the ball.
 
Phil said:
Time to seriously reconsider the #8 ranking for Tenn. They beat a ranked team early in the year (UNC) but what other signature win do they have? Their fans will try to argue they beat a ranked Georgia team, but we've seen today what a joke they are.

I get that they should be ranked, with a single win over a team that will still be ranked on Monday, (although not every team that has a win over a ranked team is ranked) but why are they in single digits, instead of the 20's?
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Phil very good point. Today Vandy unranked should've lost to Tenn by 20. Tenn lost by 11. That's a 31 pt difference. The Tenn fans can cry and blame everybody they want. Tenn is not a team. They are an assemblage of very talented players who play one on one basketball and have no idea how to play team basketball. They don't know how to play defense and don't know how to execute on offense.

All good teams have games where they don't play well and can still pull it out. Tenn has a lot of poor games and can't pull them out. In close games if the opponent doesn't choke Tenn in most cases will lose. When you look at how Temple played and Cinn played with less talent against UConn and you see the way their coached then you look at Tenn LSU and Tenn Vandy and you think to yourself...what are they doing. Tenn can not be fixed this late in the season. No one player is going to pull them out and make them a top 5 team. They have the athletes, they don't have the mind set, composure, or attitude to win.

Expectations were high in Tenn this season. Graves was on Team USA, Russell committed and Burdick made the comment they had the best front court in WCBB. For what ever reasons none of this has panned out.
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
TAMU always gets better as the season progresses. I never count out Gary Blair.
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That is the absolute truth- He is one of the best in women's basketball IMO----and he has a lot of raw young talent!
 
Dobbs - I didn't think listing Louisville/Shimmel in that list was a 'sneer', some of those teams are really good but they depend on a single player for a larger portion of their success. That said, I am not sure I would include Louisville because the rest of the cast is pretty good. I also considered Thomas and MD but didn't include for the same reason. The whole issue I was bringing up, is that I think it is an odd year with some prominent teams depending so heavily on single players.

On the TN loss - yes I do enjoy that - though that rivalry has always been tough. Simmons 8/21 and Ariel 1/9 = 9/30 - the rest of the team was 18/33. TN has always been offensively challenged with lots of one on one and the scream of REBOUND. I don't remember the last time they had an inside out offensive plan and they have always relied on their bigs as rebound and put back scorers and not as part of their offensive sets. When they have had intelligent guards with initiative and who are not selfish, those guards have tried to involve the bigs seemingly on their own. Even their last star Parker had to come out to the perimeter to get the ball as she would not get an entry pass if she tried to post up in most cases. I just have not seen Holly or Pat before her run serious offense with ball movement into and out of the post. With Simmons everything seems to have gotten worse, and I am not sure if Ariel is disciplined enough herself to improve with her gone. She is certainly playing better this year (as in shooting better) but I am just not sure she doesn't want to be the next gun slinger when Simmons leaves.

On Graves - I agree with those that praise her play this summer - I was very impressed with her game and I feel sorry for her playing in current TN situation as I don't think she sees the ball unless she collects it off the boards. I do believe she has been dealing with some sort of injury this year, but she should be the best player on that roster.

Here's a question - does Simmons get drafted, and if so where and to what team.

On Edit: Who would have thought TN, KY, and Missouri would all be tied for 6th place in the SEC after 4 games!
 
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UConnCat said:
ND wins 79-72. We'll hear this game is about the strength of the ACC, but Virginia's 8 losses include Tulane and, most recently, Pitt.
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Who would post that? I read the BY fairly frequently and don't see many apologists for the Irish here. Besides, there's no putting lipstick on this pig. That was a bad game for Notre Dame. The game against Clemson was also bad, as was the game against Oregon St. I have faith that Muffet and company will make improvements. That said, this was the first game of the year where Notre Dame only won by single digits, so the Irish have been pretty consistently good this year.
 
UcMiami said:
Just thinking - there seem to be more top teams that are one trick wonders this year than usual -
Stanford - CO
PSU - Lucas
Baylor - Sims
Are there others?
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Was thinking the same thing today
 
Fightin Choke said:
Who would post that? I read the BY fairly frequently and don't see many apologists for the Irish here. Besides, there's no putting lipstick on this pig. That was a bad game for Notre Dame. The game against Clemson was also bad, as was the game against Oregon St. I have faith that Muffet and company will make improvements. That said, this was the first game of the year where Notre Dame only won by single digits, so the Irish have been pretty consistently good this year.
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I wasn't talking about posters on this board; I was talking about Muffet. She didn't disappoint: "Welcome to the ACC," McGraw quipped after her team's first victory by single digits this year.
 
UConnCat said:
I wasn't talking about posters on this board; I was talking about Muffet. She didn't disappoint: "Welcome to the ACC," McGraw quipped after her team's first victory by single digits this year.
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Perfect, Cat.

You set 'em up and Muffet comes through.

Virginia? VIRGINIA????

ND has three really good players. Everyone else is a crap shoot when you play decent teams.
 
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DobbsRover2 said:
Yeah, yeah, we know. Keep flinging your usual Cards crap. Tell me Alex, how many of your "any good" teams have beaten 2 top ten teams? Who are you going to prop up up ahead of Louisville? Are you going to laud Baylor, or MD, even Duke, Stanford, or ND. The standard test of whether you are a good team is whether you can beat the top 10 teams. Louisville has done that, whether you want to pooh-pooh it. Sounds to me like both Louisville and KY are up there, because even if you win "pillow fights" against L-ville and Baylor, point is, you won them. Today, for instance UTenn did not.
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Are you referring to the now unranked Oklahoma (11-6) and Colorado?
 
bballnut90 said:
I haven't seen a ton of basketball this season...but Tennessee just looked bad. No ability to stop Vanderbilt's guards, minimal emphasis to feed the posts (Graves/Harrison/Russell) and poor shooting/decision making by Simmons. For playing 4 years of college basketball, Meighan Simmons has never learned how to share the basketball. Down the stretch she shot the ball whenever she had touched it (even when there was a better shooter/better option available) and doesn't look like she has improved her decision making at all.

Bashaara Graves...what happened to her this year? At this point last season she was regarded as the best freshman in the nation. Nobody would consider her anywhere near Loyd/Stewart at this point.

Maybe this was just a bad showing for Tennessee, but considering how much talent they have in the post, I don't understand why their trio of talented posts (Harrison/Russell/Graves) only took 13 shots (hitting 8 of them) while Simmons was able to launch 21 (and only manage to hit 8)
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Your description of a game I didn't see mirrors the way they play every game.
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
I think I have figured out Kentucky!

I think!!!


With the type of defense the Wildcats play, Mitchell is always rotating players in for the "40 minutes of dread".

I think that hurts the offense. Why? The players cant get into any kind of offense flow because there are so many different players in and out of lineup. If I am a PG, its hard to bring the ball down the floor and look for offense when 8/10 times I am looking at 4 different players.
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I've said that about many teams in the past. Sometimes these excessive substitutions just hinder the flow of the game.
 
I know it is bad and ugly and prolly despicable, but I just can't keep myself from taking a quick trip over yonder to Volnation on occasions like this. I just did, and it did not disappoint. Checkerboard Square must look like Napoleon's retreat from Moscow!
 
Some upsets, some close games, some parity. There are many more talented players in women's basketball. Now if the coaches do their job the way it should be done, the gap will close even more.
 
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HuskyNan said:
Are you referring to the now unranked Oklahoma (11-6) and Colorado?
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Actually Nan, I was talking about how KY beat two top 10 teams called Baylor and Louisville, both of whom are usually talked about as top 10 teams that could make it to the Elite 8. Maybe you have a different view of their abilities, but with UConn's game against Baylor coming up tomorrow, I'm certainly not the one who's going to go belittling them for any reason. Never good to underestimate an opponent. What that has to do with Alex's comment about KY is beyond me, and as far as I know, KY never played either of those teams.

If you want to join Alex in doing the usual "dump on Louisville" club for any reason, well as always, to each his\her own.
 
reno tony said:
Noooooooooooooooooooooo. My fantasy game is UCONN beating TENN for the N.C. in Tenn. :eek:

68 TO GO​
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Well my dream matchup of course would be UCONN vs Duke in the Championship..... well actually my dream matchup would be Duke vs somebody like Hampton,.. North Dakota.. Montana... et al. But UCONN vs TENN would be entertaining....... and would be great for WCBB ratings.
 
DobbsRover2 said:
Actually Nan, I was talking about how KY beat two top 10 teams called Baylor and Louisville, both of whom are usually talked about as top 10 teams that could make it to the Elite 8. Maybe you have a different view of their abilities, but with UConn's game against Baylor coming up tomorrow, I'm certainly not the one who's going to go belittling them for any reason. Never good to underestimate an opponent. What that has to do with Alex's comment about KY is beyond me, and as far as I know, KY never played either of those teams.

If you want to join Alex in doing the usual "dump on Louisville" club for any reason, well as always, to each his\her own.
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Actually in your original post... you typed Louisville when you meant to type KY ... in terms of beating two top 10 teams. I believe thats why Nan asked you about Oklahoma and Colorado

DobbsRover2 said:
Yeah, yeah, we know. Keep flinging your usual Cards crap. Tell me Alex, how many of your "any good" teams have beaten 2 top ten teams? Who are you going to prop up up ahead of Louisville? Are you going to laud Baylor, or MD, even Duke, Stanford, or ND. The standard test of whether you are a good team is whether you can beat the top 10 teams. Louisville has done that, whether you want to pooh-pooh it. Sounds to me like both Louisville and KY are up there, because even if you win "pillow fights" against L-ville and Baylor, point is, you won them. Today, for instance UTenn did not.
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triaddukefan said:
Actually in your original post... you typed Louisville when you meant to type KY ... in terms of beating two top 10 teams. I believe thats why Nan asked you about Oklahoma and Colorado
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Uh, yeah, apologies on that, since two teams from the same state are sometimes hard to pull apart in a post. To get this all straight....... KY has beaten two Top 10 teams that include Louisville and Baylor, both of whom have also shown reasonably good action this year. To say that KY is a pileofpoop team because they don't blow away Mizoo in the first half seems off the mark to me. Both Louisville and Baylor's status as top teams could be questioned, but I still think the Cards' wins over LSU, FSU, Colorado, and OK show that they're not that terrible, and that KY's wins over top 10 teams may indicate that they have some feeble puff of life in them too.

And yes I know that Louisville is really just Shoni since she scores 20% of her team's points, just as UConn is just Stewie since she scores 22% of her team's points. All those "one trick" teams out there should rightly be castigated, just like UConn in 2003 with DT.

Why do we need to drop the acid?
 
DobbsRover2 said:
Actually Nan, I was talking about how KY beat two top 10 teams called Baylor and Louisville, both of whom are usually talked about as top 10 teams that could make it to the Elite 8. Maybe you have a different view of their abilities, but with UConn's game against Baylor coming up tomorrow, I'm certainly not the one who's going to go belittling them for any reason. Never good to underestimate an opponent. What that has to do with Alex's comment about KY is beyond me, and as far as I know, KY never played either of those teams. If you want to join Alex in doing the usual "dump on Louisville" club for any reason, well as always, to each his\her own.
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. Your mancrush on Jeff Walz is kind of disturbing, but to each one's own indeed.
 
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Louisville's eight point shellacking of USF was fantastic!
 
alexrgct said:
Louisville's eight point shellacking of USF was fantastic!
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Sure Alex, your usual poop. The Cards goes to the NC again and all you can do is spit at them because they knocked off beloved Baylor. And again, you hate Jeff so much that today you fall into your usual "oh they're down in the first half so they are truly horrible" routine. Of course after you do that act they go on to win, but to you it's a loss because they're Louisville and because you ejected prematurely again. Whatever.

All I know is that the Cards are #5 in Sagarin and Massey even if they are #355 in Alex's Special Rankings. I think Jeff, Shoni, and the Cards can live with that.

And USF's #58 in Sags, and Massey predicted Louisville would win by 14, so 8 is not that far off. You can spit more bile at the other AAC teams, but I'm believing they have some life in them. Hope that's not too disturbing to you.
 
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DobbsRover2 said:
Sure Alex, your usual poop. The Cards goes to the NC again and all you can do is spit at them because they knocked off beloved Baylor. And again, you hate Jeff so much that today you fall into your usual "oh they're down in the first half so they are truly horrible" routine. Of course after you do that act they go on to win, but to you it's a loss because they're Louisville and because you ejected prematurely again. Whatever.

All I know is that the Cards are #5 in Sagarin and Massey even if they are #355 in Alex's Special Rankings. I think Jeff, Shoni, and the Cards can live with that.

And USF's #58 in Sags, and Massey predicted Louisville would win by 14, so 8 is not that far off. You can spit more bile at the other AAC teams, but I'm believing they have some life in them. Hope that's not too disturbing to you.
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You might want to either simmer down or take it to PM.
 
A few questions for those in the know:

Why didn't Russell log more than 14 min for TN? Thought I read earlier this season that she was as good as advertised as a center.

At this point in the season, aren't you supposed to be tweaking things and adding a few new wrinkles to prep for the NCAA tourney? It seems odd that Holly W was still confounded by TN's defensive effort, when she's said a few times that that's what they worked on the most, and not too much offense . Season is past the halfway point and it's almost too late to be adding and teaching new things, no?

If Simmons pulled a Hartley, ie, volunteered to come off the bench like last year, would it make a huge difference with TN?
 
I hope we have no occasion for a long, long time to test the mettle of we, the Boneyard nation, after a sucky loss. In Vol land a large number are calling for Warlick's head and. a certain number are always in denial and run to "it was the refs, it's always the refs" .

I take no joy in the troubles in the Tenn program. Joy is too tame an emotion. It's closer to ecstasy!:)
 
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