Stephanie Mavunga granted release to transfer

[Alydar]

I think they meant Davis. Honestly, relative to the 2013 class anyone could get it all confused!

No. I meant DeShields. When Davis withdrew her verbal the reaction was to trash her mother. DeShields may have never given the LV's a verbal but they had her penciled in since before she was a HS freshmen. Her mother's ties to Pat and Tenn were continually mentioned, along with DD's many visits to Knoxville wearing orange outfits. The LV fanbase assumed she was their's. When she committed to UNC there were loads of comments from those who claim insider info that UNC had acted unethically and I distinctly remember the use of the word unethical. One of those was the moderator from a LV site who claims to have contacts within the UNC family.

 

[UcMiami]

Do coaches really pursue transfers? JC transfers yes, but are coaches making calls to players/their families/their HS or AAU coaches to express interest, or are they waiting for the player to express interest? Seems much more of the latter.

I really doubt Mavunga will choose another ACC team as it would involve two years sitting - so ND, Louisville, etc just seems very unlikely.

Feel sort of sorry for those remaining on the UNC roster - that roster has been decimated. McDaniel's has one year left, but the team around her is going to struggle.

 

[Husky1964]

ACC would never allow a conf. player to trans to ND same conf.!!!

 

[j66kicker]

No. I meant DeShields. When Davis withdrew her verbal the reaction was to trash her mother. DeShields may have never given the LV's a verbal but they had her penciled in since before she was a HS freshmen. Her mother's ties to Pat and Tenn were continually mentioned, along with DD's many visits to Knoxville wearing orange outfits. The LV fanbase assumed she was their's. When she committed to UNC there were loads of comments from those who claim insider info that UNC had acted unethically and I distinctly remember the use of the word unethical. One of those was the moderator from a LV site who claims to have contacts within the UNC family.

The assumption must be that the only way to get a recruit away from TN is "unethically". Never mind actual evidence. I think the logic goes like this: The premise is that it's a universal truth no right-minded recruit would pick any other school in a fair recruiting battle. Therefore the inference that cheating occurred is ironclad. Actual evidence is not required, and can just be presumed to exist.

 

[ed4ourgirls]

. . . Feel sort of sorry for those remaining on the UNC roster - that roster has been decimated. McDaniel's has one year left, but the team around her is going to struggle.

I suspect some of the "end-of-the-bench" kids at UNC may be silently gleeful
over the prospect of increased minutes this fall.

 

[cferraro04]

The remaining roster at the NoCar Website!

0 Cherry, Jamie Guard 5-8 Fr. Cove City, N.C. (West Craven)
3 Buckland, Megan Guard 6-0 Jr. High Point, N.C. (Bishop McGuinness)
13 Fuller, Hillary Forward 6-2 So. Jacksonville, Fla. (The Potter's House)
22 Bryant, N'Dea Guard 6-0 Jr. Goose Creek, S.C. (Goose Creek)
30 Summers, Hillary Forward 6-2 So. Fayetteville, N.C. (Village Christian Academy)
34 McDaniel, Xylina Forward 6-2 Jr. Columbia, S.C. (Spring Valley)

This is a team with no depth at any position. Sylvia will have to hit the Jr. College circuit hard. Or, she will have to try and recruit 2 or 3 more walk-on players. They will need at least 2 more players. There isn't any more room for additional transfers or North Carolina risks being a program that doesn't field a team. 3 guards 5'8"; 6'0"; 6'0": and 3 forwards - 6'2"; 6'2"; 6'2". Not a very big team in the front court but fairly good size in the back court and no true center. As it stands now, this North Carolina team looks like it will be a cellar dweller.

 

[HuskyFan1125]

The remaining roster at the NoCar Website! 0 Cherry, Jamie Guard 5-8 Fr. Cove City, N.C. (West Craven) 3 Buckland, Megan Guard 6-0 Jr. High Point, N.C. (Bishop McGuinness) 13 Fuller, Hillary Forward 6-2 So. Jacksonville, Fla. (The Potter's House) 22 Bryant, N'Dea Guard 6-0 Jr. Goose Creek, S.C. (Goose Creek) 30 Summers, Hillary Forward 6-2 So. Fayetteville, N.C. (Village Christian Academy) 34 McDaniel, Xylina Forward 6-2 Jr. Columbia, S.C. (Spring Valley) This is a team with no depth at any position. Sylvia will have to hit the Jr. College circuit hard. Or, she will have to try and recruit 2 or 3 more walk-on players. They will need at least 2 more players. There isn't any more room for additional transfers or North Carolina risks being a program that doesn't field a team. 3 guards 5'8"; 6'0"; 6'0": and 3 forwards - 6'2"; 6'2"; 6'2". Not a very big team in the front court but fairly good size in the back court and no true center. As it stands now, this North Carolina team looks like it will be a cellar dweller.

Add in 3 freshman:

5'9 G Destinee Walker
5'9 G Stephanie Watts
6'2 F Eternati Willock

 

[jennyo70]

Even if conference were not an issue, she would not be headed to Louisville. That recruitment ended, shall I say, on a bad note .

 

[huskyharry]

Don't waste any tears on Sylvia. She was up to her uh-oh in the phoney classes scam. Whatever she gets, she has it coming.

Unfortunately, the same is true of Good Ole Roy but it looks like the UNC administration is hoping to have women's basketball be the sacrificial lamb, so that sanctions against the men can be deflected.

 

[Gus Mahler]

Finally, I doubt Geno feels a need to counter any buzz surrounding SC.

I agree. He's got plenty of buzz now.

And wouldn't Mavunga be in the same class as Butler? He would be much better off getting a big from a succeeding class, preferably by recruitment.

 

[VolFan]

I seem to remember that when DeShields withdrew her verbal to Tenn and picked UNC there were several Tenn "insiders" who posted that the LV staff was upset by what they referred to as "underhanded" and "unethical" tactics by UNC. Maybe UNC sees something underhanded with Cooper and DeShields suddenly both kicking UNC to the curb and going to Tenn? Or maybe UNC didn't appreciate the nasty accusations 2 years ago coming out of Knutsville?

What goes around comes around.

That's pretty impressive that you remember a verbal that never happened...

 

[Lurker]

.... Sylvia will have to hit the Jr. College circuit hard. Or, she will have to try and recruit 2 or 3 more walk-on players. ....

Hmm... Do people really think that Sylvia is going to survive this fiasco? As this continues to play out, it seems to me that the university is going to start looking hard at those who enabled it to happen/facilitated it so the university can separate itself from those responsible for an incredible embarrassment. I'm betting that Sylvia conveniently "retires" - likely for "health" reasons - as soon as the university comes up with a way to backfill the coach position. Why would the university pay Sylvia money for years of future dreadful records when they can separate themselves from her salary and her errors in judgement?

 

[Alydar]

That's pretty impressive that you remember a verbal that never happened...

If you had read down a couple of posts you'd see that it was already pointed out and that I clarified my post.

No. I meant DeShields. When Davis withdrew her verbal the reaction was to trash her mother. DeShields may have never given the LV's a verbal but they had her penciled in since before she was a HS freshmen. Her mother's ties to Pat and Tenn were continually mentioned, along with DD's many visits to Knoxville wearing orange outfits. The LV fanbase assumed she was their's. When she committed to UNC there were loads of comments from those who claim insider info that UNC had acted unethically and I distinctly remember the use of the word unethical. One of those was the moderator from a LV site who claims to have contacts within the UNC family.

 

[triaddukefan]

She is very good but she has some real deficiencies, too. Turner put up 29 pts, 18 rebounds, and 7 blocks against UNC this year, and Mavunga is only a 50% shooter, which is poor for a center.

I think she'd be an asset for any team but her best role might be as a complementary player.

Mavunga takes a good number of shots outside of the paint though.... Ive always considered her to be more of a PF.

 

[DaddyChoc]

No. I meant DeShields. When Davis withdrew her verbal the reaction was to trash her mother. DeShields may have never given the LV's a verbal but they had her penciled in since before she was a HS freshmen. Her mother's ties to Pat and Tenn were continually mentioned, along with DD's many visits to Knoxville wearing orange outfits. The LV fanbase assumed she was their's. When she committed to UNC there were loads of comments from those who claim insider info that UNC had acted unethically and I distinctly remember the use of the word unethical. One of those was the moderator from a LV site who claims to have contacts within the UNC family.

UConn fans (well BY posters) did as well

 

[Orangutan]

Mavunga takes a good number of shots outside of the paint though.... Ive always considered her to be more of a PF.

I'm not sure she should take those shots.

 

[CocoHusky]

WCBB fans,
Is there anything that anyone is willing to go public with (other than speculation) to indicate that the UNC WCBB player transfers are being blocked or restricted by UNC in anyway? I would find this to be more disturbing than the pompousness of KSU in with Romero - worth of a public relations campaign.

 

[Volup1]

Tennessee just went through such a transfer process with Jannah Tucker, who wanted to transfer to a school closer to home. It works this way:
1) The player informs her coach of her desire to transfer and submits a list of schools or a school to which she woul like to transfer. (Jannah had a list of at least four schools.)
2) The player's existing institution will either approve or disapprove a possible transfer to each of the schools on her list. The school has total discretion to make these approvals or disapprovals. The player has no say. The school does not have to give a reason for disapproval nor is there an appeal process for the player. (Jannah's schools were all approved for contact by Tennessee.)
3) The player next contacts those approved schools she wants to investigate. Her list is not made public by the institution and no school (on or off the list) is permitted to contact her first based on hearsay.
4) The player is then free to make first contact with or transfer to any school on her approved list.
5) Once initial contact is made by the player, the school is free to enter into the transfer process with the student athlete if it wishes to do so.

Personally, I think the above process is flawed in that it can allow a coach's hard feelings in the heat of the moment to enter into the the player's transfer decision--and, if this should happen, there is no process for the player to challenge the school's decision. In other words, the player has no recourse against any unwarranted or unreasonable restrictions their school may have imposed on them.

 

[CocoHusky]

Tennessee just went through such a transfer process with Jannah Tucker, who wanted to transfer to a school closer to home. It works this way:
1) The player informs her coach of her desire to transfer and submits a list of schools or a school to which she woul like to transfer. (Jannah had a list of at least four schools.)
2) The player's existing institution will either approve or disapprove a possible transfer to each of the schools on her list. The school has total discretion to make these approvals or disapprovals. The player has no say. The school does not have to give a reason for disapproval nor is there an appeal process for the player. (Jannah's schools were all approved for contact by Tennessee.)
3) The player next contacts those approved schools she wants to investigate. Her list is not made public by the institution and no school (on or off the list) is permitted to contact her first based on hearsay.
4) The player is then free to make first contact with or transfer to any school on her approved list.
5) Once initial contact is made by the player, the school is free to enter into the transfer process with the student athlete if it wishes to do so.

Personally, I think the above process is flawed in that it can allow a coach's hard feelings in the heat of the moment to enter into the the player's transfer decision--and, if this should happen, there is no process for the player to challenge the school's decision. In other words, the player has no recourse against any unwarranted or unreasonable restrictions their school may have imposed on them.

Thanks very much for the eye opening rundown. A player that request a transfer must have a pretty good idea of where they want to go, but is restricted from contacting those school to see if there is mutual interest?

 

[UcMiami]

Tennessee just went through such a transfer process with Jannah Tucker, who wanted to transfer to a school closer to home. It works this way:
1) The player informs her coach of her desire to transfer and submits a list of schools or a school to which she woul like to transfer. (Jannah had a list of at least four schools.)
2) The player's existing institution will either approve or disapprove a possible transfer to each of the schools on her list. The school has total discretion to make these approvals or disapprovals. The player has no say. The school does not have to give a reason for disapproval nor is there an appeal process for the player. (Jannah's schools were all approved for contact by Tennessee.)
3) The player next contacts those approved schools she wants to investigate. Her list is not made public by the institution and no school (on or off the list) is permitted to contact her first based on hearsay.
4) The player is then free to make first contact with or transfer to any school on her approved list.
5) Once initial contact is made by the player, the school is free to enter into the transfer process with the student athlete if it wishes to do so.

Personally, I think the above process is flawed in that it can allow a coach's hard feelings in the heat of the moment to enter into the the player's transfer decision--and, if this should happen, there is no process for the player to challenge the school's decision. In other words, the player has no recourse against any unwarranted or unreasonable restrictions their school may have imposed on them.

There are variations on this process -
1. The athlete is not required to provide a list in all instances, and the school can in turn provide the athlete with a list they will not approve - or any combination of the above.
2. Some schools do have a formalized process of appeal for their athletes. This was true with KSU though the appeal process is pretty one-sided.

 

[CocoHusky]

There are variations on this process -
1. The athlete is not required to provide a list in all instances, and the school can in turn provide the athlete with a list they will not approve - or any combination of the above.
2. Some schools do have a formalized process of appeal for their athletes. This was true with KSU though the appeal process is pretty one-sided.

Are any of these list (agreements) binding to the transferred player, departing school, receiving school? Who would enforce these agreements in this scenario: A player has decided they want to transfer, same player present a list to school, school modifies the list and grants a transfer, Player contacts an entirely different school not on any of the previous list, and decided to play at that school?

 

[kat0189]

You know, come to think of it, UNC isn't in terrible shape when you look further ahead.

Watts is supposed to be a legit McD's AA guard who IIRC can shoot. Walker, another McD's AA, is supposed to be one of the best shooters after KLS in her class, and she made a USA team last summer I believe. Paris Kea the transfer from Vandy seems like a great PG as she also made the USA team last summer I believe, and she'll have help at PG with returner Cherry, a small but promising local player.

They'll be a young squad next year. Xylina McDaniel, though versatile, will probably have to play more close to the hoop. Not sure when she got injured and if they have 1 or 2 years left of her.

I was not that impressed by the incoming Canadian forward Willock from her last FIBA outing, but was then told she had a nagging injury and is actually a solid, athletic player. Still plenty of time to make up ground with the 2016 recruiting class. If they can sign a solid post or two from there, they will actually potentially be in great shape, at least by the time the incoming freshmen are more experienced.

Obviously, losing all of that #1 c/o 2013 hurts. Had they known it would unravel like this, they might have been able to keep those big Day sisters (now at Syracuse after initially making early verbals to UNC). Furthermore, they might really gone after some local players like Mone Jones (suiting up for UVA), or even perhaps had a better shot at Jatarie White. But the cupboard is far from empty. They can rebuild with a couple more puzzle pieces and some time.

 

[BlueDevils]

I'm sorry but I'm not high on Mavunga. This is a player who plays a little bit out of control for my liking. I see her only reaching true potential with good coaching.

 

[mtsuraider06]

Yes, Gray was blocked from contacting Tennessee by UNC, but was allowed to talk to Kentucky & South Carolina, Tennessee's SEC rivals. Tennessee was on the list submitted by Gray, and was crossed off the list by UNC. Some won't believe that, and that's ok. You don't have to.

I posted in that thread that Gray to USC was likely to happen shortly, and it happened later on Friday.

Mavunga was granted an unconditional release, so she can talk to any school she wants. I don't know if Tennessee will be one of them or not.

I'm not giving a source, as much as some would like it. Just know that when I do post, I do know what I'm talking about.

 

[kat0189]

I'm sorry but I'm not high on Mavunga. This is a player who plays a little bit out of control for my liking. I see her only reaching true potential with good coaching.

From what I've seen, I agree she is a bit raw. But at times her athleticism/springy legs/explosiveness looks to be almost up there with Nneka Ogwumike, and Mavunga is actually taller and stronger than Nneka. Still, I am by no means saying she is a Nneka Ogwumike at this point! Certainly not nearly as skilled, versatile, and efficient right now. Just that the physical potential is there. I recall there being mixed reviews of her in high school as well. IIRC, she put up big numbers (right behind Greenwell and Russell) for the U16 team and was ranked top 3-5 by some. But then other lackluster performers had other rankers place her outside of the top 20 even.

 

[Alydar]

Yes, Gray was blocked from contacting Tennessee by UNC, but was allowed to talk to Kentucky & South Carolina, Tennessee's SEC rivals. Tennessee was on the list submitted by Gray, and was crossed off the list by UNC. Some won't believe that, and that's ok. You don't have to.

I posted in that thread that Gray to USC was likely to happen shortly, and it happened later on Friday.

Mavunga was granted an unconditional release, so she can talk to any school she wants. I don't know if Tennessee will be one of them or not.

I'm not giving a source, as much as some would like it. Just know that when I do post, I do know what I'm talking about.

I have no basis in which to know whether you know anything. But since you claim to know that Tenn was on the list, how about telling us who else was on that list. If you can divulge one name on it, why not the rest? It might help your credibility if you could give us the entire list. If not, it would seem you got you information via heresay from the LV program, not the most believable source in this situation.

But let's assume you are right and only Tenn was on the "do not transfer to" list. Why? SH didn't disallow DD from transferring to Tenn? She is letting Mavunga go wherever she wants outside the ACC? Why should she suddenly change her attitude with respect to Gray and Tenn? Maybe someone connected to the LV program contacted Gray? Someone who has a history of promoting other players to join her? That makes more sense to me than the "Sylvia just hates Tenn" comments posted on some boards.

 

[VAUConnFan]

Diamond DeShields has far too many personal ties to Tennessee to be denied the opportunity to join the Lady Vols. It would be akin to Coach Auriemma hypothetically preventing Shea Ralph from transferring to North Carolina.

 

[BlueDevils]

Yes, Gray was blocked from contacting Tennessee by UNC, but was allowed to talk to Kentucky & South Carolina, Tennessee's SEC rivals. Tennessee was on the list submitted by Gray, and was crossed off the list by UNC. Some won't believe that, and that's ok. You don't have to.

I posted in that thread that Gray to USC was likely to happen shortly, and it happened later on Friday.

Mavunga was granted an unconditional release, so she can talk to any school she wants. I don't know if Tennessee will be one of them or not.

I'm not giving a source, as much as some would like it. Just know that when I do post, I do know what I'm talking about.

Touche. Time shall tell

 

[DaddyChoc]

Touche. Time shall tell

he's the source of the source

 

[Alydar]

Diamond DeShields has far too many personal ties to Tennessee to be denied the opportunity to join the Lady Vols. It would be akin to Coach Auriemma hypothetically preventing Shea Ralph from transferring to North Carolina.

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Still not over Shea picking Geno over Pat?


Let's put aside the fact that her "tie" is that her mother attended the school. It isn't like she was born in TBA. I wasn't talking about DeShields' transfer. It's Gray's.

I was talking about why Gray was denied Tenn as a transfer school. It may well be that DeShields talked to her about transfering before Gray was ever given permission to talk to other schools and Hatchell found out. This wouldn't be the first time Diamond tried to lure others to a target school. This is just speculation but it's a better explanation than just saying that Sylvia just hates Tenn or is jealous of Tenn.