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You either have a short memory or you haven't seen Bueckers when she gets a clean outlet pass. She doesn't need to dribble half the length of the court, she sees the court in advance and beats the defense down court with her passing.
Don't disagree on your observations about Paige but you may want to rewatch a few of last seasons games again and note how many of Nika's 284 assists came in situations as you describe, a good number hitting her cutting teammate so they could easily finish at that basket. While your at it you could check out their freshman year, Paige was on the receiving end of a few of those. Why fans aspirations would not be to witness a second coming of Diane's and Sue's co-200 assist season is beyond me.....
 
Nika will start alongside Paige and they’ll share PG duties. Why is this even a discussion?
Who is the best point guard on this (healthy) team? Clearly Paige! Best shooting guard? Clearly Azzi! Best wing/small forward? Clearly Caroline/Aubrey! Best power forward? Clearly Aaliyah! Best center? Ice/Jana! Sure, Paige is probably the best at three different positions, but her skill at the point and Azzi’s at the 2 are such that those are likely their optimal positions!
Obviously, I (or anyone else) don’t know what Geno will choose to do in terms of a starting lineup but to act like it’s inconceivable that Nika might not start is simply ludicrous! At every position available to Nika we have someone better. Her chance of starting lies in intangibles, not superior playing ability. Now it may be that those intangibles outweigh the skill difference and Geno decides her value to the overall functioning of the team warrants relegating a “better” player to playing backup. That happens sometimes! Sure, she may be the starting pg or she may be the backup to Paige! Either way, she will still be a big, important part of the team! Why is that not enough?
 
Who is the best point guard on this (healthy) team? Clearly Paige! Best shooting guard? Clearly Azzi! Best wing/small forward? Clearly Caroline/Aubrey! Best power forward? Clearly Aaliyah! Best center? Ice/Jana! Sure, Paige is probably the best at three different positions, but her skill at the point and Azzi’s at the 2 are such that those are likely their optimal positions!
Obviously, I (or anyone else) don’t know what Geno will choose to do in terms of a starting lineup but to act like it’s inconceivable that Nika might not start is simply ludicrous! At every position available to Nika we have someone better. Her chance of starting lies in intangibles, not superior playing ability. Now it may be that those intangibles outweigh the skill difference and Geno decides her value to the overall functioning of the team warrants relegating a “better” player to playing backup. That happens sometimes! Sure, she may be the starting pg or she may be the backup to Paige! Either way, she will still be a big, important part of the team! Why is that not enough?
Honestly it is inconceivable Nika won’t start. Geno has played positionless basketball for two decades. He’s not about to start now just to justify taking Nika out of the starting line-up. Nits not even about Paige, it’s the fact that she has out played both Aubrey and Carolina in her three seasons here offensively and is a better perimeter defender than both. To put either of them over her in the starting line-up based on past performance is silly and not based on actual performance.

There won’t be a starting point guard next year, there will be three starting guards, two of which can play point guard.
 
Honestly it is inconceivable Nika won’t start. Geno has played positionless basketball for two decades. He’s not about to start now just to justify taking Nika out of the starting line-up. Nits not even about Paige, it’s the fact that she has out played both Aubrey and Carolina in her three seasons here offensively and is a better perimeter defender than both. To put either of them over her in the starting line-up based on past performance is silly and not based on actual performance.

There won’t be a starting point guard next year, there will be three starting guards, two of which can play point guard.
When healthy, Aubrey is a much better perimeter defender than Nika. Much more athletic, much longer wingspan, quicker, etc. Geno usually puts her on the best scorer, if that's on the perimeter or even the 4.
 
Bird, Taurasi, Bueckers, Fudd, Muhl

Of the four, who doesn't fit? (hint: it's not their defense) Any player a notch below the four will have a very successful career as a pro. Muhl's problem is that she can only play one position and isn't a big scorer while best pg who ever was is also a pg. In order for Muhl to start, either Bueckers or Fudd, along with Griffin and Edwards will have to play out of their natural and best positions.

Geno could start 3 guards and let Griffin and Edwards handle all the physical work. What I don't like about that is that 2 starters would be weak scorers.
But if Muhl came off the bench then Brady could play the post and the other four would be in their best positions.
I think Muhl will play more minutes at pg than Bueckers but with a minute left and down 5 who do you want running the offense? Or up 5 with 2 min left and facing a press who do you want bringing up the ball?

Of course the players themselves determine who the coaches decide to start but right now Fudd Bueckers Griffin and Edwards are starting and I think UConn will be better with Brady then they will with Muhl. And again this is only about starting.

Caveat: There are several players whose play from now till November could change everything I said. The well is very deep.
I don’t agree with your entire context here. First off why do you even bring up the point” with a minute left?” Where did anyone e suggest that they don’t want the ball in Paige’s hands with a minute left? So, why did you bring that up? You’ve invented an argument that never existed.

Secondly, we have to realize that college ball in not pro ball. As a result, you and many others often mention “natrual position . . .” As a UCONN fan, how can anyone talk about “natrual position” when over the past 30 years Geno has shown over and over and over and over, he doesn’t care about “natrual position?”

Just look at 3 years ago. Geno started Nika over Aubrey. As a result, Geno moved Paige off-the-ball. No longer the pg. He moved CWill to sf. No longer the sg. It’s always bene this way because “natural college positions” are different than natural pro positions.”. Always. It’s why Gabby played PF. SO did Tuck. And Tuck even played center. He had the great Maya Moore play out of her sf position to play PF at UCONN. Examples like this have been done by Geno throughout.

The “natural position” argument is completely missing the point. To further that, as I’ve stayed on another past, when Nika bring up the ball and is starting, she has 3 out of 4 all-Americans to pass to. That’s 75%. Unless Ducharme is on a roll, Paige has 50% to pas to, 50% is not superior to 75%.

And as stated on a prior email, UCONN is not going to play one-player basketball like Iowa. Geno recruits other H/S A/A’s. And that’s why the team Geno puts forth goes on to win 11 championships and 14 straight Final Fours. And it’s why the style Iowa is forced to play is fleeting. H/S A’a’s that commit to UCONN don’t want to watch the one-player show that Iowa has to do. They didn’t come to UCONN to only set picks for 1 player or hang out at the 3-point line to wait for thhe only 1 player to make a move. The pros are far different. They will have no problem doing this. They get paid. That’s why in part the pro game is different than the college game and why it’s completely irrelevant to talk about “natrual position” at UCONN when he has a team loaded with versatility and young kids seeking desperately to learn. That’s not the pros.
 
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Who is the best point guard on this (healthy) team? Clearly Paige! Best shooting guard? Clearly Azzi! Best wing/small forward? Clearly Caroline/Aubrey! Best power forward? Clearly Aaliyah! Best center? Ice/Jana! Sure, Paige is probably the best at three different positions, but her skill at the point and Azzi’s at the 2 are such that those are likely their optimal positions!
The bold is not true at all. IMo way off. Paige is without a doubt far superior far superior to Aubrey. And it's not close. Aubrey can't shoot well. No matter what else she deos, Paige's Offense at that spot is far far superior/way more offsets any impact Aubrey can overall produce.

With Caroline - she just hasn't played a full season yet so I won't say "far superior.." I'll leave it blank because I of the degree of impact is hard to characterize. Paige si a phenom at 1/2/3 spots. What was the big differecne betwen Paige playing SG or SF her freshman year vs Cwill? Did CWill guard the quicker player? SO if that were true it may have meant Paige gaurded the taller/more isnide-oreinted wing player on the other team?

And on Offense in UCONN's motion offense, how much differecne is there betwen Paige being as 2 or 3 back in her forsh year? In this case we couldn't have referred to them as Wings? Why not?
 
When healthy, Aubrey is a much better perimeter defender than Nika. Much more athletic, much longer wingspan, quicker, etc. Geno usually puts her on the best scorer, if that's on the perimeter or even the 4.
I disagree, she tends to lose players on the perimeter a lot and isn’t great at defending the three. Aubrey can make some draw dropping defensive plays but she lacks the consistent focus Nika has at that end to be our top perimeter defender.
 
A few figures to give a bit of perspective. i looked at team total points for the 22-23 season and total points and assists for three players, Aaliyah, Lou and Nika. I doubled assists and added in total assists divided by 4 (to allow for 3pt shots - about 25% of all shots) to get a point total of offense related to assists. That number was then added to total points for each player. I then figured out the % of total team points each player was a part of (whether by scoring or assisting). Lou's total was 25%, Aaliyah's total was 30% and Nika's total was 32%. Paige's freshman undisputed POY season, total was 39%.

I then figured the percent of both Paige and Nika's production that was generated by assists. Paige's percent was 39% and Nika's was 71%. So Paige's production was about 60% from scoring and 40% from assisting. Nika's was about 30% from scoring and 70% from assisting.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm thinking next season with Paige's overall offense added to a lineup that includes classmates Aaliyah and Nika, super senior Aubrey and juniors Azzi and Caroline as a core 6 supplemented with an experienced Amari, Ines and Ayanna, the debut of ICE along with the four in our outstanding freshman class we are going to be bad for basketball at a minimum!
 
When healthy, Aubrey is a much better perimeter defender than Nika. Much more athletic, much longer wingspan, quicker, etc. Geno usually puts her on the best scorer, if that's on the perimeter or even the 4.
In the Iowa game, Nika was the only UConn player that played 40 minutes and was the person that hindered Clark so much that she whined about her in the huddle that she needed her teammates to get that #10 off her back. As for the Aubrey being the better perimeter defender it depends on who she is guarding. Nika was usually guarding the opposing team PG, while Aubrey was usually guarding the 3 or 4 position player, both got 50 steals last season. Nika was one of only 4 players on the team that had more assists than T/O's, 284 to 127. The other 3 were Dorka 92 to 60, Ines 29 to 25, and Azzi 29 to 26, Aubrey had 44 to 64.
 
Paige had a truly exceptional season during her freshman year but it did not measure up to Clark's season--Clark was an even more dynamic scorer and she took down one of the best teams this decade in S.C. Clark got the "hype" because she was the hype... Clark is the equivalent of Paige and then some...
Paige was just a freshman. According to reports, she was playing her best basketball just before her ACL injury.
 
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I recently rewatched almost every game Paige played in at UConn, and she’s not as good as Nika is at this. Nika pushes every single time without fail, it’s automatic. Paige prefers to walk it up, she can push and when she does it can be spectacular but she’s not at Nikas level with pushing pace.
I want Nika to start as point guard and Paige to be the shooting guard, but the difference you are bringing up is not related to skill. If Geno wants Paige to push the ball up like Nika, Paige can do it. In the end it’s Geno’s decision. Paige is the better point guard in almost every way or maybe in every way.
 
In the Iowa game, Nika was the only UConn player that played 40 minutes and was the person that hindered Clark so much that she whined about her in the huddle that she needed her teammates to get that #10 off her back. As for the Aubrey being the better perimeter defender it depends on who she is guarding. Nika was usually guarding the opposing team PG, while Aubrey was usually guarding the 3 or 4 position player, both got 50 steals last season. Nika was one of only 4 players on the team that had more assists than T/O's, 284 to 127. The other 3 were Dorka 92 to 60, Ines 29 to 25, and Azzi 29 to 26, Aubrey had 44 to 64.
In fact for anyone in interested watching that game again they can get the direct quote Holly reported I belevei it was at end of 3rd quarter/ to start the 4th or maybe just after that during a huddle Clark was telling her teammates that Muhl was all over her and she needed her teammates help to get Muhl out of her face.

It's a direct quote during the game. Vs a super elite player in which the super player made the comment.
 
A healthy Paige will simply not allow anyone to take over her position as starting point guard for a champion UConn WBB Team!
What???

She ":alowed" it her freshman year. Did you miss the whole 2nd half of her freshman year and miss the South Carolina game in her freshman year when she played near the whole game off the ball while Nika was the pg?
 
To start the game and for 20+ minutes there will be 3 guards on the floor, Nika, Paige, and Azzi. Any of the 3 can bring the ball up the court, but more often than not it will be Nika throwing dimes to whoever is on the break or cutting. Why is this so outlandish and controversial?

Is Paige a great PG? Yes. She also a great SG. I don't think her productivity drops off at all at the SG position. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that it's better if Paige gets the first pass rather than makes the first pass. The same with Azzi.

At the other end of the court, how many of these 3 guards have been BE DPOY and done it twice? All the more reason to believe there will be 3 guards on the court.
 
Nika is a very good 6th or 7th player, but she doesnt have the skill set required of a PG on a starting Title team. Paige should play "point" - similar to Caitlin Clark - and if KK is as good as advertised, she'll get meaningful minutes at the point as well. Title teams have to be able to score in multiple ways or else a good defensive team will lock down on our weaknesses. This has been UConn's achilles heel for most of the past 10 years in FF games.

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I dont think that Geno will start a freshman to start the season. We have players with experience that have paid their dues. They have earned their playtime. They most likely will start while our freshman and underclassman gain experience and earn their minutes without the undue pressure of having to be depended on which only adds undue pressure to their development. Nika or Paige will start at the point. Ines and KK are next in line. They are point guards. Azzi can play the point but is more effective as a shooter so she will play at her strength which is a position where she can shoot. Nika has earned her minutes. She is a hard nosed defender and can do alot of things however she is was not a scorer in past years which has allowed defenses to play off her and double down on other players. Nika will get her minutes however Paige imo will get more minutes. Both are leaders however Paige was the NPOY and NFOY.

Geno will start the season with an experienced lineup. Underclassman will be worked in based on their ability to learn the system and play with confidence. Paige Azzi and Aaliyah are going to start. Nika Griff and Caroline have experience and understand the system. They will see alot of playtime.

There is no reason to start underclassman who have little experience at the college level and put undue pressure on them to perform. Unless you are a DT Stewie or Maya type player you will have to earn your minutes. As the season progresses each player will be worked into the lineup as Geno sees fit. I dont know if any of you have looked at the roster but I noticed Amari is listed at 6'6. Once her herniated disk is healed we may finally see her get minutes. At 6'6 she could be a force underneath on defense.

I feel that UConns health problems have been healed for the most part. We havent heard anything that would make us think otherwise so I will go with that. We are healthy enough to play without fear.

UConn has two generational players. UConn also has Aaliyah and Caroline who are very good scorers. There is no reason to expect anything less then a number 1 ranking and NC this season . No other team has a Paige and Azzi. Not even close. Depending on how healthy we stay and our underclassman develop we could go undefeated this season and completely dominate WCBB. I say that because we are not over rated. If anything we are under rated. We have the talent to be really really good, and depending on how our newbies develop we could be one of the best UConn teams we've seen in a while.
 
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I like the 3 point guard lineup: Nika Paige Azzi, along side Caroline and Aaliyah.

Not big enough, you say? I suspect opposing teams will have to go small to deal with it.

Need more D in a pinch? Bring in Aubrey.
Need more muscle? Bring in Ice or Jana or Ayanna or Amari.
Need more speed? Inês and KK are ready.
Need to give one of our shooters a breather? Ashlynn and Qadence are ready.

It’s like a law firm:” Bueckers Fudd & Muhl LLC, We got you covered.”
 
I like the 3 point guard lineup: Nika Paige Azzi, along side Caroline and Aaliyah.

Not big enough, you say? I suspect opposing teams will have to go small to deal with it.

Need more D in a pinch? Bring in Aubrey.
Need more muscle? Bring in Ice or Jana or Ayanna or Amari.
Need more speed? Inês and KK are ready.
Need to give one of our shooters a breather? Ashlynn and Qadence are ready.

It’s like a law firm:” Bueckers Fudd & Muhl LLC, We got you covered.”
Love it!! LOL
 
Tonyc, as usual, a good analysis and I agree with your predictions about how good this team can/will be. I usually give your posts a Like but didn't today for one reason, only . You list 3 starters and 3 'will get a lot of minutes' vets. I concur with your thoughts on Paige, Azzi and Aaliyah as sure starters, BUT I feel strongly that Nika should be included as a sure starter leaving Aubrey and Caroline as 'getting lots of minutes' , maybe even as a starter. Obviously, all of this discussion about AG, NM and CD are a function of how Geno wants to set up his team, position wise, and if either Jana or Ice is ready and needed.

I find it hard to believe that Geno will not start a Senior who was top 2 or 3 in the country last year and the all-time UCONN assist leader, who doubles as the Conference Defensive POY and was the leader and motivator of the team. Let's remember that her crazy good assist numbers came when she had a depleted list of scorers available to set up (no Paige and very little season minutes from two other expected big time scorers, Azzi and Caroline).

I guess none of this discussion really matters and is nothing more than a group of fans stating personal opinions. Who is right and who is wrong will only be known on the date of our opening game in November.

GO HUSKIES
 
Paige —if healthy can be equivalent to Caitlin Clark who is changing the college game and getting millions of viewers. I cannot tell you how many men viewers she brought to the college game last year.
10 million viewers
Caitlin destroyed the Ohio State press in 3 minutes and we looked like a grade school team or a deer In headlights !!!
Nika will have a big part of next years success, but will not deliver number 12 and if Paige is healthy - she needs to have the ball in her hands
Many boneyards have expressed that Nika does not need to score to win - but last year defenses did not guard her and doubled teamed our bigs and led to many loses and a disappointing finish
The last sentence was true only because all the shooters were down. This year I would expect more driving to the basket and dishing to the outside and Nika can go to the basket against anyone. Also I didn't think the OSU press was as much a problem in the back court as the TOs once they broke the press. They also missed a ton of open shots I don't see them missing with all the stars healthy.

Paige is also not Caitlin Clark. Her game is totally different and people watch CC because she shoots from half court on a regular basis and can actually make some of them. Paige is a great player but in more a traditional sense. She can hit big shots, she is a great passer but most importantly she is a great leader.
 
Nika is the two time defensive player of the year in the conference so I don't see her on the bench. She isn't a great shooter but can drive to the basket with anyone so I see her at the point on the break and Paige and Azzi filling the wings for the three. Once they are in the half court they run a motion offense so I don't know that the point is a truly defined position.

The real mystery will be the 5th spot. Will they go with the quickness of Aubrey or more size on the inside? When healthy this team has a lot of really good options regardless of how they decide to approach the opponent.
 
If everyone stays healthy this team is gonna be good. But unless Nika is learning to attack the bucket in the offseason her minutes will go down. PG’s have to be scoring threats in todays game. You can count on one hand how many times Nika took someone off dribble to the bucket in the half court last season. KK already has that ability.
 
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If everyone stays healthy this team is gonna be good. But unless Nika is learning to attack the bucket in the offseason her minutes will go down. PG’s have to be scoring threats in todays game. You can count on one hand how many times Nika took someone off dribble to the bucket in the half court last season. KK already has that ability.

She doesn't have to attack it that much. The others can becuase the lane should be very open.

The college game is not pros in which one-on-one hoop rules the day.

She attacked a little this year and will pobbaly attack a little more but not much. But if the lane is open for others ot atack in whch they are the primary scorers, then why does Nika need to atack much?
 
I want Nika to start as point guard and Paige to be the shooting guard, but the difference you are bringing up is not related to skill. If Geno wants Paige to push the ball up like Nika, Paige can do it. In the end it’s Geno’s decision. Paige is the better point guard in almost every way or maybe in every way.
Paige could push the ball up the court but clearly she doesn't if it isn't a coaching mandate. I realize some of that is because Paige plays heavy minutes. She probably could push the ball all the time if her minutes were reduced. Nika played heavy minutes last year, pushed the pace all the time and maintained all out defensive intensity at the same time.

One difference is we didn't press much due to injuries and a limited bench. I hope that all changes this year, not just push the pace on offense, but press on defense as well. That might limit our best players to more like 30 minutes a game which is fine as long as the substitutes are very high quality too and we are at the same time exhausting the other team's starters, and forcing them to rely on far inferior benches more.

If our bench is much better than our opponents, by an even bigger margin than comparing starters, then a fast paced game on both ends making more of the game a battle between the benches is to our advantage.

Also the question is not, nor has it ever been, who is the best PG overall. Even the start Nika crowd believes Paige is a better overall PG than Nika. The relevant comparison for the starting Nika debate is Caroline or Aubrey, not Paige. Paige and Azzi are going to start, that is a universal opinion. The question is Nika, Caroline or Aubrey for the third guard.

Because of Aubrey's lack of a perimeter shot and the fact we may need her to play upfront more this year, most view her best role as a great 3/4 backup. That leaves Nika vs. Caroline, and regardless of who that is, that player will be at their natural position, either PG for Nika or SF for Caroline. Nika's value off the point goes down a great deal, Paige's does not.

Because she is so good and so versatile Paige could be an All American at three positions. If Nika starts with Paige, Nika should be the principle PG, that has already been demonstrated in their first two years when they played together. Further when it comes to who plays the 3, Paige is a better choice than Azzi, although most reverse that pairing for reasons I don't understand. Even though they are both listed at 5-11, clearly Paige is taller, longer, and a much better rebounder and shot blocker.

Finally I prefer Nika as the PG not Paige, because of how great and versatile Paige is., and the focus of this discussion should really be on Nika vs. other alternatives, mostly Caroline who has ongoing injury concerns, is coming off a disappointing season, and clearly has more question marks at least at this point than Nika. Nika is also a senior, and clearly the leader on offense and defense for the team last year.

Paige can have a great great season whether she starts at PG or not. She will play some at all three guard positions and be excellent at all of them. In fact Paige's versatility can enable the other smalls to all play the vast majority of their minutes at their best position, Nika at the 1, Azzi the 2, Caroline at the 3, KK at the 1, Ashlynn the 2, Q the 3, and Aubrey when she isn't used upfront at the 3.
 
If everyone stays healthy this team is gonna be good. But unless Nika is learning to attack the bucket in the offseason her minutes will go down. PG’s have to be scoring threats in todays game. You can count on one hand how many times Nika took someone off dribble to the bucket in the half court last season. KK already has that ability.
Of course Nika's minutes are going to go down. She was almost forced to go 38+ minutes a game last year due to the size of the bench. I see her as a starter this year but even then only playing 28-30 minutes/game since there is so much PG/SG talent.

It still amazes me how so many Boneyarders focus in on Nika's scoring ability. Hey folks, that is not her game nor what she contributes to the team's success. She is a leader, a defender and a passer and one of the best in the country at those things. Grading her down because of a function that she is not needed for is no different than rating Azzi down since she isn't a great rebounder or Aaliyah down because she isn't great a breaking a press. In all three cases, they excell at certain parts of the games, which happens to be what Geno needs them to do. Would all of them be even better if they could perform every basketball skill at the highest level? Of course, but why do some posters feel compelled to dwell on one player's (Nika) lowest skill item while never mentioned the others? They are a team and that blending of all the individual's skills is what makes them so good.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing KK get plenty of opportunities to play.
Paige will need a player like KK to pass to & so will Nika.
KK's a dynamo & if Paige or Nika ever miss time then KK will be UConn's best hope for success.
IMO by the end of this season KK will become one of UConn's top 3 guards behind only Paige & Azzi.
She dazzles with her ball handling, speed & slashing ability.
And she does it with a smile on her face.
She may come off the bench, but she'll get more PT if she's productive. & as game circumstances dictate.



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Well, if nothing else the great Point Guard debate has generated a lot of Boneyard posts for the last three seasons and I suspect it will continue for at least another two. Such it the offseason. ;)
It wouldn't be such a debate if only we could find one player who could excel at defending, setting up scorers with excellent passes and being a leader on the court . Oh wait:D
 
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