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HuskiesAllDay said:
I agree we need all the bodies we can get this point, so I'm not against signing him. But I was hoping KO would have a little better plan than this.

We are losing two Top 50 big men and are potentially replacing them with a guy who averaged 3 and 3 for a crappy St. John's team.

There is a pretty big gap between 5 star big man and this guy.
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Neither of the bigs we are losing were top 50. Rankings aside, Steve/Juwan combined for 20 minutes a game this year and contributed 5 points and 4 rebounds with sub 50% shooting. I don't see why guys like Williams and Cobb couldn't surpass that kind of production easily.
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
I agree we need all the bodies we can get this point, so I'm not against signing him. But I was hoping KO would have a little better plan than this.

We are losing two Top 50 big men and are potentially replacing them with a guy who averaged 3 and 3 for a crappy St. John's team.

There is a pretty big gap between 5 star big man and this guy.
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There is no better plan. We can potentially recruit top 50 replacements in the 2018 class. There are no top 50 players available in the 2017 class, except Tremont Waters who is a guard. This is a great bridge to 2018. Hope we get him.

The fact is, Darien Williams would likely contribute more next year than Steve Enoch or Juwan Durham would have. So no reason to scorn this, if you wouldn't have scorned Steve or Juwan.
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
I agree we need all the bodies we can get this point, so I'm not against signing him. But I was hoping KO would have a little better plan than this.

We are losing two Top 50 big men and are potentially replacing them with a guy who averaged 3 and 3 for a crappy St. John's team.

There is a pretty big gap between 5 star big man and this guy.
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We lost top 50 guys but did they live up to their rankings?
Matt1010 said:
Neither of the bigs we are losing were top 50. Rankings aside, Steve/Juwan combined for 20 minutes a game this year and contributed 5 points and 4 rebounds with sub 50% shooting. I don't see why guys like Williams and Cobb couldn't surpass that kind of production easily.
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I don't think we'll get or even need a top big man if we're going to be a three guard / stretch four team.
 
QUOTE="UConnStats, post: 2150909, member: 5842"]72% from the line. Solid rebounder. Foul prone. He can give you 10-15 decent minutes in the frontcourt. Can't hurt to take him.[/QUOTE]

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Together with Cobb may bring us some of the toughness, underneath that Ollie is looking for.
 
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Horatio said:
We lost top 50 guys but did they live up to their rankings?

I don't think we'll get or even need a top big man if we're going to be a three guard / stretch four team.
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We don't need a top big man, but we need someone (or 2) who can hold their own. We haven't really had that since Drummond. And I don't think that will change much as our roster is currently constituted.
We can't continue to get killed down low, especially since many teams in the AAC build their team around big, physical guys.
 
pj said:
There is no better plan. We can potentially recruit top 50 replacements in the 2018 class. There are no top 50 players available in the 2017 class, except Tremont Waters who is a guard. This is a great bridge to 2018. Hope we get him.

The fact is, Darien Williams would likely contribute more next year than Steve Enoch or Juwan Durham would have. So no reason to scorn this, if you wouldn't have scorned Steve or Juwan.
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The better plan would to be to actually develop and get something out of your target recruits so that they don't leave or get "run off" (depending on who you believe) and leave the program scrambling.
 
pj said:
There is no better plan. We can potentially recruit top 50 replacements in the 2018 class. There are no top 50 players available in the 2017 class, except Tremont Waters who is a guard. This is a great bridge to 2018. Hope we get him.

The fact is, Darien Williams would likely contribute more next year than Steve Enoch or Juwan Durham would have. So no reason to scorn this, if you wouldn't have scorned Steve or Juwan.
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I think Durham will ultimately become a pretty good college player after sitting out a year. As far as Enoch, who knows how he will develop? He certainly has the right frame to become an impact player if he works hard enough.
 
Huskybass said:
I think Durham will ultimately become a pretty good college player after sitting out a year. As far as Enoch, who knows how he will develop? He certainly has the right frame to become an impact player if he works hard enough.
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If.
 
Huskybass said:
And it's constant. KO is above any and all criticism according to this fool.
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The board deserves a counterweight to the constant lunacy you and your crew post. People who don't think KO should be fired are "snowflakes" in a "ladies club"...KO forgot how to coach because of his divorce...KO is killing the program by being too harsh and critical of players when it's board gospel that one of the main components of JC's success was giving players tough love...

It would be a lot easier to criticize KO on his merits if people stuck to actual things he's done and has control over. I've seen so much ridiculous crap on this board lately I have no intention of giving you the benefit of the doubt. People are pissed at him for not rescinding Gilbert's NLI after the first shoulder injury last April. They also think that the template message the AAC sent out welcoming WSU which the intern who runs the MBB Twitter account plastered over a picture of KO was actually a Bob Diaco-like rant. I can't reason with you people. It's not my fault that you were so emotionally unequipped to handle last season that you shovel the blame for all problems, real, and imaginary, at his feet.
 
Stairmaster said:
The board deserves a counterweight to the constant lunacy you and your crew post. People who don't think KO should be fired are "snowflakes" in a "ladies club"...KO forgot how to coach because of his divorce...KO is killing the program by being too harsh and critical of players when it's board gospel that one of the main components of JC's success was giving players tough love...

It would be a lot easier to criticize KO on his merits if people stuck to actual things he's done and has control over. I've seen so much ridiculous crap on this board lately I have no intention of giving you the benefit of the doubt. People are pissed at him for not rescinding Gilbert's NLI after the first shoulder injury last April. They also think that the template message the AAC sent out welcoming WSU which the intern who runs the MBB Twitter account plastered over a picture of KO was actually a Bob Diaco-like rant. I can't reason with you people. It's not my fault that you were so emotionally unequipped to handle last season that you shovel the blame for all problems, real, and imaginary, at his feet.
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Don't always agree with you but on this you are spot on. KO can be my coach any day. He has a standard. JC's hand picked successor. I'm good. Like Geno, with KO you gotta have the right engine along with talent. The guys that left will be replaced with amped up motivated players. You can count on it. Not giving up on this great coach.
 
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Confident Carl said:
QUOTE="UConnStats, post: 2150909, member: 5842"]72% from the line. Solid rebounder. Foul prone. He can give you 10-15 decent minutes in the frontcourt. Can't hurt to take him.
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Together with Cobb may bring us some of the toughness, underneath that Ollie is looking for.[/QUOTE]
He's exactly what we need.. a serviceable body in the frontcourt.. Give us some rebounding, and fouls to give... Work hard and surprise everybody with more than 3 points a game....
 
Confident Carl said:
Don't always agree with you but on this you are spot on. KO can be my coach any day. He has a standard. JC's hand picked successor. I'm good. Like Geno, with KO you gotta have the right engine along with talent. The guys that left will be replaced with amped up motivated players. You can count on it. Not giving up on this great coach.
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And I do think there are aspects of KO as a coach that I'm disappointed in, and that he need to improve on -- a couple of which are absolutely vital. But I think that this board on the whole is way too eager to can him. People wanted him fired midseason in February of 2015. Some wanted him gone right after the Wagner game. I wasn't on this board during his championship season, but I've heard that there were calls for his head that year as well. I don't begrudge him for not starting his career at the same level as a 40-year HOFer who is in my mind the greatest basketball coach of all time.
 
We have been most successful and won our championships with a fantastic back-court and great upperclassmen leadership. All we really need are big bodies/tough guys in the front-court. This young man seems to fit the bill. I'm in.
 
Confident Carl said:
QUOTE="UConnStats, post: 2150909, member: 5842"]72% from the line. Solid rebounder. Foul prone. He can give you 10-15 decent minutes in the frontcourt. Can't hurt to take him.
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Together with Cobb may bring us some of the toughness, underneath that Ollie is looking for.[/QUOTE]

Is that an actual box out? Forgot what one looks like
 
Not too excited to go from Durham and Enoch to Cobb and Williams. I'm fine with one of them but let's try to find a center with a semblance of an offensive game or at least playing closer to 30 minutes per game. I would rather have the Kanter brother than these reaches.
 
Stairmaster said:
The board deserves a counterweight to the constant lunacy you and your crew post. People who don't think KO should be fired are "snowflakes" in a "ladies club"...KO forgot how to coach because of his divorce...KO is killing the program by being too harsh and critical of players when it's board gospel that one of the main components of JC's success was giving players tough love...

It would be a lot easier to criticize KO on his merits if people stuck to actual things he's done and has control over. I've seen so much ridiculous crap on this board lately I have no intention of giving you the benefit of the doubt. People are pissed at him for not rescinding Gilbert's NLI after the first shoulder injury last April. They also think that the template message the AAC sent out welcoming WSU which the intern who runs the MBB Twitter account plastered over a picture of KO was actually a Bob Diaco-like rant. I can't reason with you people. It's not my fault that you were so emotionally unequipped to handle last season that you shovel the blame for all problems, real, and imaginary, at his feet.
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I see KO's strengths and weaknesses for what they actually are. I thought he did an excellent job in both 2012-13 and in 2013-14. However, over the past 3 seasons, the team is rarely ranked, never contends for the AAC regular season title, has lost to many mediocre opponents, falls behind by double digits in the first half of many games, struggles offensively, and has won a total of one NCAA tournament game and zero NIT games in that span. That gives me plenty of reasons to question whether KO is the right guy to lead the team going forward.

I would love to hear real reasons for optimism for next season.
 
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Stairmaster said:
The board deserves a counterweight to the constant lunacy you and your crew post. People who don't think KO should be fired are "snowflakes" in a "ladies club"...KO forgot how to coach because of his divorce...KO is killing the program by being too harsh and critical of players when it's board gospel that one of the main components of JC's success was giving players tough love...

It would be a lot easier to criticize KO on his merits if people stuck to actual things he's done and has control over. I've seen so much ridiculous crap on this board lately I have no intention of giving you the benefit of the doubt. People are pissed at him for not rescinding Gilbert's NLI after the first shoulder injury last April. They also think that the template message the AAC sent out welcoming WSU which the intern who runs the MBB Twitter account plastered over a picture of KO was actually a Bob Diaco-like rant. I can't reason with you people. It's not my fault that you were so emotionally unequipped to handle last season that you shovel the blame for all problems, real, and imaginary, at his feet.
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People do this all the time!!!! And you still call them out and label them a hater. Any post that has even the slightest degree of negativity, you see as unwarranted bashing.
 
FartMan69 said:
I don't care about that, it's suggesting we actively root against UConn. That's preposterous and immature from someone who tries to act holier than holy on a message board.
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It shows he and others aren't at all serious about a discussion. It's holier than though, pat yourself on the back nonsense.
 
3rdbass said:
Not too excited to go from Durham and Enoch to Cobb and Williams. I'm fine with one of them but let's try to find a center with a semblance of an offensive game or at least playing closer to 30 minutes per game. I would rather have the Kanter brother than these reaches.
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and pray tell, which one of Enoch or Durham is/was going to give you 30 minutes??
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
People do this all the time!!!! And you still call them out and label them a hater. Any post that has even the slightest degree of negativity, you see as unwarranted bashing.
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This post is 100% BS - you have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about if you believe it
There are many who have no memory before the golden JC days and can't understand why UConn is struggling at this time - it's so easy to blame the coach - and guess what? KO would just shrug it off but some people have some insight and history of being longterm UConn fans and it upsets some of us with the constant bashing of those who do it ad nausea
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
I agree we need all the bodies we can get this point, so I'm not against signing him. But I was hoping KO would have a little better plan than this.

We are losing two Top 50 big men and are potentially replacing them with a guy who averaged 3 and 3 for a crappy St. John's team.

There is a pretty big gap between 5 star big man and this guy.
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SE averaged 3.4 and 2.3 and was not a Top 50 guy. JD averaged 1.6 and 1.5 and was a Top 50 guy. And by CT standards played for a crappy UConn team. Many people saw big upside for both but KO did not. This guy may be more of a banger and the 5 spot gets filled by committee. I'd rather see a guy get in foul trouble during an act of commission than watch SE get in foul trouble by an act of omission.
 
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if he can stay on the floor, get 6-8 rebounds, move his feet/run the floor, pass, and finish the bunnies fine... it's one year and with it being this late in the season theres not many left out there... hoping we get waters
 
gtcam said:
and pray tell, which one of Enoch or Durham is/was going to give you 30 minutes??
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I would say they durham and enoch have tremendous upside if their heads were in it. the other two are TBD but if theyre committed and do what needs to be done for the team fine by me... they can be a bridge for now
 
gtcam said:
This post is 100% BS - you have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about if you believe it
There are many who have no memory before the golden JC days and can't understand why UConn is struggling at this time - it's so easy to blame the coach - and guess what? KO would just shrug it off but some people have some insight and history of being longterm UConn fans and it upsets some of us with the constant bashing of those who do it ad nausea
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Go look at his post history and them tell me how I'm wrong. I'm not saying there aren't crazy posters on here that deserve to be called out. But he calls out pretty much every single post that has even the slightest negativity in it.

A lot of people making the criticisms have insight and long term history as well. Not sure what that has to do with any of this.

There are plenty of outrageous claims on here. And KO gets blamed for a lot of stuff. But there is also a lot to criticize. Are you paying attention to the current state of the program?

It may be easy to blame the coach, and that's because he is in charge! And he actually has a lot of control over what people are being critical of.
This isn't a CEO of a global corporation getting blamed for something that happens at a local production factory. KO has quite a bit of control over player development, player retention, in game performance, etc.
 
QDOG5 said:
SE averaged 3.4 and 2.3 and was not a Top 50 guy. JD averaged 1.6 and 1.5 and was a Top 50 guy. And by CT standards played for a crappy UConn team. Many people saw big upside for both but KO did not. This guy may be more of a banger and the 5 spot gets filled by committee. I'd rather see a guy get in foul trouble during an act of commission than watch SE get in foul trouble by an act of omission.
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Where did you hear that KO didn't see upside in Steve and Juwan, like to know?
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
Go look at his post history and them tell me how I'm wrong. I'm not saying there aren't crazy posters on here that deserve to be called out. But he calls out pretty much every single post that has even the slightest negativity in it.

A lot of people making the criticisms have insight and long term history as well. Not sure what that has to do with any of this.

There are plenty of outrageous claims on here. And KO gets blamed for a lot of stuff. But there is also a lot to criticize. Are you paying attention to the current state of the program?

It may be easy to blame the coach, and that's because he is in charge! And he actually has a lot of control over what people are being critical of.
This isn't a CEO of a global corporation getting blamed for something that happens at a local production factory. KO has quite a bit of control over player development, player retention, in game performance, etc.
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Sorry but I basically disagree with you
If you don't understand what I mean about the history then I can't help you - sorry
I'm dropping it now- no sense beating it up any longer
You feel your way about Stair and I just don't see it
If you feel KO could control so many of the things that have happened - so be it
 
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