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Sooo… Who is are QB gonna be?

giddyup said:
Actually, the kid couldn’t run progressions at the clock speed required. Nobody has a lot of time in the pocket. You’re dealing with 3-5 seconds. You need to be (1) identifying the D coverage immediately (sometimes masked only discovered after the snap), (2) going through your progressions in the first seconds to find your primary and make a decision to throw to where the receiver will be or check off to 2 or 3, all ideally in as close to parallel as humanly possible. The QB job is as much upstairs as an arm.

The super athletic RPO guys are great for compensating for slow processors. Just read your primary and tuck and go if you don’t know what to do next. The great RPO guys to it all (like a Mahomes).

ZT is not an RPO QB. He is too slow. ZT is not a pocket passer that can process fast. ZT has a good arm, but widely inaccurate in short to medium routes. He is a QB 3 all day long unless the other guys suck worse.
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For right now Qb3 till he get accumulated to the speed. Other than that, I agree.
 
You kind of hope that a big part of ZTs progress from year 1 to year 2 is the ability to see, recognize, and process things faster... Last year we had 1 healthy, very young QB to get through the season with and we ran a stripped down, risk averse playbook to survive. I have no insight into what's happening in camp, but I'm rooting for Taquan after his lost season last year. Whoever wins the job, I'm hoping we're more comfortable opening things up this year.
 
Chin Diesel said:
It's one thing to suggest you think ZT will start based on fall camp performance.

It's another thing to suggest he'll get beat put in camp and start anyway because he's seen NC St before (And played really poorly in that game).
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Well, I think you might be misconstruing my remarks. I said it might be A factor. I did not suggest he would start because of only that. Nor did I suggest that he would start, only not to be surprised if he did.

Did he play poorly in the NCST game? 10 of 12 for 39 yards, 3.25 yards per attempt? No interceptions, one fumble recovered by UConn? 121 yards rushing 10 of which were ZT. Possession 24:31. On the surface it just looked like UConn as a team got overpowered. You think that was on ZT? I am gonna suggest it was on the whole team. But at the end of the season it might have been a different story.
 
freescooter said:
The BC-Maine game was 28-10 at the half. Maine was throwing on every down in the second half it seemed. Not knocking Fagnano because he looks like a solid guy but you really can’t compare his stats vs BC to Zion’s. Totally different circumstances.
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Exactly.
 
Guru13 said:
That wasn’t the line, I don’t understand how it’s the line when we have two of the best returning guards in the nation and 3 out of the 5 are on the shrine bowl watch list. We had a true freshmen quarterback who wasn’t caught up to the game speed of college. We literally have heard couple of guys say ZT has improved with going through his progression much quicker and has adapted to the game speed of college. Can we not stop blaming the o-line. Yes, they gave up 18 sacks or whatever but I do remember when they gave ZT time to throw a deep ball and we completed it, it was because had good pass protection. We only gave up sacks when teams were sending 6-7 guys on us.
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I think he was trying to be nice by not singling out someone. ZT was not supposed to but had to play last year. If the O was a boxer it would have been as an infighter and a clincher. There was a lot of missing parts throughout the year.
 
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navery12 said:
Imagine thinking Jim Mora is gonna go up to Roberson (or Fagnano) and say congrats on a great camp, you won the QB1 job. By the way, you're not starting week 1 so we can start your backup
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And I'm going to start the back up because he got shell shocked last year against the same team so if we get blown out this year, he'll be more numb to the pain than you would be since you haven't been clubbed by this team yet.
 
Duncan Idaho said:
I think he was trying to be nice by not singling out someone. ZT was not supposed to but had to play last year. If the O was a boxer it would have been as an infighter and a clincher. There was a lot of missing parts throughout the year.
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It's entirely plausible that those missing pieces were at least partially a function of not being able to weather another QB injury and not solely due to shortcomings in ZT's game.
 
navery12 said:
Imagine thinking Jim Mora is gonna go up to Roberson (or Fagnano) and say congrats on a great camp, you won the QB1 job. By the way, you're not starting week 1 so we can start your backup
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You think a guy like HCJM would handle the situation that stupidly? You must have a really low opinion of his managerial skillset.
 
Chin Diesel said:
And I'm going to start the back up because he got shell shocked last year against the same team so if we get blown out this year, he'll be more numb to the pain than you would be since you haven't been clubbed by this team yet.
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Sheesh .... Give it up. Really.
 
RSTuthill said:
You think a guy like HCJM would handle the situation that stupidly? You must have a really low opinion of his managerial skillset.
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They actually don't think Jim Mora would handle the situation that stupidly and I think pretty much everyone on the board is trying to make that point, you just don't seem to get it.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
And I'm going to start the back up because he got shell shocked last year against the same team so if we get blown out this year, he'll be more numb to the pain than you would be since you haven't been clubbed by this team yet.
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RSTuthill said:
Sheesh .... Give it up. Really.
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These are your words, not mine.

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RedStickHusky said:
It's entirely plausible that those missing pieces were at least partially a function of not being able to weather another QB injury and not solely due to shortcomings in ZT's game.
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Some of that and maybe he has to also learn how to play without the level of player advantages he did in high school. Like other folks said, college is a faster game, shorter windows...have to process. UConn has two nationally recognized guards and a good group of RBs, they are going to run the ball. If they can also throw the ball while winning, it's going to be a fun watch.
 
RSTuthill said:
You think a guy like HCJM would handle the situation that stupidly? You must have a really low opinion of his managerial skillset.
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No I have a very high opinion of Mora, which is why I can't see him ever making such a ridiculous decision
 
KembaKek said:
Sometimes i really think a lot of you talk about the team way more than you watch. Pass protection "wasn't great last year"? We had two of the top 15 guards in the country and only allowed 18 sacks... think we're fine there
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And how many of those sacks came as a function of ZT holding the ball… and holding the ball… and holding the ball?
 
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RSTuthill said:
If the pass protection had been good he would have stood in the pocket, run through progressions, and thrown downfield. Never happened. End of discussion.
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He often stood back there for what seemed like a lifetime before getting sacked. That is not on the line, that is on a young QB getting up to game speed.
 
Palatine said:
The problem with the passing game was NOT the offensive line. The problem was NOT the wide receivers. It was NOT the running game. It was NOT the tight end.

The reason we max protected was NOT the offensive line or the routes were ran. The entire passing game was simplified to protect the passer.
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I don't know that this is 100% what was driving it, but, undoubtedly, quarterback depth played a significant role in the need to simplify our offense to protect the QB.
 
First of all… the best player will start. Everything I say next is contingent on that. I expect Roberson will be QB1 and Fagano will be QB2. This leaves the possibility of a redshirt year for ZT. I would expect that ZT would have to display a clear advantage to be QB1. If he’s close to either TR or JF, I would imagine there would be a preference to redshirt ZT.
 
Duncan Idaho said:
Some of that and maybe he has to also learn how to play without the level of player advantages he did in high school. Like other folks said, college is a faster game, shorter windows...have to process. UConn has two nationally recognized guards and a good group of RBs, they are going to run the ball. If they can also throw the ball while winning, it's going to be a fun watch.
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Your lips....
 
CL82 said:
I don't know that this is 100% what was driving it, but, undoubtedly, quarterback depth played a significant role in the need to simplify our offense to protect the QB.
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Don't think Pal was keen on him, said Charlton was trying to turn straw into gold...but having really only one healthy QB had to play some part.
 
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gioff2323 said:
Nah. Jimmy's naming a starter in advance so they can be laser focused on getting off to a good start.
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I think you are right. At least JM and NC together. Going into a game week the team has to know that. Not so sure the public will know though. Which is what I was worried about. In three weeks time this board might explode. ;) ;)
 
Hskies4Ever said:
First of all… the best player will start. Everything I say next is contingent on that. I expect Roberson will be QB1 and Fagano will be QB2. This leaves the possibility of a redshirt year for ZT. I would expect that ZT would have to display a clear advantage to be QB1. If he’s close to either TR or JF, I would imagine there would be a preference to redshirt ZT.
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We're going to need quicker decisions this year no matter who plays. It's not just to avoid sacks but to recognize defenses, react to pressure and find the open guys. Our production from the position needs to increase significantly. The o-line shouldn't be an issue if healthy. But ZT won't want to redshirt with what we have and what's coming in. And coach may want the depth.
 
Jimdish255 said:
We're going to need quicker decisions this year no matter who plays. It's not just to avoid sacks but to recognize defenses, react to pressure and find the open guys. Our production from the position needs to increase significantly. The o-line shouldn't be an issue if healthy. But ZT won't want to redshirt with what we have and what's coming in. And coach may want the depth.
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I think if he’s not starting then why not set him up for the extra year of experience? If depth becomes an issue you can still play him and you’re no worse off. I would imagine even our Texas boy will need some seasoning before he is ready.
 
RSTuthill said:
Yup, Fagnano against BC was 21 for 43 and 289. ZT against BC was 11-19 and 173.

Maine 17, BC 38.
UConn 13, BC 3

What was your point exactly? Because it's kinda escaping me.
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gonna take a second to say BC a "P5" school only beat FCS Maine by 21 that's hilarious, Texas A&M letting UMass hang in for 3 quarters too
 
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