Sooo… Who is are QB gonna be?

[Devland]

One problem last year was there was too much help that had to be given in pass protection. At lot of times, on pass plays, there was an extra lineman inserted to help or tight ends and running backs were held in to assist blocking. These were necessary coaching schemes to assist in protection, but it also limited the number of receivers running routs. This allowed the couple of receivers running routs to be covered by the best DB's and even be double covered. Hopefully the line has improved enough to be able to get away from max protection this year. This will go a long way to improving the passing game.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

One problem last year was there was too much help that had to be given in pass protection. At lot of times, on pass plays, there was an extra lineman inserted to help or tight ends and running backs were held in to assist blocking. These were necessary coaching schemes to assist in protection, but it also limited the number of receivers running routs. This allowed the couple of receivers running routs to be covered by the best DB's and even be double covered. Hopefully the line has improved enough to be able to get away from max protection this year. This will go a long way to improving the passing game.

Sometimes up to seven OL.

 

[Palatine]

One problem last year was there was too much help that had to be given in pass protection. At lot of times, on pass plays, there was an extra lineman inserted to help or tight ends and running backs were held in to assist blocking. These were necessary coaching schemes to assist in protection, but it also limited the number of receivers running routs. This allowed the couple of receivers running routs to be covered by the best DB's and even be double covered. Hopefully the line has improved enough to be able to get away from max protection this year. This will go a long way to improving the passing game.

The problem with the passing game was NOT the offensive line. The problem was NOT the wide receivers. It was NOT the running game. It was NOT the tight end.

The reason we max protected was NOT the offensive line or the routes were ran. The entire passing game was simplified to protect the passer.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

The problem with the passing game was NOT the offensive line. The problem was NOT the wide receivers. It was NOT the running game. It was NOT the tight end.

The reason we max protected was NOT the offensive line or the routes were ran. The entire passing game was simplified to protect the passer.

Yes, he was really the only healthy option at QB last year. Hits to the WRs and RBs hurt too. Devland just pointed out it further reduced options.

 

[RSTuthill]

The pass protection was good last season. On sacked 18 times in 13 games.

Of course. Because they only threw short. C'mon ....

How many times did ZT stand in the pocket and throw long?

 

[RSTuthill]

This is an interesting hill to die on.

Well we shall see, right. Just expressing an opinion in the form of "don't be surprised if ZT starts against NCST". Not that he WILL start. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

 

[Guru13]

One problem last year was there was too much help that had to be given in pass protection. At lot of times, on pass plays, there was an extra lineman inserted to help or tight ends and running backs were held in to assist blocking. These were necessary coaching schemes to assist in protection, but it also limited the number of receivers running routs. This allowed the couple of receivers running routs to be covered by the best DB's and even be double covered. Hopefully the line has improved enough to be able to get away from max protection this year. This will go a long way to improving the passing game.

That wasn’t the line, I don’t understand how it’s the line when we have two of the best returning guards in the nation and 3 out of the 5 are on the shrine bowl watch list. We had a true freshmen quarterback who wasn’t caught up to the game speed of college. We literally have heard couple of guys say ZT has improved with going through his progression much quicker and has adapted to the game speed of college. Can we not stop blaming the o-line. Yes, they gave up 18 sacks or whatever but I do remember when they gave ZT time to throw a deep ball and we completed it, it was because had good pass protection. We only gave up sacks when teams were sending 6-7 guys on us.

 

[Guru13]

Well we shall see, right. Just expressing an opinion in the form of "don't be surprised if ZT starts against NCST". Not that he WILL start. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

My opinion is he’s not starting… all signs point to Roberson.

 

[Guru13]

The problem with the passing game was NOT the offensive line. The problem was NOT the wide receivers. It was NOT the running game. It was NOT the tight end.

The reason we max protected was NOT the offensive line or the routes were ran. The entire passing game was simplified to protect the passer.

I don’t get how people miss the pressers when Charlton/Mora talks about how much the passing game was simplified. If we really wanna talk about why we max protected. It’s because non of our tight ends could block a fly last year hence we had an extra linemen.

 

[RSTuthill]

Fagnano threw for 289 yards versus Boston College. And that means nothing as well.

Yup, Fagnano against BC was 21 for 43 and 289. ZT against BC was 11-19 and 173.

Maine 17, BC 38.
UConn 13, BC 3

What was your point exactly? Because it's kinda escaping me.

 

[businesslawyer]

Well we shall see, right. Just expressing an opinion in the form of "don't be surprised if ZT starts against NCST". Not that he WILL start. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

The opinion was perfectly rational. The logic behind it was not. No one is criticizing you for thinking ZT will win the job (if that's what you think).

 

[Palatine]

Yup, Fagnano against BC was 21 for 43 and 289. ZT against BC was 11-19 and 173.

Maine 17, BC 38.
UConn 13, BC 3

What was your point exactly? Because it's kinda escaping me.

My point is he threw for 289 yards against an FBS opponent, sorry that escaped you.

 

[RSTuthill]

Sometimes i really think a lot of you talk about the team way more than you watch. Pass protection "wasn't great last year"? We had two of the top 15 guards in the country and only allowed 18 sacks... think we're fine there

If the pass protection had been good he would have stood in the pocket, run through progressions, and thrown downfield. Never happened. End of discussion.

 

[Guru13]

If the pass protection had been good he would have stood in the pocket, run through progressions, and thrown downfield. Never happened. End of discussion.

He was literally thrown into the fire… I’m not sure if you are trolling, but Mora/Charlton said ZT had to be quicker in his decision making. It was evident when he was literally missing wide open dudes from the pocket but he never looked their way. You’re implying that the pass protection was not good and he was not standing in the pocket nor going through his progress or throwing downfield because the o-line protection was not good.

 

[RSTuthill]

Well he did get almost 50 yards combined passing and running in the game.

ZT was 10 for 12 and 39 yards passing. Millen was 0 for 3. Neither threw an interception, ZT fumbled once, recovered by UConn.

UConn gained 121 on the ground.

 

[RSTuthill]

My point is he threw for 289 yards against an FBS opponent, sorry that escaped you.

And my point is that UConn played ball control football and ate up lots of clock by throwing less than half the time that Maine did. It was a great strategy as UConn won. And ZT's passing stats were better than Fagnano's in the bargain.

Given that fact, ZT, having played against NCST, UM, Syracuse, and Liberty is a whole lot more seasoned than Fagnano against that level of competitiion. Two steps above BC last year.

That said, the point I am making is that don't be surprised. I really have no dog in this fight. The staff are quite capable of being objective, I am sure.

 

[RSTuthill]

The opinion was perfectly rational. The logic behind it was not. No one is criticizing you for thinking ZT will win the job (if that's what you think).

The logic is that one slightly outperformed the other against a common opponent (ZT) and has relatively a fair amount of experience against high level teams (ZT) while the other has none.

The logic would seem to be perfectly fine. I am not advocating for one over the other. Just saying that for those of us on the outside it is not a clear cut choice, and whatever happens none of us should be surprised.

 

[giddyup]

If the pass protection had been good he would have stood in the pocket, run through progressions, and thrown downfield. Never happened. End of discussion.

Actually, the kid couldn’t run progressions at the clock speed required. Nobody has a lot of time in the pocket. You’re dealing with 3-5 seconds. You need to be (1) identifying the D coverage immediately (sometimes masked only discovered after the snap), (2) going through your progressions in the first seconds to find your primary and make a decision to throw to where the receiver will be or check off to 2 or 3, all ideally in as close to parallel as humanly possible. The QB job is as much upstairs as an arm.

The super athletic RPO guys are great for compensating for slow processors. Just read your primary and tuck and go if you don’t know what to do next. The great RPO guys to it all (like a Mahomes).

ZT is not an RPO QB. He is too slow. ZT is not a pocket passer that can process fast. ZT has a good arm, but widely inaccurate in short to medium routes. He is a QB 3 all day long unless the other guys suck worse.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Well we shall see, right. Just expressing an opinion in the form of "don't be surprised if ZT starts against NCST". Not that he WILL start. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

It's one thing to suggest you think ZT will start based on fall camp performance.

It's another thing to suggest he'll get beat put in camp and start anyway because he's seen NC St before (And played really poorly in thst game).

 

[freescooter]

The logic is that one slightly outperformed the other against a common opponent (ZT) and has relatively a fair amount of experience against high level teams (ZT) while the other has none.

The logic would seem to be perfectly fine. I am not advocating for one over the other. Just saying that for those of us on the outside it is not a clear cut choice, and whatever happens none of us should be surprised.

The BC-Maine game was 28-10 at the half. Maine was throwing on every down in the second half it seemed. Not knocking Fagnano because he looks like a solid guy but you really can’t compare his stats vs BC to Zion’s. Totally different circumstances.

 

[Guru13]

Actually, the kid couldn’t run progressions at the clock speed required. Nobody has a lot of time in the pocket. You’re dealing with 3-5 seconds. You need to be (1) identifying the D coverage immediately (sometimes masked only discovered after the snap), (2) going through your progressions in the first seconds to find your primary and make a decision to throw to where the receiver will be or check off to 2 or 3, all ideally in as close to parallel as humanly possible. The QB job is as much upstairs as an arm.

The super athletic RPO guys are great for compensating for slow processors. Just read your primary and tuck and go if you don’t know what to do next. The great RPO guys to it all (like a Mahomes).

ZT is not an RPO QB. He is too slow. ZT is not a pocket passer that can process fast. ZT has a good arm, but widely inaccurate in short to medium routes. He is a QB 3 all day long unless the other guys suck worse.

For right now Qb3 till he get accumulated to the speed. Other than that, I agree.

 

[RedStickHusky]

You kind of hope that a big part of ZTs progress from year 1 to year 2 is the ability to see, recognize, and process things faster... Last year we had 1 healthy, very young QB to get through the season with and we ran a stripped down, risk averse playbook to survive. I have no insight into what's happening in camp, but I'm rooting for Taquan after his lost season last year. Whoever wins the job, I'm hoping we're more comfortable opening things up this year.

 

[RSTuthill]

It's one thing to suggest you think ZT will start based on fall camp performance.

It's another thing to suggest he'll get beat put in camp and start anyway because he's seen NC St before (And played really poorly in that game).

Well, I think you might be misconstruing my remarks. I said it might be A factor. I did not suggest he would start because of only that. Nor did I suggest that he would start, only not to be surprised if he did.

Did he play poorly in the NCST game? 10 of 12 for 39 yards, 3.25 yards per attempt? No interceptions, one fumble recovered by UConn? 121 yards rushing 10 of which were ZT. Possession 24:31. On the surface it just looked like UConn as a team got overpowered. You think that was on ZT? I am gonna suggest it was on the whole team. But at the end of the season it might have been a different story.

 

[RSTuthill]

The BC-Maine game was 28-10 at the half. Maine was throwing on every down in the second half it seemed. Not knocking Fagnano because he looks like a solid guy but you really can’t compare his stats vs BC to Zion’s. Totally different circumstances.

Exactly.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

That wasn’t the line, I don’t understand how it’s the line when we have two of the best returning guards in the nation and 3 out of the 5 are on the shrine bowl watch list. We had a true freshmen quarterback who wasn’t caught up to the game speed of college. We literally have heard couple of guys say ZT has improved with going through his progression much quicker and has adapted to the game speed of college. Can we not stop blaming the o-line. Yes, they gave up 18 sacks or whatever but I do remember when they gave ZT time to throw a deep ball and we completed it, it was because had good pass protection. We only gave up sacks when teams were sending 6-7 guys on us.

I think he was trying to be nice by not singling out someone. ZT was not supposed to but had to play last year. If the O was a boxer it would have been as an infighter and a clincher. There was a lot of missing parts throughout the year.