I agree. The evidence on the field especially down the stretch certainly should inform objectively minded people. It wasn’t just the bowl game. Army was a mess too. The kid did his best but he was heavily managed to not do damage because there was limited playmaking upside. When he tried to make plays bad things happened. He has a nice arm down field but that is about it. Certainly can’t read and throw with accuracy and isn’t a run threat. We need a guy who can read and make throws with accuracy.I am not saying he can't develop...but we haven't seen him develop yet...so I can't see how you can say he is #1. Hopefully he does get better...but right now I would say he is behind Roberson and Fagnano.
Tough to be too critical about the army game since he was a true freshman in his first start replacing an injured Roberson.I agree. The evidence on the field especially down the stretch certainly should inform objectively minded people. It wasn’t just the bowl game. Army was a mess too. The kid did his best but he was heavily managed to not do damage because there was limited playmaking upside. When he tried to make plays bad things happened. He has a nice arm down field but that is about it. Certainly can’t read and throw with accuracy and isn’t a run threat. We need a guy who can read and make throws with accuracy.
Yeah, you're right complete brain fart by me.Army was the last reg season game and his 10th start?????
I think we should name Mike Nebrich the starter.
It’s not going to be that close of a decision. As a true freshman Zion won 6 games without our top 3 receivers . One of the top RB in the country was hurt and missed most of the season. With some good receivers Zion is going to look much better and continue to win.Every game the opposing QB was better than ours. It is important Mora gets this right for ‘23. Very little news so far which is trying. I‘d say Roberson. Eye test way better than Zion the 2 mins I saw. Do not know about Joey F.
I trust our OC though.
Few if any are saying he cannot improve, most have reservations as to improving enough to be effective as a FBS QB this year. Making reads, reacting to plays as they unfold and moving/running are all important qualities in a successful QB. ZT was bad to very bad in each of those categories. Those are not "physical" qualities(moving/running more so but only after making the right decision on what to do) that improve with getting bigger/stronger.Why are people acting like Turner cannot improve to be a starter ?? We forget he was recruited by a couple of SEC schools, on top of that, he was a true freshmen who was supposed to be a redshirt. Yea down the stretch it wasn’t all that good, but don’t forget that he is the only qb to have more wins than any qb we had in the past 5 years with tougher opponents as an independent on top of making it to a bowl game. Making errors was going to be granted as a true freshman with a depleted team plagued by injuries. ZT and Roberson battled it out till the week before Utah state I believe meaning that it was a close battle between the two.
I'll take this one as I am always one to insist players can get better. Because Turner didn't get better with all the reps last year. Many here are questioning Charlton's ability. Last year, I saw the OC's playcalling spring open receivers left and right and Zion just couldn't get the ball there. I don't want another year of that. I want a QB that can make a throw.Why are people acting like Turner cannot improve to be a starter ??
Exactly. It isn’t a freshman issue. Freshman made bad decisions. The issue is you can see spurts of great play in quality freshman QBs and a general improvement by the end of season as the game slows down. None of that was really observable with ZT. He is a very slow processor and whatever physical talents he may possess don’t make a difference if he is behind the play.Few if any are saying he cannot improve, most have reservations as to improving enough to be effective as a FBS QB this year. Making reads, reacting to plays as they unfold and moving/running are all important qualities in a successful QB. ZT was bad to very bad in each of those categories. Those are not "physical" qualities(moving/running more so but only after making the right decision on what to do) that improve with getting bigger/stronger.
UConn had the lesser QB in every game it played in 2022 and still made a bowl. Can not count on that happening this year. Don't like the odds of ZT going from a bowl game disaster to anywhere near an average FBS QB in 9 months but hope he can.
If he or any of them for that matter struggle after being made #1, Mora has to give the next guy up a run.
My concern is similar. He was a true freshman. I get that. But he played almost every offensive down starting in the 2nd quarter of Game 1 and seemed to take a step back by the end of the season. Or at least not a step forward. That concerns me.I'll take this one as I am always one to insist players can get better. Because Turner didn't get better with all the reps last year. Many here are questioning Charlton's ability. Last year, I saw the OC's playcalling spring open receivers left and right and Zion just couldn't get the ball there. I don't want another year of that. I want a QB that can make a throw.
My concern is similar. He was a true freshman. I get that. But he played almost every offensive down starting in the 2nd quarter of Game 1 and seemed to take a step back by the end of the season. Or at least not a step forward. That concerns me.
Many here are questioning Charlton's ability. Last year, I saw the OC's playcalling spring open receivers left and right and Zion just couldn't get the ball there.