Slightly OT: UNLV Starting QB quits after 3 games, plans to transfer for more NIL money (Merged)

[superjohn]

Why are you surprised?

I'm not surprised by anything in college sports. We'll have more players quitting on their teammates in the middle of the season, we'll have coaches getting rid of players for poor performance, we'll have money laundering, we'll have boosters/collectives not paying kids if they don't perform, we'll have more schools putting the costs on fans, we'll have kids sitting out if they think they're worth more than they're getting paid etc.

 

[Hamms30]

When pressed for comment, Mr. Cromartie could only say...

 

[Patman]

Forget the IL or IR. We now have the NIL.

"Out For Season (NIL)"

he's not the first, we had players that did that last year but it wasn't over a pseudo-contractual spat.

 

[Patman]

I'm not surprised by anything in college sports. We'll have more players quitting on their teammates in the middle of the season, we'll have coaches getting rid of players for poor performance, we'll have money laundering, we'll have boosters/collectives not paying kids if they don't perform, we'll have more schools putting the costs on fans, we'll have kids sitting out if they think they're worth more than they're getting paid etc.

"We'll have coaches getting rid of players for poor performance", we've been doing that since football started in the scholarship era.
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As for the other parts, yes, that's exactly what's going on. At least a contract protects people in court. Look, I blame both here but this whole "brothers forever" stuff is just nonsense if money was promised. He's supposed to keep playing for what was unfulfilled promise? Funny.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Ahh yes, UNLVs NIL collective (and all others) is not at all a pay for play scheme.

 

[superjohn]

"We'll have coaches getting rid of players for poor performance", we've been doing that since football started in the scholarship era.
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As for the other parts, yes, that's exactly what's going on. At least a contract protects people in court. Look, I blame both here but this whole "brothers forever" stuff is just nonsense if money was promised. He's supposed to keep playing for what was unfulfilled promise? Funny.

I think it will be different now. Instead of honoring the yearly scholarship I think some coaches will find a way to get rid of kids during the season who aren't performing up to expectations.

It's not nonsense. It's his right to do so but quitting on his teammates like this reflects poorly on him. It was Edsall's right to quit on his guys the way he did as well but it reflects poorly on him.

 

[Connecticut13]

The kid's explanation is suspect, at best. There's no signed contract. And there's apparently no other proof of this supposed offer from the assistant coach - only the kid's word (and the word of his representative).

On top of that, he went on to play 3 games for them before deciding to walk away. And not just any 3 games -- 3 games in which he and the team were incredibly successful.

It's more likely to me that he played the 3 games (the maximum he could play before giving up the chance to redshirt) and turned some heads - and then got thinking that either UNLV should pay up or that he'd find more money elsewhere.

If you don't have a signed agreement, then you don't have a guaranteed NIL package. And if there wasn't a signed agreement, you'd think he'd at least have e-mails or texts that indicated such a promise was being made. There doesn't appear to be any of that.

I'm not buying it.

 

[superjohn]

again, what are they collecting money for if not to pay the starting QB?

I have no idea what their NIL looks like, how it works or if anyone told him he would receive money he didn't receive.

What we do know is he quit on his teammates in the middle of a surprising undefeated season. It also sounds like he never signed any contract to get this money his agent thinks the player was owed.

 

[JMick]

I have no idea what their NIL looks like, how it works or if anyone told him he would receive money he didn't receive.

What we do know is he quit on his teammates in the middle of a surprising undefeated season. It also sounds like he never signed any contract to get this money his agent thinks the player was owed.

If you start a job and they tell you your salary and then you get your first paycheck and it's lower than what they said it would be, quitting that job wouldn't be "quitting on your teammates"

There's not enough proof on either side to apply any morality.

 

[AllHusky]

I'm not surprised by anything in college sports. We'll have more players quitting on their teammates in the middle of the season, we'll have coaches getting rid of players for poor performance, we'll have money laundering, we'll have boosters/collectives not paying kids if they don't perform, we'll have more schools putting the costs on fans, we'll have kids sitting out if they think they're worth more than they're getting paid etc.

Didn't we have a couple of those mid year quitters last year? I would love to have been a fly on the wall when they were in the presence of their past teammates. Is it business as usual or did they get the freeze? My guess in this day and age that they remained slap buddies, and got a slap on the back!!

 

[WhereistheDove?]

The kid's explanation is suspect, at best. There's no signed contract. And there's apparently no other proof of this supposed offer from the assistant coach - only the kid's word (and the word of his representative).

On top of that, he went on to play 3 games for them before deciding to walk away. And not just any 3 games -- 3 games in which he and the team were incredibly successful.

It's more likely to me that he played the 3 games (the maximum he could play before giving up the chance to redshirt) and turned some heads - and then got thinking that either UNLV should pay up or that he'd find more money elsewhere.

If you don't have a signed agreement, then you don't have a guaranteed NIL package. And if there wasn't a signed agreement, you'd think he'd at least have e-mails or texts that indicated such a promise was being made. There doesn't appear to be any of that.

I'm not buying it.

I find it highly unlikely that in the world of NIL, UNLV only promised their starting QB a total package of a $3K relocation stipend. There is enough reporting about a lot of this NIL not coming through that I tend to believe the kid.

 

[superjohn]

If you start a job and they tell you your salary and then you get your first paycheck and it's lower than what they said it would be, quitting that job wouldn't be "quitting on your teammates"

There's not enough proof on either side to apply any morality.

When you start a job you sign a contract. This protects the employee and the employer.

 

[JMick]

When you start a job you sign a contract. This protects the employee and the employer.

There are jobs out there that bait and switch people on salary all the time

 

[Vowelguy]

Sounds like you never played football.

Oh please.

It's a business now.

 

[Kolumbo]

When you start a job you sign a contract. This protects the employee and the employer.

I've had many jobs as an employee and never a contract.

I think people are giving these kids way too much credit and responsibility. We read about this sheet every day and we still don't understand all the pieces. You have kids going to school and playing football and suddenly have their first and only experience with NIL and the transfer portal. I put Zero blame on the kid. There should be many adults in the room when a kid transfers explaining all the details of how it works. He supposedly went from thinking he was going to be paid $100k to actually getting paid $3k - $12k. He has one year of college eligibility left. Blame on both sides but if someone did in fact promise $100k, then the University is mostly at fault here.

 

[Vowelguy]

When you start a job you sign a contract.

Not for most jobs, no. You are an employee-at-will, and companies can do almost anything they want so long as it's not illegal.

 

[JMick]

Not for most jobs, no. You are an employee-at-will, and companies can do almost anything they want so long as it's not illegal.

Yeah you can start a job that pays $250,000/yr and then next pay period they can go "sorry, your new rate is $80,000" and it's not illegal.

 

[Purple Stein]

Employee of the University: Football player, I will give you $100,000.
Football Player, Upon Not Being Paid: You have not paid me. Pay me or I quit.
Other Employee of University: We do not respond to threats!

What a joke.

 

[Chin Diesel]

I've had many jobs as an employee and never a contract.

I think people are giving these kids way too much credit and responsibility. We read about this sheet every day and we still don't understand all the pieces. You have kids going to school and playing football and suddenly have their first and only experience with NIL and the transfer portal. I put Zero blame on the kid. There should be many adults in the room when a kid transfers explaining all the details of how it works. He supposedly went from thinking he was going to be paid $100k to actually getting paid $3k - $12k. He has one year of college eligibility left. Blame on both sides but if someone did in fact promise $100k, then the University is mostly at fault here.

The student-athletes were literally the ones who sued to put themselves into this position.

Nothing prevented Sluka from having any representation.

Welcome to the real world for these college kids.

 

[Connecticut13]

I've had many jobs as an employee and never a contract.

I think people are giving these kids way too much credit and responsibility. We read about this sheet every day and we still don't understand all the pieces. You have kids going to school and playing football and suddenly have their first and only experience with NIL and the transfer portal. I put Zero blame on the kid. There should be many adults in the room when a kid transfers explaining all the details of how it works. He supposedly went from thinking he was going to be paid $100k to actually getting paid $3k - $12k. He has one year of college eligibility left. Blame on both sides but if someone did in fact promise $100k, then the University is mostly at fault here.

He had NIL representation. If his representative really proceeded without a signed contract, then they shouldn't be in this business.

 

[huskymedic]

Gonna be a 30for30 @ this rate:

 

[Kolumbo]

The student-athletes were literally the ones who sued to put themselves into this position.

Nothing prevented Sluka from having any representation.

Welcome to the real world for these college kids.

I still place Zero blame on the kid. This will hurt UNLV far more than it hurts Sluka.

 

[Dooooooomed]

What a wild week this has been....and it's only Wednesday!

 

[superjohn]

The student-athletes were literally the ones who sued to put themselves into this position.

Nothing prevented Sluka from having any representation.

Welcome to the real world for these college kids.

Of course players, coaches, boosters, agents etc. are going to screw each other over. This is what we've signed up for.

I have zero sympathy for any of them.

 

[superjohn]

There are jobs out there that bait and switch people on salary all the time

Then don't whine about any money you were "promised."

 

[JMick]

Then don't whine about any money you were "promised."

You wouldn't be mad if you started a job and signed a pay agreement and then the next month they lowered your rate? Because that's not illegal and it happens

 

[Scoe]

The sport of football has become so watered down and become soft. Kids want everything handed to them without having to earn anything. Society has failed these kids. He better have a good story.

 

[Scoe]

You wouldn't be mad if you started a job and signed a pay agreement and then the next month they lowered your rate? Because that's not illegal and it happens

We don't know the real story yet, if that's true about UNLV making a promise and not following through then really messed up on their end. I guess you shouldn't take anyone at their word, can't trust anyone.

 

[superjohn]

You wouldn't be mad if you started a job and signed a pay agreement and then the next month they lowered your rate? Because that's not illegal and it happens

I wouldn't agree to a job if someone who can't pay me "promised" me I'll get x amount.

 

[Scoe]

There's just so many better ways to go about this then quitting on the season. Why don't you make a stand, document the verbal agreement and get the general public on your side in today's day and age of social media.