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Shifting in AP top 25: Does Tennessee drop out?

triaddukefan said:
Goes to show you how time flies. i remember a discussion we were having a few years ago about this....and discussing alternate venues in the state like Charleston..... someone brought up Florence.
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It feels like yesterday we were having that discussion lol. So glad we’re getting more hosting venues in the south. Greenville will be hosting the women’s tournament next year as well. I would like to see them move to places like Atlanta, Jacksonville, Charlotte or Nashville in the future.
 
triaddukefan said:
Dont sleep on GaTech..... mess around and get stung.
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They have promising young talent in Balogun, Dixon and Cubaj. But there’s no way GT should beat a deep and talented Cuse team.
 
SCspur said:
It feels like yesterday we were having that discussion lol. So glad we’re getting more hosting venues in the south. Greenville will be hosting the women’s tournament next year as well. I would like to see them move to places like Atlanta, Jacksonville, Charlotte or Nashville in the future.
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I think Atlanta is too big for a women's regional. It would get swallowed up there. Those places... Atlanta, Nashville, Charlotte.... should be hosting Final 4's. Greenville will be an excellent place for a regional..... not too big of a city... not too small. Great location for an arena...
 
triaddukefan said:
someone brought up Florence.
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The people of Florence have always appreciated folks with good shots.


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DefenseBB said:
Talk about redundant-here's some more "Sky is blue, Pope is Catholic, South Carolina fan upset his team dropped in standings".

This is for discussion and while I find it odd that SC dropped after a "good loss" to MSU, they do have 5 losses and while playing better, who have they beaten to warrant a higher ranking?

To me, ASU still under-ranked, Maryland finally dropping but still over-ranked. They play @tOSU, @Indiana next so we can see how they really are.

Utah is in for a rude awakening as they play "real teams" Cal/Stanford/Oregon/OSU in the next four games.

NC State is still suspect but they should survive another couple of weeks with Clemson at home and @Ga Tech, @Wake and UNC before a deadly 3 of FSU, ND, Syracuse will expose them.

This is all appetizers for tonight's duel surf and turf dishes of Tenn/Ark and SC/Mizzou....can't wait!!! :cool:
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"To me, ASU still under-ranked, Maryland finally dropping but still over-ranked."

I sat courtside at the OSU vs ASU game yesterday. Let me tell you, ASU is menacing. Every player on that roster plays fantastic defense, and, while not an offensive juggernaut, ASU can now count on more than Ibis. Reili Richardson, a sophomore, runs their team with precision, and, can't say enough about Richardson's defense. Fantastic. ASU is the real deal. Remember, ASU was down by only 1 point with 17 seconds at UO Friday night. Watching from courtside, ASU is a physical team, and I left the OSU vs ASU game thinking ASU's confidence is building, and ASU could finish as high as 3rd in the PAC-12.
 
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SCspur said:
Didn’t mean Rutgers I actually meant Gonzaga. I think the Scarlet Knights actually are playing very well considering the loss of Scaife! I was impressed with Syracuse earlier in the year but not so much now, especially after the GT loss.

Good luck Wednesday!
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Zags dropped a ton, though they did beat RU earlier in year (a quality win no doubt, but RU was far from gel-ing at that point). Also, their win against Stanford is going to continue to hold up well.
 
bballnut90 said:
How is SC down to 19??

Glad to see Tennessee out of the top 25. The only reason they were highly ranked at all this year is based off preseason rankings. You can't lose 4 in a row and get crushed by 21 to a 9-8 team and still be ranked.
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Well, Arkansas isn't. Word is they were looking forward to having the opportunity of beating a ranked team tonight. :rolleyes:
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vowelguy said:
Dont write off surprising Clemson. They're probably better than the VT team that just took NCS to OT.
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I did take a look and Amanda has done a great job with this week giving us a real chance to assess as they have NC St, ND, and Louisville next. Great observation by you!
 
LoTrader said:
"To me, ASU still under-ranked, Maryland finally dropping but still over-ranked."

I sat courtside at the OSU vs ASU game yesterday. Let me tell you, ASU is menacing. Every player on that roster plays fantastic defense, and, while not an offensive juggernaut, ASU can now count on more than Ibis. Reili Richardson, a sophomore, runs their team with precision, and, can't say enough about Richardson's defense. Fantastic. ASU is the real deal. Remember, ASU was down by only 1 point with 17 seconds at UO Friday night. Watching from courtside, ASU is a physical team, and I left the OSU vs ASU game thinking ASU's confidence is building, and ASU could finish as high as 3rd in the PAC-12.
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One very minor fact check: Richardson is a junior, not a sophomore. But agreed on all your other points.

One might argue they could be the 3rd-best team in the Pac-12, but due to the unbalanced schedule it will be extremely hard for them to finish 3rd. ASU has to play Stanford and both of the Oregon teams twice each. Contrast that to Utah, which only plays each of those three teams once each. Recall as well that Utah led ASU by 6 with 1:30 to play, and it took two 3-pointers by Ibis and the last-second prayer shot by Richardson to escape with a win.
 
Here's the change in point totals from last week. Note almost no change in top 9, and that SoCar had a relatively small drop (-28) but it came in a tight part of the chart. TX & Syr had much point drops but were in a soft spot so they only fell by 1.

Gonzaga's loss to BYU was the killer -- they had the 2nd largest point loss (after a certain Orange school).



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bballnut90 said:
How is SC down to 19??

Glad to see Tennessee out of the top 25. The only reason they were highly ranked at all this year is based off preseason rankings. You can't lose 4 in a row and get crushed by 21 to a 9-8 team and still be ranked.
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I’m not sure if I should sympathize with you or feel glad for you that this might push Holly closer to the door
 
HuskyNan said:
I’m not sure if I should sympathize with you or feel glad for you that this might push Holly closer to the door
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Glad at this point. I'd rather sacrifice this year and force the AD to get a new coach than continue being a mediocre and underachieving program for years to come.
 
vowelguy said:
Here's the change in point totals from last week. Note almost no change in top 9, and that SoCar had a relatively small drop (-28) but it came in a tight part of the chart. TX & Syr had much point drops but were in a soft spot so they only fell by 1.

Gonzaga's loss to BYU was the killer -- they had the 2nd largest point loss (after a certain Orange school).



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Nice color-coding!
 
Plebe said:
Nice color-coding!
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What's up with Marquette #10? Appear to have beaten Michigan by 11, and tearing up the Big East, but pretty rare air for a mid-major to get in the top 10!
 
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So ASU beat OSU, both rank higher,
ASU maybe (if one forgets they scored 39 points in their loss to unranked Arizona), but OSU moves up in rank as well.
To me South Carolina should not drop as they lost to a higher ranked MSST. AP ranking is always kind of off. Maybe they should delay one day and comes out on the same day as coaches’ poll.
 
As the new morning breaks and I have had time to reflect on the Tenn game and Holly’s presser, I am less full of snark and glee and more irritated.

To be blunt, how Holly handles her press conferences is a disgrace. She’s on the verge of tears most times after losses and while this particular presser did not have the usual amount of “I don’t know’s” she did admit she “wasn’t sure” a few times. IT’s THE HEAD COACHES JOB TO KNOW EXACTLY THAT! She simply is out of her depth in concept of basketball analysis and public relations with the media. She is not a leader. Great she bleeds Orange, go put her in the “Friends of Lady Vols/Booster” department and trot her out once a year at the “We Back Pat festivities”.

After watching the Tenn AD’s mischoose so many coaches these years and the fact they seemed married to a Pat Legacy, I am confident they will choose another underwhelming former Pat player for the role!
 
vowelguy said:
One notable thing: the top 8 was unanimous! Those 8 teams got all the top 8 votes.
No other team got higher than 9. Rare to see that kind of break in the data.
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Great in a sense they know how to pick the “entree’s”, but many miss the rest of the slotting-Maryland????? Texas????
 
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vowelguy said:
One notable thing: the top 8 was unanimous! Those 8 teams got all the top 8 votes.
No other team got higher than 9. Rare to see that kind of break in the data.
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Good observation.

I haven't commented much on polls, but it is beginning to stick in my craw that MSU has been consistently in the top 4 of the Massey Ratings (currently 4th) for weeks, while remaining 7th in the AP poll. Largest disparity of that type in the Top 10.

Guess I'm overly hopeful that the program has earned a level of respect in the last two years that warrants better treatment.
 
IWearShoes said:
Good observation.

I haven't commented much on polls, but it is beginning to stick in my craw that MSU has been consistently in the top 4 of the Massey Ratings (currently 4th) for weeks, while remaining 7th in the AP poll. Largest disparity of that type in the Top 10.

Guess I'm overly hopeful that the program has earned a level of respect in the last two years that warrants better treatment.
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Who are they supposed to be move ahead of, based on whom they've beaten and whom they've lost to?
 
Plebe said:
Who are they supposed to be move ahead of, based on whom they've beaten and whom they've lost to?
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They're ranked ahead of UL, Stanford and Oregon in Massey. Those teams and MSU are all likely comparable at this point with comparable resumes, but only one of them has played in the last game of the year the last two seasons and that team is ranked behind the other three by AP voters.

Again, no big deal, it will sort itself out.
 
vowelguy said:
One notable thing: the top 8 was unanimous! Those 8 teams got all the top 8 votes.
No other team got higher than 9. Rare to see that kind of break in the data.
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Let's see if they ultimately become the Elite Eight in March.
 
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