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I understand your comment on MSU. Further they are playing well in Italy, much better than I would have predicted. They are also getting a lot of production from the freshmen. However J Holmes is still with the team this summer and her presence is huge, both on and off the court. I agree it’s hard to not think that Vic will continue his normal trend. However I can’t definitively point to the leader of this team once J Holmes is gone.
I think MSST has a great chance to win SEC this coming season. I also was pleasantly surprised with MSST World University Games performance, I did not expect our freshmen to play so well. Agree we will miss Jazz and Big T but MSST has depth like we have never had before. PG play will, IMO, determine how well MSST does this next season.
 
I think Miss State will be very good, but I'm not sure I think they'll have the best offense in the SEC. I'd question the shooting a bit, particularly since I do not anticipate teams will have to collapse around the post quite as much. I do think they'll rebound the hell out of the ball and Rickea Jackson just might be good enough to carry them even as a freshman.
 
I think Miss State will be very good, but I'm not sure I think they'll have the best offense in the SEC. I'd question the shooting a bit, particularly since I do not anticipate teams will have to collapse around the post quite as much. I do think they'll rebound the hell out of the ball and Rickea Jackson just might be good enough to carry them even as a freshman.
They do return two players who shot >42% from three in Bibby and Espinoza-Hunter, both are the best returning three point shooters in the SEC. From what I understand, Rickea Jackson shoots the three well too. Potentially three starters who shoot the three really well, and AEH gets it off really quick and Bibby has a high release, so both can shoot without much time or space.
 
Agree with this. I think Amihere has the highest upside of all of our freshmen. I think Beal is the one most ready to contribute on day 1. Boston is going to be that next great SC post player. Cooke is going to be very Asia Durr-like by the time she graduates.

Amihere gets overshadowed because nobody has seen her in over a year and she's coming off an injury (keeping her healthy will be a key), but prior to injury she was #2 in that class for a reason.

Most improved: Tennessee

Dark Horses: I think Arkansas. That Razorback backcourt scares the crap out of me.. it will be one of the highest scoring in the league IMO.

Right now I'd rank the league

1a - A&M
1b - SC
1c - Miss State

4. Arkansas
5. Kentucky
6. Tennessee
7. Misery
8. Auburn
9. LSU
10. Georgia
11. Alabama
12. Ole Miss
13. Florida
14. Vanderbilt

Your predictions are pretty spot on. I personally think SC has the advantage on both Miss St and A&M this year with both games being at home. We win both of those games then we have a greater chance of winning the SEC than anyone else. It’s time we started a new home winning streak this year.

Brea and Aliyah will start imo with Destanni, Ty and KiKi. Dawn will bring her spark plugs off the bench (Zia, LA, LeLe, Victaria, Olivia, and E). If Littleton is eligible she will likely start at 3, but for now Brea is my pick.
 
Your predictions are pretty spot on. I personally think SC has the advantage on both Miss St and A&M this year with both games being at home. We win both of those games then we have a greater chance of winning the SEC than anyone else. It’s time we started a new home winning streak this year.

Brea and Aliyah will start imo with Destanni, Ty and KiKi. Dawn will bring her spark plugs off the bench (Zia, LA, LeLe, Victaria, Olivia, and E). If Littleton is eligible she will likely start at 3, but for now Brea is my pick.
SEC is going to be interesting next year. Home court is big and I agree SC does have that advantage against both MSST and A&M, however A&M has the more experienced team. Before Italy I thought both SC and A&M had the edge over MSST, now after see how well MSST is playing I think theses games will be a tossup.
 
Who do y'all think will be the most improved team next year?

Also dark horses to win the SEC?
Most improved: tempting to go with Vandy, Florida, or Ole Miss because it would be hard for them to do worse than last year. ;)
More serious answer would probably be Arkansas. I think they are still flawed and losing Malica Monk will hurt, but making the NCAAs at all would qualify them for consideration IMO.

Dark horses:
The one I'm not seeing mentioned is Auburn. They lose their starting backcourt, IIRC, but my sense is that they tend to reload at guard in Williams-Flournoy's system and the other dark horse candidates have similar issues with attrition. Unique Thompson is good in the post. But mostly it's because their style of play on D drives other teams crazy. They always seem to be offensively challenged, but I keep thinking of the defensively oriented A&M and Kentucky teams early in Blair and Mitchell's tenures at those schools. Of course, Auburn hasn't done it so far, but I'm thinking they might benefit from turnover at other schools in both players and coaches giving them a better than usual chance to get the right combination of upsets and other teams knocking each other off this season.

A question for my fellow SEC fans: Does anyone know a source for who plays 1X vs 2X this coming season and who is home vs away. That could matter.
 
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SEC is going to be interesting next year. Home court is big and I agree SC does have that advantage against both MSST and A&M, however A&M has the more experienced team. Before Italy I thought both SC and A&M had the edge over MSST, now after see how well MSST is playing I think theses games will be a tossup.

Meh. A&M will still live and die by Chennedy Carter imo. While they return their entire starting five they will still have little depth off the bench. SC will likely be playing in front of 15,000+ so the pressure will definitely be on the away team. Also how can you say the games will be a tossup by simply watching Miss St? You haven't even seen what SC or A&M will look like yet you think it’ll be a tossup.....
 
I think A&M will be much improved simply because all their starters last year were only sophomores and they add back Wilson, who is a really good shooter. A&M tends to live and die by Carter but I trust Coach Blair to improve that group and build on what they did last year. They should be great defensively with more to build on from a lot of youth last year. Washington can come from off the bench and

They went 12-4 in the conference last year, they definitely are in discussion to possibly win the SEC with SC. While SC should be good, we will have to wait and see how those highly touted freshmen translate to the college level. Losing Cooper, Jennings, and Cuevas Moore is still a bit of production.
 
I think A&M will be much improved simply because all their starters last year were only sophomores and they add back Wilson, who is a really good shooter. A&M tends to live and die by Carter but I trust Coach Blair to improve that group and build on what they did last year. They should be great defensively with more to build on from a lot of youth last year. Washington can come from off the bench and

They went 12-4 in the conference last year, they definitely are in discussion to possibly win the SEC with SC. While SC should be good, we will have to wait and see how those highly touted freshmen translate to the college level. Losing Cooper, Jennings, and Cuevas Moore is still a bit of production.

I never said A&M wouldn’t be improved or good I just simply think they will live and die by Carter and they’re still lacking depth next year. I certainly think they’re in the discussion to win the SEC, I just think the matchup favors SC. I’m by any means not underestimating anyone here, both A&M and Miss St could win the SEC.

SC will definitely be young but they have a far tougher schedule than both Miss St and A&M next year that definitely will prepare them for the SEC. I look for players like Henderson, Saxton and Grissett to make up the loss of Jennings, Cooper and Cuevas-Moore.
 
I never said A&M wouldn’t be improved or good I just simply think they will live and die by Carter and they’re still lacking depth next year. I certainly think they’re in the discussion to win the SEC, I just think the matchup favors SC. I’m by any means not underestimating anyone here, both A&M and Miss St could win the SEC.
I'm not sure lack of depth per se is really the issue. None of last year's Final Four teams went substantively deeper than 6 except when forced by foul trouble or injury.

I also don't think the SEC race will come down to one game in Columbia. It's 16 games and I'd be shocked if anyone gets through it undefeated or with only one loss. The key will be consistency, something which young teams aren't typically known for. SC might well be the exception; we shall see. No doubt they have talent.
 
Who do you guys pic for SEC freshman of the year? Jordan Hortson is the highest ranked freshman in the class. Will she win it?
 
Who do you guys pic for SEC freshman of the year? Jordan Hortson is the highest ranked freshman in the class. Will she win it?
This could be be a great race. By HG rankings, the SEC is getting 7 of the top 11 freshmen:

2. J. Horston, Tennessee
3. A. Boston, SC
4. Z. Cooke, SC
5. R. Jackson, Miss St
9. A. Blackwell, Mizzou
10. L. Amihere, SC
11. B. Beal, SC
 
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My vote is Rickea Jackson. Looks like Vic is going to make sure she gets plenty of playing time. Led the team in scoring during the World University Games. If she stays healthy, will challenge LaToya Thomas as greatest Lady Bulldog ever.
 
This could be be a great race. By HG rankings, the SEC is getting 7 of the top 11 freshmen:

2. J. Horston, Tennessee
3. A. Boston, SC
4. Z. Cooke, SC
5. R. Jackson, Miss St
9. A. Blackwell, Mizzou
10. L. Amihere, SC
11. B. Beal, SC
Yes I agree.
 
Meh. A&M will still live and die by Chennedy Carter imo. While they return their entire starting five they will still have little depth off the bench. SC will likely be playing in front of 15,000+ so the pressure will definitely be on the away team. Also how can you say the games will be a tossup by simply watching Miss St? You haven't even seen what SC or A&M will look like yet you think it’ll be a tossup.....
I felt like the top 3 teams in the SEC were 1. A&M, 2. SC, and 3. MSST. Still believe that is the most likely ranking as of today but having seen MSST play, IMHO, we are better than I thought. I saw A&M last year and they are bringing everybody back so as of today I believe they have the inside track for SEC. My opinion of SC is based upon the freshmen class they have coming in for next season, however, unlike MSST, I have not seen then in action yet. I believe the talent level for all 3 teams is fairly equal and that is why I said, IMO, those games will be a tossup.
 
I'm not sure lack of depth per se is really the issue. None of last year's Final Four teams went substantively deeper than 6 except when forced by foul trouble or injury.

I also don't think the SEC race will come down to one game in Columbia. It's 16 games and I'd be shocked if anyone gets through it undefeated or with only one loss. The key will be consistency, something which young teams aren't typically known for. SC might well be the exception; we shall see. No doubt they have talent.

Are we going to act like those teams weren’t on a different level from A&M talent wise???

Each of those teams had multiple consensus top 10 players in the starting lineup. A&M only has Carter, who were top 10, with Johnson and Wilson top twenty. Wells was top 50 but Jones wasn’t. After those five they have a senior pg in Washington, another pg in Green who was rated 88th best player out of high school, and Hearn who barely played at UCLA. Not sure their quite on the level as last years FF squads.

I don’t think any team will go undefeated in SEC play and I don’t think SC will just run over every team they face. But I do feel The toughest matchups are versus Miss St and A&M, and both of those games for SC are at home this year hence why I feel SC has an advantage in those matchups. Had SC travelled to either school this year then I feel like it would be a tossup.
 
Are we going to act like those teams weren’t on a different level from A&M talent wise???

Each of those teams had multiple consensus top 10 players in the starting lineup. A&M only has Carter, who were top 10, with Johnson and Wilson top twenty. Wells was top 50 but Jones wasn’t. After those five they have a senior pg in Washington, another pg in Green who was rated 88th best player out of high school, and Hearn who barely played at UCLA. Not sure their quite on the level as last years FF squads.

I don’t think any team will go undefeated in SEC play and I don’t think SC will just run over every team they face. But I do feel The toughest matchups are versus Miss St and A&M, and both of those games for SC are at home this year hence why I feel SC has an advantage in those matchups. Had SC travelled to either school this year then I feel like it would be a tossup.
I wasn't equating their level of play. My point was only that a team with more depth doesn't necessarily have the advantage over a team with less depth.

My other point was that those marquee matchups might not be what decides the SEC race. It could come down to how consistently those top 2 or 3 teams play against the likes of Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, etc.

I'm not looking to recruitment rankings as the predictive factor. Kayla Wells was #86 by HG, but she's clearly proven way better than that. (Should've been all-SEC imo, for sure ahead of Rennia Davis.)
 
I felt like the top 3 teams in the SEC were 1. A&M, 2. SC, and 3. MSST. Still believe that is the most likely ranking as of today but having seen MSST play, IMHO, we are better than I thought. I saw A&M last year and they are bringing everybody back so as of today I believe they have the inside track for SEC. My opinion of SC is based upon the freshmen class they have coming in for next season, however, unlike MSST, I have not seen then in action yet. I believe the talent level for all 3 teams is fairly equal and that is why I said, IMO, those games will be a tossup.

For the most part I agree with you. Those 3 will without a doubt be the best teams in the SEC next year. I don’t think A&M is as talented as SC, Miss St, or even Tenn for that matter. When you look at the entirety of each teams roster, A&M is not on the same level. They will benefit greatly from a team that has cohesion and a good coach.

I disagree however on your opinion on SC is based on the freshman coming in. While they are highly talented, SC’s success will come from its senior leaders Ty Harris and Hebert-Harrigan leading the way. Those two along with key returners Henderson, Saxton, and Grissett will be the biggest factors in how good SC will be next year. The freshman will just be an added bonus imo.
 
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I wasn't equating their level of play. My point was only that a team with more depth doesn't necessarily have the advantage over a team with less depth.

My other point was that those marquee matchups might not be what decides the SEC race. It could come down to how consistently those top 2 or 3 teams play against the likes of Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, etc.

I'm not looking to recruitment rankings as the predictive factor. Kayla Wells was #86 by HG, but she's clearly proven way better than that. (Should've been all-SEC imo, for sure ahead of Rennia Davis.)

I was pointing out the simple fact that those teams were able to survive without depth because the talent gap between them and everyone else was huge. Each had go to players and teams that could score and defend at a high level for 40 minutes. Not sure A&M falls into that category. Whenever Carter got into foul trouble last year, A&M took a nose dive in all categories. I just feel like they need more than 5 or 6 to be as effective and make the FF.

I’m not sure about Miss St or A&M but SC plays both Kentucky and Arkansas twice next year with Tennessee at home and Misery on the road so there’s definitely some tough matchups to say the least. As long as they take care of business at home they should be right there in the race to the top.

I didn’t think Wells would be as good as she was last year and definitely deserved at least second team All-SEC last year. Interested to see if she can take a even bigger leap next year. I usually don’t look to rankings to predict players either but for the most part the elite players usually live up to their hype.
 
For the most part I agree with you. Those 3 will without a doubt be the best teams in the SEC next year. I don’t think A&M is as talented as SC, Miss St, or even Tenn for that matter. When you look at the entirety of each teams roster, A&M is not on the same level. They will benefit greatly from a team that has cohesion and a good coach.

I disagree however on your opinion on SC is based on the freshman coming in. While they are highly talented, SC’s success will come from its senior leaders Ty Harris and Hebert-Harrigan leading the way. Those two along with key returners Henderson, Saxton, and Grissett will be the biggest factors in how good SC will be next year. The freshman will just be an added bonus imo.
If you are correct, freshmen not deciding factor, A&M will definitely have the inside track. Before Italy I would have agreed with you on the freshmen being vital factor for MSST but I now believe we may have 3 or 4 freshmen starters by the time SEC play begins. As of today, I think Jackson and Hemingway will be starters for MSST and Matahru and Young will be getting major minutes. If SC freshmen are not significant contributors I believe SC will number 3 at best in the SEC, however SC freshman class is loaded and I suspect they will be vital to SC success.
 
If you are correct, freshmen not deciding factor, A&M will definitely have the inside track. Before Italy I would have agreed with you on the freshmen being vital factor for MSST but I now believe we may have 3 or 4 freshmen starters by the time SEC play begins. As of today, I think Jackson and Hemingway will be starters for MSST and Matahru and Young will be getting major minutes. If SC freshmen are not significant contributors I believe SC will number 3 at best in the SEC, however SC freshman class is loaded and I suspect they will be vital to SC success.

Yes they will be vital but they need to be led like all freshman do. I think Beal and Boston will start from day one along with Harris, Henderson and HH but Grissett and Saxton off the bench will be just as key as those two in the starting lineup.
 
Yes they will be vital but they need to be led like all freshman do. I think Beal and Boston will start from day one along with Harris, Henderson and HH but Grissett and Saxton off the bench will be just as key as those two in the starting lineup.
Your sleeper is Zia Cooke. I think she will be a major surprise for SC!
 
Your sleeper is Zia Cooke. I think she will be a major surprise for SC!

I personally feel as though Amihere will be the sleeper since she’s the one that isn’t talked about much. Zia gets tons of recognition and should be a major factor but it’s Amihere that’ll blow everyone away one she steps on the court.
 
I never said A&M wouldn’t be improved or good I just simply think they will live and die by Carter and they’re still lacking depth next year. I certainly think they’re in the discussion to win the SEC, I just think the matchup favors SC. I’m by any means not underestimating anyone here, both A&M and Miss St could win the SEC.

SC will definitely be young but they have a far tougher schedule than both Miss St and A&M next year that definitely will prepare them for the SEC. I look for players like Henderson, Saxton and Grissett to make up the loss of Jennings, Cooper and Cuevas-Moore.
Do you know something about our nonconference schedule that I don't know?
 
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Who do you guys pic for SEC freshman of the year? Jordan Hortson is the highest ranked freshman in the class. Will she win it?


I think its going to come down between Horston, Z. Cooke and R. Jackson. All three are the real deal.

Watching Miss St this past week in the tournament, Jackson showed me a lot and potentially is capable of leading a team even as a true frosh. Very few true frosh can do that but I think she is not the norm. She is the entire package and I enjoyed watching her play a lot.
 
I think its going to come down between Horston, Z. Cooke and R. Jackson. All three are the real deal.

Watching Miss St this past week in the tournament, Jackson showed me a lot and potentially is capable of leading a team even as a true frosh. Very few true frosh can do that but I think she is not the norm. She is the entire package and I enjoyed watching her play a lot.
I'm not sure Cooke will have a big enough impact with both Henderson and Harris presumably ahead of her. Post players aren't typically FOY type impact players early, but I do think Aliyah Boston could have a big impact for SC. I also wouldn't count out Aijha Blackwell for Mizzou. For them to have a pretty good season, she will have to be playing close to SEC FOY level.
 
Who do you guys pic for SEC freshman of the year? Jordan Hortson is the highest ranked freshman in the class. Will she win it?
I think either Hortson, Tiara Young, rickea or one of Mizzou players gonna win it. Based on the fact they'll be relied on and possibly starting day 1.
 
I was mainly referencing to years past.
Fair enough. Our fans would like a stronger nonconference schedule. It doesn’t help that some of the logical opponents in Texas don’t want to play us. Last year, I believe our final rpi going into the NCAA tourney was actually better than I expected thanks to Rice making the tourney, USCw finishing stronger than expected, Syracuse having a good season, and of course beating Oregon State in Hawaii. Not close to playing Baylor and UConn.

I’m not sure how much of it is Blair’s preferences vs if there are other teams who don’t have us on their list of desirable nonconference opponents.
 
For FOY I'm going with either Horston or Jackson.

Horston just because I think she is THAT good already, she could start on any SEC team and Jackson because Miss State is already her team, so that ball is going to come her way a lot.. so she'll get the jump on the rest of the candidates as far as opportunities.

I think Cooke is also capable of SEC FOY but I don't think she'll make that much of an impact early... her presence will be felt late in the season. Boston will likely start for SC, but post players come on slower usually.. so she'll have a chance to show her college readiness early.
 
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