Schedule PC

[HawkHusky]

You actually read my post above where I stated the opposite of what you said I wrote?

I read your post saying you'd rather play PC than Auburn, but then you've also been very critical of playing PC while, at the same time, bringing up Auburn as a quality opponent. You can't have it both ways...

 

[upstater]

I read your post saying you'd rather play PC than Auburn, but then you've also been very critical of playing PC while, at the same time, bringing up Auburn as a quality opponent. You can't have it both ways...

No, I'm critical of people saying that UConn somehow doesn't have a strong OOC schedule and that it should be scheduling PC. Yes, I'm critical of that for a number of reasons, but here are the best 2.

1. UConn has a strong OOC.
2. If we're talking about future schedules, there are a lot of teams out there I'd rather play before PC. A lot.

Auburn is only part of this discussion because our AD scheduled a home and home with them, and they are on the schedule. They are otherwise irrelevant. They were not on my list of 40 I'd prefer UConn to play. But they are on the schedule, and it is going to be a pretty tough game. Auburn is only relevant in the sense that it is one of the 7 tough OOC games that UConn scheduled this year.

If you're talking about the future, then I will go back to my earlier post: there are approximately 40 teams I'd rather play before PC. If we play PC, that's fine too.

 

[Chief00]

No, I'm critical of people saying that UConn somehow doesn't have a strong OOC schedule and that it should be scheduling PC. Yes, I'm critical of that for a number of reasons, but here are the best 2.

1. UConn has a strong OOC.
2. If we're talking about future schedules, there are a lot of teams out there I'd rather play before PC. A lot.

Auburn is only part of this discussion because our AD scheduled a home and home with them, and they are on the schedule. They are otherwise irrelevant. They were not on my list of 40 I'd prefer UConn to play. But they are on the schedule, and it is going to be a pretty tough game. Auburn is only relevant in the sense that it is one of the 7 tough OOC games that UConn scheduled this year.

If you're talking about the future, then I will go back to my earlier post: there are approximately 40 teams I'd rather play before PC. If we play PC, that's fine too.

We are talking about a OOC HOME schedule for loyal season ticket holders and yes even for casual fans like yourself.

 

[upstater]

We are talking about a OOC HOME schedule for loyal season ticket holders and yes even for casual fans like yourself.

If you're whining like a baby, you're a casual fan. 7 tough OOC games. What more could you want? Stop whining.

 

[FriarJ]

If you're whining like a baby, you're a casual fan. 7 tough OOC games. What more could you want? Stop whining.

I know you will argue until your last breath but what part of the word "HOME". Is stumping you? Is it the H and the O. Or the M and the E? Maybe just putting them all together is too much for you. Do you live near Hartford or Storrs? Do you attend games in those areas? Also known as "HOME". I'm starting to think you don't live anywhere near there so you can't quite comprehend what "HOME" games actually mean.

You blather on and on about MSG, and other neutral games but guess what, when fans plop down big money for their season tickets, they don't receive tickets to those games. They have to pay extra for them. You obviously aren't a season ticket holder, or you wouldn't be sounding such the fool.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

FriarJ,

Are you suggesting that the solution would be for PC to play UConn at UConn in an arrangement similar to what we've done recently with the likes of Quinnipiac, Vermont, Coppin St., etc?

If you are as fixated on the term 'home' as you believe Upstater should be the only way adding PC makes any sense is as a replacement for one of the home game only opponents we face at the start of every season. The possibility of it also costing us a home date in s subsequent season (or replacing a home date with a neutral site game) makes it an entirely different argument.

 

[FriarJ]

FriarJ,

Are you suggesting that the solution would be for PC to play UConn at UConn in an arrangement similar to what we've done recently with the likes of Quinnipiac, Vermont, Coppin St., etc?

If you are as fixated on the term 'home' as you believe Upstater should be the only way adding PC makes any sense is as a replacement for one of the home game only opponents we face at the start of every season. The possibility of it also costing us a home date in s subsequent season (or replacing a home date with a neutral site game) makes it an entirely different argument.

Good grief, I can only assume you are being this obtuse with all my posts on purpose. There are no hidden meanings, what I mean to say is exactly what I post. UConn's home schedule sucks, doing a home and home for a length of years and a game maybe at Mohegan helps that. All goofball wants to talk about is the overall OOC schedule which no one will argue is good. That is not the point here. The point is getting both our schools a quality opponent that will fill the arena. If you had season tickets and you may, then this matters.

 

[Chief00]

Anyone who thinks our home schedule is fine doesn't buy season tickets and attend the games.

 

[StunningSteve]

Anyone who thinks our home schedule is fine doesn't buy season tickets and attend the games.

Can't complain about the conference home draw. The league was generous with its pairings. UConn will play UCF (Dawkins), Cincinnati (Cronin), East Carolina (Lebo), Memphis (Tubby), USF (Gregory), SMU (Jankovich), Temple (Dunphy), Tulsa (Haith) and Wichita State (Greg Marshall) at home as part of conference play in the American.

OOC, Nova (Wright) highlights the draw. Syracuse (Boehiem) at MSG.

 

[upstater]

I know you will argue until your last breath but what part of the word "HOME". Is stumping you? Is it the H and the O. Or the M and the E? Maybe just putting them all together is too much for you. Do you live near Hartford or Storrs? Do you attend games in those areas? Also known as "HOME". I'm starting to think you don't live anywhere near there so you can't quite comprehend what "HOME" games actually mean.

You blather on and on about MSG, and other neutral games but guess what, when fans plop down big money for their season tickets, they don't receive tickets to those games. They have to pay extra for them. You obviously aren't a season ticket holder, or you wouldn't be sounding such the fool.

Have you ever heard of a home-and-home? Apparently not. It means you have to return the games.

I challenge you to name me another team with more than 7 touch games. Go ahead.

UConn fans would rather have an MSG game than an extra home game against P5. That much is obvious. Why don't you get that?

 

[Chief00]

Can't complain about the conference home draw. The league was generous with its pairings. UConn will play UCF (Dawkins), Cincinnati (Cronin), East Carolina (Lebo), Memphis (Tubby), USF (Gregory), SMU (Jankovich), Temple (Dunphy), Tulsa (Haith) and Wichita State (Greg Marshall) at home as part of conference play in the American.

OOC, Nova (Wright) highlights the draw. Syracuse (Boehiem) at MSG.

When you have to slip in a MSG "Home game" to make your case, that's not in the season ticket package - because it's not a home OOC game - that says it all.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Anyone who thinks our home schedule is fine doesn't buy season tickets and attend the games.

The issue isn't whether or not the home schedule is 'fine'.

Anyone who thinks that adding PC to the schedule would be in place of an opponent like Central Connecticut or Boston U doesn't understand how this works and is the epitome of a casual fan.

Anyone who believes that a home and home with PC would be materially more beneficial to our program than any non conference home and home that we've played since we joined the AAC needs to explain how that is the case.

If we were to start scheduling home and homes with former conference mates there are a number of schools who should be prioritized above PC, even if they did finally win one NCAA tournament game this millenium.

 

[Chief00]

The issue isn't whether or not the home schedule is 'fine'.

Anyone who thinks that adding PC to the schedule would be in place of an opponent like Central Connecticut or Boston U doesn't understand how this works and is the epitome of a casual fan.

Anyone who believes that a home and home with PC would be materially more beneficial to our program than any non conference home and home that we've played since we joined the AAC needs to explain how that is the case.

If we were to start scheduling home and homes with former conference mates there are a number of schools who should be prioritized above PC, even if they did finally win one NCAA tournament game this millenium.

I don't agree that's how XL home games work - we could get 15k fans for PC vs 8k for a cupcake at XL - so that's the equalvalent of playing a cupcake for 2 home games. Additionally, we have gone to pricing games differently the last few years in basketball and football - not one size fits all. So we might charge $35 or $40 for PC vs $20-$25 for s cupcake.
Lew was a good AD and a friend but the cash cow model he used is now outdated - people have too many entertainment options - and tickets are no longer the same $15 per game for every game. You need to be more nimble today.
If we could get additional TV money for better games that would help too.

 

[upstater]

When you have to slip in a MSG "Home game" to make your case, that's not in the season ticket package - because it's not a home OOC game - that says it all.

MSG is central to all of this. UConn could easily forget about MSG and do another home and home. That would work.

Remove MSG. You have 2 home games against P5 and 2 away games. Simple as that.

I'll say this again. NO team out of 3,000 plus has 8 games against P5.

This means that, given the MSG game, UConn could have had EITHER 2 home games against P5 or else 1. And that all depended on what happened last year or the previous year, or even the future, and what they owed.

If you get rid of MSG, then of course you can have 2 P5 home games. But if you keep MSG, and you add another P5 home game (which you'll owe a return on next year) you will be doing something that no other school in America does, and that is play 8 P5 homes games, or more.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The issue isn't whether or not the home schedule is 'fine'.

Anyone who thinks that adding PC to the schedule would be in place of an opponent like Central Connecticut or Boston U doesn't understand how this works and is the epitome of a casual fan.

Anyone who believes that a home and home with PC would be materially more beneficial to our program than any non conference home and home that we've played since we joined the AAC needs to explain how that is the case.

If we were to start scheduling home and homes with former conference mates there are a number of schools who should be prioritized above PC, even if they did finally win one NCAA tournament game this millenium.

It would be very beneficial because we get two home games out of it. One in Hartford, one in Providence. My stipulation to PC for the series would be this. You must sell single game tickets to the game at the Dunk. None of that crap they pulled towards the end of the Big East selling UConn games only in a 3 game package.

Do that and half the folks in the Dunk are wearing blue. Plus, travel costs are negligible for the team.

 

[FriarJ]

Have you ever heard of a home-and-home? Apparently not. It means you have to return the games.

I challenge you to name me another team with more than 7 touch games. Go ahead.

UConn fans would rather have an MSG game than an extra home game against P5. That much is obvious. Why don't you get that?

Are you a season ticket holder? Simple question with a one word response.

 

[upstater]

Are you a season ticket holder? Simple question with a one word response.

I don't live within 400 miles of there.
Even if I was, it wouldn't make any difference. I don't whine about these things. Also, my school isn't on the wall of shame of schools of historically bad OOC schedules, as yours is. UConn has nothing to apologize for when it schedules 7 OOC. PC on the other hand.

 

[FriarJ]

I don't live within 400 miles of there.
Even if I was, it wouldn't make any difference. I don't whine about these things. Also, my school isn't on the wall of shame of schools of historically bad OOC schedules, as yours is. UConn has nothing to apologize for when it schedules 7 OOC. PC on the other hand.

I didn't think you were. And you have no idea what you're talking about. UConn's OOC is excellent. Historically bad OOC schedules for PC? check out their OOC ranks for the last 6 years under Cooley before you say something foolish again. No, it does not touch UConn's, UConn's is great. It has to be...

Once again ours in not yours but historically bad? wall of shame?

 

[upstater]

Once again ours in not yours but historically bad? wall of shame?

As posted in the G'town thread, there are only 9 power schools schools that have had a worse OOC schedule than PC 2012. Pathetic.

 

[Chief00]

MSG is central to all of this. UConn could easily forget about MSG and do another home and home. That would work.

Remove MSG. You have 2 home games against P5 and 2 away games. Simple as that.

I'll say this again. NO team out of 3,000 plus has 8 games against P5.

This means that, given the MSG game, UConn could have had EITHER 2 home games against P5 or else 1. And that all depended on what happened last year or the previous year, or even the future, and what they owed.

If you get rid of MSG, then of course you can have 2 P5 home games. But if you keep MSG, and you add another P5 home game (which you'll owe a return on next year) you will be doing something that no other school in America does, and that is play 8 P5 homes games, or more.

There are like 8 cupcake games we could trade off one - which no one would even remotely miss. You are bringing up a crazy false choice narrative with MSG.

 

[upstater]

There are like 8 cupcake games we could trade off one - which no one would even remotely miss. You are bringing up a crazy false choice narrative with MSG.

There are not.

Where do you get that?

They have Colgate, Boston U, Columbia, Monmouth and Coppin State. Five.

You can eliminate any one of these and go to 8 power conference games. Which is more than every other school in America. But like I said, and also others, there are a great many schools that would make for better opponents if you were going to do this.

 

[FriarJ]

As posted in the G'town thread, there are only 9 power schools schools that have had a worse OOC schedule than PC 2012. Pathetic.

I'm confused on what you are saying here. Since 2012 or for 2012?

You guys have this killer OOC schedule this year that to you is all that matters and you could care less what the season ticket holders have to deal with, that's apparent. But here is something else that is apparent. At the end of the year, PC will have a stronger schedule rank than UConn as it has every single year since the split. In other words you have to pump the OOC just to try and get your RPI up there. Scheduling PC doesn't hurt that anymore. In fact it helps that.

 

[upstater]

I'm confused on what you are saying here. Since 2012 or for 2012?

You guys have this killer OOC schedule this year that to you is all that matters and you could care less what the season ticket holders have to deal with, that's apparent. But here is something else that is apparent. At the end of the year, PC will have a stronger schedule rank than UConn as it has every single year since the split. In other words you have to pump the OOC just to try and get your RPI up there. Scheduling PC doesn't hurt that anymore. In fact it helps that.

2012. Your SOS was ranked 337 in the nation.

As for your SOS (or even conference SOS) being stronger every year since the split, it wasn't true of 2014. UConn's conference schedule was ranked 26 that year. Non-conference: 55. PC meanwhile was ranked 40 conference/72 outside it.

By the way, are you sure that PC even wants to play UConn? I mean, the last 2 years, your OOC has been ranked 180 (2016) and holy moly, 287!!! (2017). That is awful. What makes you think PC wants to play UConn?

 

[Chief00]

There are not.

Where do you get that?

They have Colgate, Boston U, Columbia, Monmouth and Coppin State. Five.

You can eliminate any one of these and go to 8 power conference games. Which is more than every other school in America. But like I said, and also others, there are a great many schools that would make for better opponents if you were going to do this.

Hopefully you don't work in business because you have no clue how to make money. If this is such a great home schedule, why did we average 8k fans per game last season and many were empty sold seats.

Do you have season tickets or are you watching HD TV in your basement?

 

[Stainmaster]

If this is such a great home schedule, why did we average 8k fans per game last season and many were empty sold seats.

Do you have season tickets or are you watching HD TV in your basement?

Because the fanbase is comprised of frontrunners and bandwagoners who only care about "what have you done for me lately?"

 

[Chief00]

Because the fanbase is comprised of frontrunners and bandwagoners who only care about "what have you done for me lately?"

So you are now calling many in the fan base casual fans. What a turnaround.

 

[upstater]

Hopefully you don't work in business because you have no clue how to make money. If this is such a great home schedule, why did we average 8k fans per game last season and many were empty sold seats.

Do you have season tickets or are you watching HD TV in your basement?

You do realize that you make money from empty sold seats, don't you?

Are you sure you know about "business?"

They obviously like cupcake games for 2 reasons: NO RETURN GAMES, WINS. Simple as that.

Hell, Chief, why not play twice as many P5s OOC than any other team in America. You could have 15 P5 OOC games.

 

[FriarJ]

2012. Your SOS was ranked 337 in the nation.

As for your SOS (or even conference SOS) being stronger every year since the split, it wasn't true of 2014. UConn's conference schedule was ranked 26 that year. Non-conference: 55. PC meanwhile was ranked 40 conference/72 outside it.

By the way, are you sure that PC even wants to play UConn? I mean, the last 2 years, your OOC has been ranked 180 (2016) and holy moly, 287!!! (2017). That is awful. What makes you think PC wants to play UConn?

Good grief you are a moron. Now argue with me about that statement. Look up last word in the dictionary and your picture is that. Your hang up with OOC is impressive but as we said you don't go to the games so I get it

 

[upstater]

Good grief you are a moron. Now argue with me about that statement. Look up last word in the dictionary and your picture is that. Your hang up with OOC is impressive but as we said you don't go to the games so I get it

You have an aversion to facts. Don't lie next time. You were wrong. Admit it, instead of crying like a petulant child.

 

[Chief00]

You do realize that you make money from empty sold seats, don't you?

Are you sure you know about "business?"

They obviously like cupcake games for 2 reasons: NO RETURN GAMES, WINS. Simple as that.

Hell, Chief, why not play twice as many P5s OOC than any other team in America. You could have 15 P5 OOC games.

I am throwing a Hail Mary pass and trying to coach you up on this and hope something sinks in.
As I stated, Lew's old cash cow model is obsolete. The dogs are not eating the food. You can argue they should but they aren't. People want quality and entertainment today or else they will spend their discretionary money elsewhere.