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Jbirdp5 said:
So your position is you would rather be someone’s easy W to pad their stats than to play and try to win against teams the fan base cares about beating?
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No, my point is we'll get games against P5/P4/P3/P2 conferences (whatever it ends up being); some winnable and some not so much (e.g. upcoming against Clemson). Bottom line is I'd much rather play "up" in competition and play more attractive programs in football. Similar to what the basketball program gets in the BE versus being in the AAC. Better for the fanbase, better for the athletes/competition, etc.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
BC, Syracuse and UConn can create their own football conference by adding Villanova, Temple, Army, Navy and maybe Delaware, Buffalo and Umass.

No thanks - would way rather be Independent than this ^
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Why would BC and Syracuse choose to leave the ACC? They may occupy the bottom tier of ACC football (hoops too), but the $$$$$ still flow. No way they leave, unless forced out, or the conference disbands with the defections of Clemson, Fla St., Ga Tech, UNC, etc.

At this juncture, UConn football being independent gives us the potential of options down the line.
 
Viet Vet said:
Why would BC and Syracuse choose to leave the ACC? They may occupy the bottom tier of ACC football (hoops too), but the $$$$$ still flow. No way they leave, unless forced out, or the conference disbands with the defections of Clemson, Fla St., Ga Tech, UNC, etc.

At this juncture, UConn football being independent gives us the potential of options down the line.
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Agreeing with you - you conflated my position with the OP. :)
 
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CTFAN4LIFE said:
No, my point is we'll get games against P5/P4/P3/P2 conferences (whatever it ends up being); some winnable and some not so much (e.g. upcoming against Clemson). Bottom line is I'd much rather play "up" in competition and play more attractive programs in football. Similar to what the basketball program gets in the BE versus being in the AAC. Better for the fanbase, better for the athletes/competition, etc.
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Relying on being a buy game for teams is going to get tougher if leagues keep adding more and more league games to the schedule. If we can be in a conference people care about against universities with some shared history I think it would be a home run. To be able to win games will certainly help all problems.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
Disagree - they'll have some because they will all want to pad their schedule for "easy" W's. And, we could do some horse trading: men's and women's bball games for football games.

And, if we're going to play teams on a par with the ones you listed, I'm sure we'd much rather have at least some of them be in FL, TX, and other better recruiting areas.
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No one knows what will happen but the SEC ADs are interested in going to 11 all conference games with one reserved for outside yearly rival. When you combine this with a championship game and perhaps even a team conference playoff if they reach 20 teams, and then of course a 12 team football playoff, there will be no room for anything else.
 
Viet Vet said:
Why would BC and Syracuse choose to leave the ACC? They may occupy the bottom tier of ACC football (hoops too), but the $$$$$ still flow. No way they leave, unless forced out, or the conference disbands with the defections of Clemson, Fla St., Ga Tech, UNC, etc.

At this juncture, UConn football being independent gives us the potential of options down the line.
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The whole point of the original post was what happens when the ACC loses 6 teams to the B1G and SEC
 
upstater said:
No one knows what will happen but the SEC ADs are interested in going to 11 all conference games with one reserved for outside yearly rival. When you combine this with a championship game and perhaps even a team conference playoff if they reach 20 teams, and then of course a 12 team football playoff, there will be no room for anything else.
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11 games?!?
a team would need to go 5-6 in conference to have a shot at a bowl.
I would be shocked if they went to 11 right now.
 
Vowelguy said:
11 games?!?
a team would need to go 5-6 in conference to have a shot at a bowl.
I would be shocked if they went to 11 right now.
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Agreed - I think the whole idea of the SEC being college's version of the NFL is not going to happen overnight but rather in 10 years plus or minus. Even if there is another super conference, my belief is that there'd be a good 20 or so solid programs spread across the country for us to play games against (2 or 4 game series). Then add in games against geographic rivals, etc. and it all works out better than playing in a conference with the schools listed in the OP.
 
The SEC would be short sighted to move to an 11 game conference schedule. First off half the teams would struggle to become bowl eligible as your getting rid of their out of conference games and then your top teams lose some cache going 8-4, 9-3 as opposed to 11-1 or 12-0.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
The SEC would be short sighted to move to an 11 game conference schedule. First off half the teams would struggle to become bowl eligible as your getting rid of their out of conference games and then your top teams lose some cache going 8-4, 9-3 as opposed to 11-1 or 12-0.
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I think the 6 win bowl eligibility requirement will go away with the demise/restructuring of the NCAA. Bowls have contracts with conferences and the polls will determine the playoff teams. Teams will go to good bowls with 7-8 wins.
 
Vowelguy said:
11 games?!?
a team would need to go 5-6 in conference to have a shot at a bowl.
I would be shocked if they went to 11 right now.
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They are already pushing toward 11 because there will be conference playoffs and bigger national playoffs. I read this late last week with SEC ADs discussing it.
 
gampelcrazies said:
gampelcrazies said:
Interesting thread on the St Johns message board

Big East going to Big Ten?

Big East going to Big Ten?
johnnyjungle.com
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Very interesting idea. Would solidify the Big 10s basketball/other sports presence in the northeast, especially NYC with Seton Hall, St. Johns, and the 6th Borough. However, would state flagships be ok — Nebraska, Illinois, Indiana, theOSU, Penn State, Maryland (Gtown), Rutgers — bringing private Catholic school in their respective states into the fold? From a UConn perspective we could stay indy with a scheduling alliance, or say yes to football in the Big 10 if offered.
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BoukofJames said:
I’m not a historian on this matter, but folks in The Athletic comment section seem to believe UConn is blackballed from the ACC because of Blumenthal’s lawsuits
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I think it had to do with the old BC/UC bad blood. Before Blooming idiot.
 
CTFIRERETIRED said:
I think it had to do with the old BC/UC bad blood. Before Blooming idiot.
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The lawsuit was lead by Syracuse and in fact, the insults were openly lobbed at BC and the ACC primarily from the Pitt President. He got personal.
 
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CTFIRERETIRED said:
WVA, maybe.................Kansas? I don't think so. Think on this, could you see some ACC teams bolt? I could see Fl St., Miami, Clemson. Forming a 2 or 3, or 4 division conference. Now bear with me. A giant SEC mega-conference.
SEC-1: Clemson, Miami, Florida, Florida ST. South Carolina
SEC-2: Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Miss St. Vanderbilt
SEC-3: Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Auburn
SEC-4 Texas, OK. ,Texas A&M, and either/or Baylor, Texas Tech, or OK St.
3 of the divisions have 5 teams, with only 1 with 6. Un-Wielding YES. a possibility? Why not. With the collegiete map the way it is now, anything is possible. The NCAA is no longer the ruling party. It's the mega conferences that are holding sway, and NO, I have not been smoking any weird herbs. Just look at the idea. I mean it makes a lot more sense than that abomination of the American Conference, UCONN spent those years in. It has some rivalry possibilies with the SC/Fl teams, the central area of TN, GA, MS, KY, then AL, AR, MO, LA, and the TX/OK teams.
What say many of you?
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This morning, saw a story that both Clemson, and Fl. St. are trying to move to the SEC. Apparently the SEC has it's sights set on scooping up Notre Dame. My question is, will ND be a full time, i.e all sports, or will they try to continue as an independent football club. News flash ND, it's not the old days anymore.
 
upstater said:
The lawsuit was lead by Syracuse and in fact, the insults were openly lobbed at BC and the ACC primarily from the Pitt President. He got personal.
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Actually, Blumenthal spearheaded the lawsuit and sued a lot of people personally to ratchet up the animosity. But, at this point, it doesn't matter anymore because the SEC just jumped to hyperspace and word is that Clemson and FSU want a piece.


Clemson, Florida State Reach Out to SEC About Joining Conference (Report)​

The news could be problematic for the ACC and potentially Syracuse.
MIKE MCALLISTERAUG 2, 2021
  • Clemson and Florida State have reached out to the SEC to inquire about joining the conference, according to a report from Marc Ryan, Assistant Program Director of ESPN Upstate.
    "Per a reliable source, Clemson+Florida State have reached out to the SEC about joining the conference," Ryan tweeted. "The SEC is concerned that streaming numbers for Clemson+Florida State don't bring what Oklahoma+Texas do. Notre Dame is the only 'free agent' left that would 'add to the pot.'"
 
Sea Goat said:
Actually, Blumenthal spearheaded the lawsuit and sued a lot of people personally to ratchet up the animosity. But, at this point, it doesn't matter anymore because the SEC just jumped to hyperspace and word is that Clemson and FSU want a piece.


Clemson, Florida State Reach Out to SEC About Joining Conference (Report)​

The news could be problematic for the ACC and potentially Syracuse.
MIKE MCALLISTERAUG 2, 2021
  • Clemson and Florida State have reached out to the SEC to inquire about joining the conference, according to a report from Marc Ryan, Assistant Program Director of ESPN Upstate.
    "Per a reliable source, Clemson+Florida State have reached out to the SEC about joining the conference," Ryan tweeted. "The SEC is concerned that streaming numbers for Clemson+Florida State don't bring what Oklahoma+Texas do. Notre Dame is the only 'free agent' left that would 'add to the pot.'"
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Pittsburgh president at the time, Nordenberg, headed the BE and had many choice things to say about the ACC and their lack of integrity. Nordenberg was not a lawyer but those 3 other schools joined in, and all we heard in the public sphere were insults from the very people that got invited to the ACC later.
 
upstater said:
Pittsburgh president at the time, Nordenberg, headed the BE and had many choice things to say about the ACC and their lack of integrity. Nordenberg was not a lawyer but those 3 other schools joined in, and all we heard in the public sphere were insults from the very people that got invited to the ACC later.
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That’s why the whole “people were butt hurt from the lawsuit” argument doesn’t stand up to any reasonable amount of scrutiny.
 
upstater said:
The lawsuit was lead by Syracuse and in fact, the insults were openly lobbed at BC and the ACC primarily from the Pitt President. He got personal.
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Prove it. Syracuse was not a party to the lawsuit.
 
SU1968 said:
Prove it. Syracuse was not a party to the lawsuit.
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I got the school wrong. It was these 5: Pitt, Rutgers, Virginia Tech, Connecticut and West Virginia

I believe I thought it was Syracuse because on your own board one of the Board of Trustees went off on the BC President at an academic event in front of administrators from many universities.
 
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SU1968 said:
I think the 6 win bowl eligibility requirement will go away with the demise/restructuring of the NCAA. Bowls have contracts with conferences and the polls will determine the playoff teams. Teams will go to good bowls with 7-8 wins.
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If the NCAA losses the football playoffs that‘s a huge blow to
all but the elite football schools including UConn.
I think they smelled a huge potential payday and decided to keep all the money for themselves.
 
gampelcrazies said:
Interesting thread on the St Johns message board

Big East going to Big Ten?

Big East going to Big Ten?
johnnyjungle.com
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It's pretty galaxy brain thinking, but I'll play ball with it. I can only think of three reasons this would make any sense:
  1. Ability to get access to more NCAA tourney credits
  2. Access to the MSG contract the week of conference tourneys (as opposed to the stunt the Big 10 did a couple years ago playing their tourney a week early then teams waiting a week till Selection Sunday)
  3. With the SEC monopolizing football, the Big 10 monopolizes basketball with some of the biggest brands Michigan State, UConn, Nova, and maybe that's where Kansas comes into play for only bball and not a full member of the Big 10.
FOX owns TV rights to both conferences so it in theory could happen if pushed by them and unlike why the Big East fell originally, the Big East teams would get a fractional share of TV $$ since most schools don't play football.

FOX could market that pretty easily and make all parties more money than before to make it worth the while.

No idea how this would work from a scheduling perspective but it's a cool idea.
 
WestHartHusk said:
They have to take our football team.
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I agree. Such a move HAS to be for ALL sports. UConn can't allow it's football team to dangle in independent limbo if the Big East & B1G affiliate. And the hockey teams would have to move over as well. Otherwise it makes little sense to entertain the idea.
 
Storrs South said:
It's pretty galaxy brain thinking, but I'll play ball with it. I can only think of three reasons this would make any sense:
  1. Ability to get access to more NCAA tourney credits
  2. Access to the MSG contract the week of conference tourneys (as opposed to the stunt the Big 10 did a couple years ago playing their tourney a week early then teams waiting a week till Selection Sunday)
  3. With the SEC monopolizing football, the Big 10 monopolizes basketball with some of the biggest brands Michigan State, UConn, Nova, and maybe that's where Kansas comes into play for only bball and not a full member of the Big 10.
FOX owns TV rights to both conferences so it in theory could happen if pushed by them and unlike why the Big East fell originally, the Big East teams would get a fractional share of TV $$ since most schools don't play football.

FOX could market that pretty easily and make all parties more money than before to make it worth the while.

No idea how this would work from a scheduling perspective but it's a cool idea.
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, it's an interesting idea, but wouldn't the schools with a high football profile making conference decisions for the basketball schools put us in the same boat which lead to the old BE break-up? Just a thought.
 
powerplay said:
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, it's an interesting idea, but wouldn't the schools with a high football profile making conference decisions for the basketball schools put us in the same boat which lead to the old BE break-up? Just a thought.
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I believe what broke up the original Big East was money and more specifically that everyone got even shares of the TV pot despite the Catholic 7 not playing football.

In my pie in the sky vision of why and how this would work, basketball members would not get a full share of TV revenue.

At the end of the day it can only work if all parties are making more money. That's pretty easy to satisfy on the Big East end, it's just a question of if it adds enough value to FOX who then give more money to the Big 10. The fractional TV revenue may be the key along with the incredible marketability of a Gavitt Games all season long + the potential draw in of luring Kansas to a quasi-Big 10 membership as basketball only could make it worthwhile for all parties.

I doubt it happens but fun to think about.
 
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