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Maybe you aren't informed, or are just spewing (and I get that)...but even with the anchor of Louisville...

GREENSBORO, N.C. (theACC.com) – For the 14th consecutive year, the Atlantic Coast Conference leads the way among Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) conferences in the “Best Colleges” rankings released by U.S. News & World Report.

  • The ACC has led the FBS conferences in best average rank in each of the last 14 years.
  • The ACC's five schools ranked in the top 30 are the most among FBS conferences.
  • The ACC’s two schools among the top 20 of this year’s rankings ties for the most among peer conferences.
  • The ACC is also the only FBS conference with eight member institutions among the top 50 – four more than any peer league.
ACC threw the academic thing out of the window when it invited Louisville community College vs. UConn.

At end of the day, ACC is not much different than the SEC in that its ruthless and it is all about the Benjamins. Let's not try to spin it any other way.
 
They aren't going to just throw that money out there for no reason. In the beginning, back in the 70's every school negotiated its own deals. Then that shifted to conferences, which lead to expansion and mergers (Big 8 and SWC). What streaming does, most likely, is bring us closer to the original model. But conferences matter because Alabama playing Western Kentucky isn't must see TV, while Georgia playing Florida is. I think this is behind the move from OU and UT, they need better quality opponents. A&M may have bitched about this, but just as BC stupidly didn't want UConn in its conference, A&M needs to play Texas and vice versa.

What won't matter is your TV market. Anybody talking about local TV markets is living in the past. In the future model, the B1G adding Rutgers was a mistake. UConn has better name recognition nationally, by far. I even think our dumb husky football helmets were an attempt to make us memorable, just as Boise's blue field is, and Orgeon's crazy uniforms are. It just wasn't executed very well, and Diaco was the coach.

There really wasnt a time when teams negotiated their own deals, and even then wasn’t until the 1980s that teams or conferences could make their own deals. Prior to the Supreme Court getting involved in 1984, the NCAA had full control over TV contracts and had installed a plan wherein there would be only one televised game a week, and no one could appear more than once.

If anyone is wondering why the NCAA seems so toothless to do anything now, you have to look only at two events: NCAA vs OU Board of Regents in 1984, and the SMU death penalty in 1987 that was so damaging they’re hesitant to issue one again.
 
Penn State dwarfs both schools combined not only in research, but Carnegie rankings of departments. PSU does over a billion in research expenditures YEARLY.
I believe somewhere between 12 to 13 percent of Penn State's research expenditures are non-peer reviewed ag dollars. If true, it would probably be fair to back that out when comparing them to non-ag schools.

Regardless, I understand that peer reviewed research expenditures (especially NIH and NSF) are of critical concern for schools that wish to remain in or join the AAU. But I will never understand why average people care, especially considering most students end their academic careers at the bachelorette level.

My wife worked at Penn State, and my family lived in State College for five truly wonderful years. But there are several schools in Pennsylvania alone that I'd recommend to my kids before Penn State University Park.
 
ACC threw the academic thing out of the window when it invited Louisville community College vs. UConn.

At end of the day, ACC is not much different than the SEC in that its ruthless and it is all about the Benjamins. Let's not try to spin it any other way.

Ruthless in sports conference survival ...yes. Superb in academics...yes. Both are true.
 
I believe somewhere between 12 to 13 percent of Penn State's research expenditures are non-peer reviewed ag dollars. If true, it would probably be fair to back that out when comparing them to non-ag schools.

Regardless, I understand that peer reviewed research expenditures (especially NIH and NSF) are of critical concern for schools that wish to remain in or join the AAU. But I will never understand why average people care, especially considering most students end their academic careers at the bachelorette level.

My wife worked at Penn State, and my family lived in State College for five truly wonderful years. But there are several schools in Pennsylvania alone that I'd recommend to my kids before Penn State University Park.
If your professors are engaged in research, your kids are learning from people on the cutting edge of their discipline. Whereas someone with a 4/4 load is teaching them what he/she learned for their doctorate.
 
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I believe somewhere between 12 to 13 percent of Penn State's research expenditures are non-peer reviewed ag dollars. If true, it would probably be fair to back that out when comparing them to non-ag schools.

Regardless, I understand that peer reviewed research expenditures (especially NIH and NSF) are of critical concern for schools that wish to remain in or join the AAU. But I will never understand why average people care, especially considering most students end their academic careers at the bachelorette level.

My wife worked at Penn State, and my family lived in State College for five truly wonderful years. But there are several schools in Pennsylvania alone that I'd recommend to my kids before Penn State University Park.
UPenn
Carnegie Mellon
Swarthmore
PSU
 
If your professors are engaged in research, your kids are learning from people on the cutting edge of their discipline. Whereas someone with a 4/4 load is teaching them what he/she learned for their doctorate.
Yeah. That's the primary benefit cited, and I don't completely dismiss the proposition. But my admittedly anecdotal observations of four research universities (Florida State, Penn State, Virginia Tech and UConn) is that this benefit is exaggerated.

Scholarship in many fields principally consists of theoretical debates among academics, most of which don't become remotely relevant and are not introduced until graduate school. Some - often many in certain bench science and medical fields - of those leading actual cutting edge research don't teach undergraduates. Still others understandably don't teach while conducting and publishing their research. And lastly, the rationale neglects that academics (wherever they are) are generally meticulous about staying abreast of new research in their fields.
 
Yeah. That's the primary benefit cited, and I don't completely dismiss the proposition. But my admittedly anecdotal observations of four research universities (Florida State, Penn State, Virginia Tech and UConn) is that this benefit is exaggerated.

Scholarship in many fields principally consists of theoretical debates among academics, most of which don't become remotely relevant and are not introduced until graduate school. Some - often many in certain bench science and medical fields - of those leading actual cutting edge research don't teach undergraduates. Still others understandably don't teach while conducting and publishing their research. And lastly, the rationale neglects that academics (wherever they are) are generally meticulous about staying abreast of new research in their fields.
We simply have a different view of what goes on inside. At my AAU school, you can't have non-tenured faculty teach the core classes, and almost everyone in the big research departments engages in research. I know that teaching is limited for the researchers, rightly so. But this is why you have overflow classes at many of these universities.

I'm sure some professors at schools where there's 50 hours devoted to teaching weekly do keep up, but I know a lot of people who simply are stretched too far and thin to do that. A 4/4? You have to be superhuman and without a family.
 
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To be fair that airport terminal is terrible so any improvement would be better than what it is now

Before the modern security screening process it was one of the best airports in the country. They built it to be TWA’s hub. But once the security process ramped up it became a disaster.
 
The ACC needs to find a way to open up their TV contract, otherwise they will be in the same position as the Big 12 when their GOR gets closer to expiring.

Thankfully, odds are I won't be alive in 15 years...and in 12 years will be too old to care...
 

recap gets GIF

“Hooowee, we got us a new airport terminal!”
 
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There really wasnt a time when teams negotiated their own deals, and even then wasn’t until the 1980s that teams or conferences could make their own deals. Prior to the Supreme Court getting involved in 1984, the NCAA had full control over TV contracts and had installed a plan wherein there would be only one televised game a week, and no one could appear more than once.

If anyone is wondering why the NCAA seems so toothless to do anything now, you have to look only at two events: NCAA vs OU Board of Regents in 1984, and the SMU death penalty in 1987 that was so damaging they’re hesitant to issue one again.

Actually, Penn (not Penn State) and Notre Dame had their own individual national TV deals in 1951. The NCAA feared that they both would become too strong if they had control over their TV deals and were on national TV most weeks every year.

So, the NCAA basically extorted ND and Penn into signing away their TV rights. Then, the NCAA got everyone else to do so, until 1984.

"In 1951, five Notre Dame games were televised on the old Dumont Network. The package earned the school $55,000. Some athletic officials thought television would kill the live gate. Others wanted a piece of the tasty new pie. The NCAA soon moved into the picture, in part because many members were convinced that Notre Dame would monopolize the airwaves unless the NCAA negotiated a package for all its schools. Notre Dame decided not to fight it, and in 1952 began appearing on national telecasts in the NCAA package on a regular basis.

"There's no question that the NCAA TV committee was formed in 1952 to stop Notre Dame," said Beano Cook, an ESPN college football analyst who's followed the sport most of his life. "Two schools were opposed to the TV contract -- Notre Dame and Penn, which had a big-time program."


 
Before the modern security screening process it was one of the best airports in the country. They built it to be TWA’s hub. But once the security process ramped up it became a disaster.
that makes sense, you can definitely tell that it wasn’t designed for all the new security crap
 

Keeler: Texas, Oklahoma killed college football as we know it. Now CU Buffs might be wise to follow Nebraska’s lead and call Big Ten.



I would say the national pols and the Supreme Court decision killed football as we know it. We are moving toward pay for play and Texas and Oklahoma know that the SEC has a huge advantage in recruiting over all other conferences. Pretty soon the SEC will look at others the way the NFL looked at the USFL. Now, things may change. If USC, UCLA and maybe Notre Dame join the B1G, I'd revise what I just said. But then the SEC could just reup with Clemson and Florida St.

And the B12 might hold off on adding until it gets a sense of what happens to Va Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State, Ga Tech, Miami, Pitt and Louisville.

BC, Syracuse and UConn can create their own football conference by adding Villanova, Temple, Army, Navy and maybe Delaware, Buffalo and Umass.
 
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In the future model, the B1G adding Rutgers was a mistake
I don’t think so. Oh before the transition to a streaming model is fully realized the Big Ten will have realized probably 20 to 30 years worth of a revenue stream based upon being in the first tier in the NYC DMA. That’s a ton of money and certainly justifies bringing Rutgers into the fold. If at some future time Connecticut makes sense, we can always be added then.

(FWIW, I don’t see that happening.)
 
BC, Syracuse and UConn can create their own football conference by adding Villanova, Temple, Army, Navy and maybe Delaware, Buffalo and Umass.

No thanks - would way rather be Independent than this ^
I guess I’m in the minority but I would like this. Kind of like going back to the big East. Play schools that are regional opponents that we care to beat. Also there’s a realistic path to being one of the best teams in the conference. If a power conference is out this to me would definitely be a good option.
 
BC, Syracuse and UConn can create their own football conference by adding Villanova, Temple, Army, Navy and maybe Delaware, Buffalo and Umass.

No thanks - would way rather be Independent than this ^
These are the teams we are going to play regardless. The Super Conferences are not going to have ANY non-conference games.
 
These are the teams we are going to play regardless. The Super Conferences are not going to have ANY non-conference games.
Disagree - they'll have some because they will all want to pad their schedule for "easy" W's. And, we could do some horse trading: men's and women's bball games for football games.

And, if we're going to play teams on a par with the ones you listed, I'm sure we'd much rather have at least some of them be in FL, TX, and other better recruiting areas.
 
Disagree - they'll have some because they will all want to pad their schedule for "easy" W's. And, we could do some horse trading: men's and women's bball games for football games.

And, if we're going to play teams on a par with the ones you listed, I'm sure we'd much rather have at least some of them be in FL, TX, and other better recruiting areas.
So your position is you would rather be someone’s easy W to pad their stats than to play and try to win against teams the fan base cares about beating?
 
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