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CL82 said:
Ah got it. I think it's been building. Ray has been talking a lot about this. His latest quote comes off as petulant and privileged so it just taps into that.
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Poor baby. He got called as a witness by his pal Ollie. UConn’s lawyers did what they were supposed to do and asked him tough questions and demanded documents to back up his claims. Apparently he was expecting them to Kiss his feet and beg for an autograph and was shocked when they did their job. That is how he comes off to many in this.
 
Madmannsucks said:
The NCAA decision is pending. Obviously UConn's is not, since they hired a new coach. The NCAA has made their decision, but KO has the right to appeal and he is doing so.
Do I believe that is how it went down. Yes I do. The NCAA took Miller's word over KO. I am not privy to the testimony, but that is how it played out. It just does not feel that far fetched to me.
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Given that part of KO’s sanction was for lying to the NCAA and UConn I kinda think they made the right call, no?
 
Fishy said:
Recruits don’t care.

Ray Allen played at UConn six years before these kids were born. If they’ve ever seen him play basketball, it was as a role player on the Heat.

We’re not recruiting off Ray Allen any more.
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Thank you for saying this. Most recruits know Ray Allen as the whack old guy who played with Lebron if they know him at all. Regardless of his stature with UConn fans.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
So according to this thread, the NCAA is infallible and just, and multiple ex-UConn players are lying scumbags. Got it.
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You don't think Ollie is a liar? Have you followed even a little UConn basketball in the past few years.
 
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Mots010 said:
I must have missed the section where Stallings was under investigation for major NCAA violations, including lying to investigators, and ultimately ended up with a 3 year show cause.
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Nova fan shows up to tell us what's going on when he has no clue what's going on...
 
superjohn said:
You don't think Ollie is a liar? Have you followed even a little UConn basketball in the past few years.
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Ollie absolutely looks bad.
The Pres and AD look bad.
Ray looks bad.
UConn looks bad overall in PR, and probably created a harsher ruling by working against KO for building its cause case.
 
Mots010 said:
I must have missed the section where Stallings was under investigation for major NCAA violations, including lying to investigators, and ultimately ended up with a 3 year show cause.
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Pitt and UConn had similar strategies. Throw the coach under the bus. Inflate wrong doings. Claim Cause. Reduce the contracted severance amount.

KO was wrong, but let's not lose sight of what the "Major NCAA Violations" were:

According to the NCAA release, the violations primarily stemmed from three situations: pickup games exceeding preseason countable athletically related activity limits, a video coordinator counting as a coach, and a booster providing extra benefits to student-athletes. Ollie was charged with failure to monitor staff, failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance and unethical conduct, or providing false or misleading information to the NCAA.

Ollie refused to be interviewed a second time by the investigators, which factored in, perhaps worsening his penalties.

“We determined the coach was not forthcoming,” said Joel Maturi, chief hearing officer for the panel and former Minnesota athletic director, in a conference call following the release of the findings. “[There was] the emphasis we’ve been asked to put on head coaches’ responsibility, importance of being open, honest, candid, cooperative. If we’re going to have the collegiate model we all want, those are important factors.”

Maturi said the program’s past infractions, which resulted in lost scholarships and a three-game suspension for then-coach Jim Calhoun, “was a factor” in determining the penalties this time.
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The NCAA began its investigation into UConn’s recruiting practices in the fall of 2017, and it became known to the public in January of 2018. Two months later, UConn began the process of terminating Ollie for “just cause,” citing NCAA infractions.

As Ollie’s dispute with UConn over just cause and the remaining $10 million on his contract has dragged on 15 months, the NCAA investigation continued. In September, the NCAA released a notice of allegations, citing the UConn program with several lower-level infractions, including impermissible workouts with an outside trainer, and improper communications between former Huskies stars, Ray Allen and Rudy Gay, and a potential recruit. Ollie was charged with a level one infraction for providing false and misleading information at that time.
 
"No matter what really happened, we can always throw the book at him for obstruction in the investigation"
 
bballgrda said:
Yep, you have 150 posts on the NBA, most of which are awful takes. I read threads that interest me. I don't claim to be an expert on much of anything, but follow the NBA to some degree. I remember because I was the one who called you out on it. You didn't back off either.





IIRC he got a 3.5m one year deal.
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ohhhh, snap.
 
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Northbound said:
Well yeah of course, every program in America should use Pitt’s basketball program as a model on how to run theirs.
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Trumping up Cause to reduce owed compensation is dirty. I agree with your sarcasm. UConn should have not followed Pitt's example.

UConn took it to another level though. Scorched Earth. No reasonable settlement. It leaves KO no option but to fight to the end.
 
Zissou said:
Why was KO fired? Did the W-L record have anything to do with it? If so, pay the man.

If you don't think W-L was a factor, you've been duped.
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i think that is too simplistic. Why was the W_L record so bad and going downhill [recruiting]. There are certainly many rumors around and my guess is that UCONN probably knows. If it was just difficulty in recruiting following a national championship that is one thing in which case I agree with you. If it was laziness, women, drugs [all rumored] then I’d would be “for cause”, in which case you don't pay him.
 
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Padutch5 said:
i think that is too simplistic. Why was the W_L record so bad and going downhill [recruiting]. There are certainly many rumors around and my guess is that UCONN probably knows. If it was just difficulty in recruiting following a national championship that is one thing in which case I agree with you. If it was laziness, women, drugs [all rumored] then I’d would be “for cause”, in which case you don't pay him.
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I don't think any of those things were part of the Cause allegation, but maybe there is some reporting on that which I have not seen.
 
Padutch5 said:
i think that is too simplistic. Why was the W_L record so bad and going downhill [recruiting]. There are certainly many rumors around and my guess is that UCONN probably knows. If it was just difficulty in recruiting following a national championship that is one thing in which case I agree with you. If it was laziness, women, drugs [all rumored] then I’d would be “for cause”, in which case you don't pay him.
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I think Stephanie was the only woman who played a role.
 
BlueDogs said:
I think all would agree to pay the man a reasonable sum. $10 Million is not that. Maybe $2MM. Frankly, he deserves exactly what he is owed under his contract - nothing, except it’s worth limiting the costs of time, bad press and distractions to move on. Whatever the case, KO has shown his true character and destroyed himself.
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If what you're selling is "limiting the costs of time, bad press, and distractions", then it's bad strategy to wait until 90% of the costs of time, bad press, and distractions have already been borne before making a settlement offer. As a matter of fact, 90% of those costs have now been incurred, and that history can't be reversed. The remainder of the case is a minor sideshow that won't impact Hurley or the university much, and will be almost entirely absent from the newspapers and ESPN. Even 90% of the legal costs have already been borne. The university has no motive to settle for more than a pittance.
 
pj said:
If what you're selling is "limiting the costs of time, bad press, and distractions", then it's bad strategy to wait until 90% of the costs of time, bad press, and distractions have already been borne before making a settlement offer. As a matter of fact, 90% of those costs have now been incurred, and that history can't be reversed. The remainder of the case is a minor sideshow that won't impact Hurley or the university much, and will be almost entirely absent from the newspapers and ESPN. Even 90% of the legal costs have already been borne. The university has no motive to settle for more than a pittance.
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Sad to say but UConn's AD has a long history of impactful legal maneuvers that don't always play out right away. We're arguably stuck in this G5/mid-Major outhouse because we decided to sue the ACC years ago, even when it might've been prudent to not do so.
Now we're pushing the "to hell with it, keep the legal battle going, no settlement" narrative with one of our core program foundation guys, and the stench is starting to affect key alums like Ray-Ray & Rudy.
But wth, as long as we're "right", I guess it'll be worth it. :rolleyes:Head bang
 
Most recruits have no clue that Ray Allen played at UConn. Heck most have as much knowledge of him as they do about Bob Cousy. Again Ollie called him as a witness. So should the UConn lawyers have just left him alone and not asked questions? Do you have a limit as to how much you would pay so Allen and Gay won’t be upset? All 10 million? 5? Ray was part of the problem here. You know. He and his buddy got caught so it is UConn’s fault
 
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Dean Wormer said:
Sad to say but UConn's AD has a long history of impactful legal maneuvers that don't always play out right away. We're arguably stuck in this G5/mid-Major outhouse because we decided to sue the ACC years ago, even when it might've been prudent to not do so.
Now we're pushing the "to hell with it, keep the legal battle going, no settlement" narrative with one of our core program foundation guys, and the stench is starting to affect key alums like Ray-Ray & Rudy.
But wth, as long as we're "right", I guess it'll be worth it. :rolleyes:Head bang
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Just to be clear “UConn’s AD not Benedict. In fact , many believe that suit was the baby of the then Ct. attorney general, Blumenthal.
 
Ray has become delusional in his old age. He now thinks millionaires are victims.
 
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