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Can we split the difference?

Curry is already approaching all-time greatness, and has a Koufax-like run going on. The longer he extends it, the more impressive this is.

You could basically make the same arguments about Koufax as GOAT, which will be similarly disputed. It's good argument fodder, but it's not worth much.
 
pepband99 said:
Can we split the difference?

Curry is already approaching all-time greatness, and has a Koufax-like run going on. The longer he extends it, the more impressive this is.

You could basically make the same arguments about Koufax as GOAT, which will be similarly disputed. It's good argument fodder, but it's not worth much.
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Nope, according to the analysis of some, Koufax and Pedro are the best pitchers of all time, and Bo Jackson is the best running back to ever live.

It's nice to twist arguments, too. Apparently, pointing out that longevity matters is the same as saying the only thing that matters is cumulative stats.
 
pepband99 said:
Can we split the difference?

Curry is already approaching all-time greatness, and has a Koufax-like run going on. The longer he extends it, the more impressive this is.

You could basically make the same arguments about Koufax as GOAT, which will be similarly disputed. It's good argument fodder, but it's not worth much.
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No, because Curry is (rightfully) going to be considered the best ever when his career ends, unless he somehow only plays like two more seasons.

Ray's legacy will always been as one of the best all-time shooters, and he hit arguably the best shot in the history of the sport. It's not a knock on him to admit that Curry is a flat out better shooter.
 
Steph is on pace to make over 450 3s this year. He clearly won't keep that pace up but he's going to break the single season 3 pointers made record for the 3rd year in a row.

GOAT
 
UConn990411 said:
No, because Curry is (rightfully) going to be considered the best ever when his career ends, unless he somehow only plays like two more seasons.
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Oh, you mean like Koufax? Sigh.
 
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IF Steph Curry stays healthy & has a long career in the NBA, it is possible that he will break Ray's 3 point shooting record. If that happens, I hope that Ray will be there when it happens just like Reggie was there when Ray broke HIS record!
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
No way they would be as dominant as they were. Do you know the players they played against? 6'5-6'8 centers who aren't nearly as athletic as they are today. Wilt and Bill would obviously still be great but no way would they consistently averaged 20 rebounds per game. Wilt also average consistently 35 ppg and averaged 50 and 26 the one year. That would absolutely never happen today I'm sorry
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Just want you to name all the bigs who would stop him? I mean there's a couple but there was also a couple a lot better than you are giving credit to in his era who were not 6'5-6'8. You're underestimating the talent he was no doubt and overestimating what the NBA throws out there in the middle these days.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/438984-wilt-chamberlain-did-he-really-play-in-weak-era

Average height of NBA centers during Wilt's career 6'10". The guy was 7'1" and had a 50plus vertical and could throw weights around with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Really, he couldn't get 30 and 20 at least? He'd still throw a 60 and 30 out there.
 
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Facts:

Ray Allen has the most career 3's ever. Ever.
Steph Curry made more 3's in a season than anyone. Twice.
Of Curry's 5 full NBA seasons, 3 of them are in the top 5 made 3's in a season. Ray has 1 in the top 10.

Average stats (per 100 possessions):
Allen - 3.4 / 8.5, 40%
Curry - 4.1 / 9.3, 44.2%

Curry is on pace to break Ray's record in about 6 seasons. He's not going to need longevity at this rate. Ray started declining in made 3's after his 13th season (which by age would be Curry's 12th). Since this is Curry's 7th season in the league, he will most likely break Ray's record before declining.
 
auror said:
Facts:

Ray Allen has the most career 3's ever. Ever.
Steph Curry made more 3's in a season than anyone. Twice.
Of Curry's 5 full NBA seasons, 3 of them are in the top 5 made 3's in a season. Ray has 1 in the top 10.

Average stats (per 100 possessions):
Allen - 3.4 / 8.5, 40%
Curry - 4.1 / 9.3, 44.2%

Curry is on pace to break Ray's record in about 6 seasons. He's not going to need longevity at this rate. Ray started declining in made 3's after his 13th season (which by age would be Curry's 12th). Since this is Curry's 7th season in the league, he will most likely break Ray's record before declining.
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I believe you're right and that Curry will shatter the record and ultimately will be the greatest shooter ever regardless of whether he breaks the record or not. The stats on 3s made and taken in a season are more of a reflection of the changing nature of the NBA game. The emphasis on the 3 has increased significantly in the last 5 years.
 
To be fair, Curry has played a large role in that changing nature.
 
Speaking of annoying, how about supposed UConn fans that think they always have to set other UConn fans straight about how mediocre our players, coaches and program are.

Longevity matters. If someone shot threes at 80% for one season and then had a major injury, would he be the greatest ever? If I played one game in the NBA, took one shot and it was the toughest three point shot ever to win the game and it was a deciding NBA finals game 7, would I be the greatest ever. Time and volume matter too.
 
Paesano said:
Speaking of annoying, how about supposed UConn fans that think they always have to set other UConn fans straight about how mediocre our players, coaches and program are.

Longevity matters. If someone shot threes at 80% for one season and then had a major injury, would he be the greatest ever? If I played one game in the NBA, took one shot and it was the toughest three point shot ever to win the game and it was a deciding NBA finals game 7, would I be the greatest ever. Time and volume matter too.
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None of your scenarios are at play here so I don't really understand the relevance here. I don't get bending over backwards to to try to deny what those who watch the NBA on a regular basis already know.
 
aceboon said:
None of your scenarios are at play here so I don't really understand the relevance here. I don't get bending over backwards to to try to deny what those who watch the NBA on a regular basis already know.
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You mean, what they THINK they know.

How about this. Why not let "uconn fanboys" believe Ray is the greatest if they want? First, this is a UConn board so why is it such a shock that it is full of FANatical UConn fanboys? Second, why should the NBA TV watchers care?
 
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Records and longevity shouldn't apply in this conversation because the argument isn't who did it longest but who did it better. If you've seen Steph Curry in the last 2 seasons it's not even close. The guy is a Wizard, pretty sure Davidson was a front for Hogwarts.
 
Paesano said:
You mean, what they THINK they know.

How about this. Why not let "uconn fanboys" believe Ray is the greatest if they want? First, this is a UConn board so why is it such a shock that it is full of FANatical UConn fanboys? Second, why should the NBA TV watchers care?
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You can believe what you want it's a great country that allows such but you're just terribly wrong.
 
Ray is a lock for the HOF whats wrong with that, Curry is already a lock as well.
 
Paesano said:
You mean, what they THINK they know.

How about this. Why not let "uconn fanboys" believe Ray is the greatest if they want? First, this is a UConn board so why is it such a shock that it is full of FANatical UConn fanboys? Second, why should the NBA TV watchers care?
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My fault, I figured most of us were adults on here, didn't realize you weren't a man of a certain age. Your arguments sound like when me and my friends used to argue about pro wrestlers when we were kids, I'll leave you and your half-baked hypotheticals alone.
 
Paesano said:
Speaking of annoying, how about supposed UConn fans that think they always have to set other UConn fans straight about how mediocre our players, coaches and program are.

Longevity matters. If someone shot threes at 80% for one season and then had a major injury, would he be the greatest ever? If I played one game in the NBA, took one shot and it was the toughest three point shot ever to win the game and it was a deciding NBA finals game 7, would I be the greatest ever. Time and volume matter too.
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Right, because clearly the moral of the thread is that Ray is mediocre.
 
Curry is a better shooter than Ray. I'll buy that all day. No problem. Curry will have a career as long as ray...that is a stretch for me. Ray isn't just some run of the mill nba player who keeps in shape. As far as physical fitness finatics he's #1. And he's probably top 5 in the history of sports. He actually has a diagnosable psychological obsessive disorder. One of the ways his disorder manifests is his obcession with order, cleanliness, routines, patterns, etc... staying physically fit seems to be part of his "problem". So i doubt Curry will have the same drive to stay fit and prepared to be an nba player. I don't know Curry's back story that well, but i suspect he'll slow down when he gets to his mid 30s. Ray doesnt seem to be able to.
 
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Paesano said:
You mean, what they THINK they know.

How about this. Why not let "uconn fanboys" believe Ray is the greatest if they want? First, this is a UConn board so why is it such a shock that it is full of FANatical UConn fanboys? Second, why should the NBA TV watchers care?
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Maybe you and other UConn fanboys shouldn't act like it's an insult to say Curry's the better shooter.

Ray is - and always will be - one of the greatest shooters ever and clutchest players in the history of the sport. Acknowledging Curry's greatness doesn't change that.
 
mauconnfan said:
Just want you to name all the bigs who would stop him? I mean there's a couple but there was also a couple a lot better than you are giving credit to in his era who were not 6'5-6'8. You're underestimating the talent he was no doubt and overestimating what the NBA throws out there in the middle these days.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/438984-wilt-chamberlain-did-he-really-play-in-weak-era

Average height of NBA centers during Wilt's career 6'10". The guy was 7'1" and had a 50plus vertical and could throw weights around with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Really, he couldn't get 30 and 20 at least? He'd still throw a 60 and 30 out there.
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Wilt was awesome. Dude would still score as much as he did (well...not the 50ppg over a season, but high 20s to low 30s).

The rebounds are tougher. There were about 10-15 more field goal attempts per team (so 20-30 more potential rebounds) in the 60s and early 70s. That matters.
 
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