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Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

Big 12 Yea/ Nay

  • We got no choice

    Votes: 305 46.9%

  • Stay in the Big East

    Votes: 251 38.6%

  • Are we there yet?

    Votes: 94 14.5%
  • Total voters
    650
That Guy said:
The B12 money will dry up because it just simply won't be a good enough football conference long term. Once Texas and Oklahoma leave, who is left that anyone gives a crap about in football? B12 would have to add Oregon, Utah, and Colorado (w/Deion) to draw any sort of interest to the conference.
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They just signed a new contract. Are you talking 20 years from now?
 
gsmooth said:
Me too. In a world with rainbows raining Lucky Charms cereal falling from the sky and cute dogs and unicorns running around I would like it if

1) UConn basketball remained in the Big East (I guess other sports as well except for football as BE doesn't have football)

AND

2) UConn football only went to the Big 12 or it remained independent with a growing following that could make lots of money with an independent TV contract even as a poor man's Notre Dame.

That's fantasy land stuff. I know the big contract from the Big 12 would ease up a lot financial pressure for UConn.

I guess the next best thing would be UConn going to the Big 12 and hoping the Big 12 brings Nova, GTown, and St. John's so that there is still some Big East flavor assuming there is any truth to that even being discussed by the Big 12. In addition to that Colorado being added would be nice only for the fact that Deion is a walking PR machine.


The reality is if the Big 12 offer is made, UConn has to take it without much thought as long as the Big 12 doesn't say, "you will receive 50% less revenue than the other schools for 10 years" or something onerous like that. Even then with getting less revenue from the Big 12 (50% example I stated) UConn would take it, but it would at least make them think more. UConn can't run the risk of waiting out for a better offer from the Big 10 or the ACC, can they?
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Rutgers had a buy in of 7 years, and that was less than 50% for many of those years.

The buy-in was gradual.
 
CL82 said:
I quoted your post and brought it down here just because I think it's easier to read that way. So, again the ACC offers football, but Notre Dame isn't a member for football, but they are a member for every other sport. That seems to contradict what you posted above.
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For the last time, a school cannot complete in a separate conference if their primary conference offers that sport. They can compete as an independent, as I have stated.

I'm not 100% sure, but I also believe the exception to compete as an independent exists only in football.
 
Friarsnoop said:
For the last time, a school cannot complete in a separate conference if their primary conference offers that sport. They can compete as an independent, as I have stated.

I'm not 100% sure, but I also believe the exception to compete as an independent exists only in football.
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OK, that's a little different than the way you first explained it. Do you have a link by any chance?
 
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Friarsnoop said:
One concern with going to the Big 12 is that it is believe ESPN overpaid them as part of a behind the scenes deal to facilitate Oklahoma and Texas moving to the SEC a year early (and the Big 12 claim that ESPN was in on that move). The next contract in 6 years may not be as generous.
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You can say that Fox overpaid for the Big East and the next deal won't be as generous just as easily. They did so to pry BB away from the FB monstrosity they didn't want to pay for.
 
If the conferences eligible to play in the BCS playoff are reduced to 4 (or even 3), you can bet this will be a whole new ballgame for the TV channels and networks. They won't be able to pit the conferences against one another. If the SEC or B1G end up in the same place, for instance, you can easily imagine how desperate ESPN would become.

It's a different ballgame for the networks now as the colleges are effectively consolidating.
 
upstater said:
It's a different ballgame for the networks now as the colleges are effectively consolidating.
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The best guide for understanding conference realignment has always been how are the people who are putting up the money for the moves going to profit by it. In this case, it looks like the end game is to eliminate the big east and the ACC so that networks don't have to pay for the deadwood in that conference.

Just a thought.
 
CL82 said:
The best guide for understanding conference realignment has always been how are the people who are putting up the money for the moves going to profit by it. In this case, it looks like the end game is to eliminate the big east and the ACC so that networks don't have to pay for the deadwood in that conference.

Just a thought.
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But as you reduce the # of conferences, you give all the leverage to the remaining conferences. You can't squeeze one conference with the threat of featuring another.
 
CL82 said:
OK, that's a little different than the way you first explained it. Do you have a link by any chance?
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How is it different? I said they can compete in the same conference, or as an independent.
 
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upstater said:
Rutgers had a buy in of 7 years, and that was less than 50% for many of those years.

The buy-in was gradual.
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yeah I remember that. Even with those terms UConn would and should accept the B12 invite even if UConn thinks that the ACC or B10 would come calling. My point was that with the smaller revenue in the first few years that would be the only reason I could think of why UConn would be hesitant and that if they think the B12 could get ripped apart soon which is not likely.
 
noeynox said:
You can say that Fox overpaid for the Big East and the next deal won't be as generous just as easily. They did so to pry BB away from the FB monstrosity they didn't want to pay for.
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You can say that, but Fox has been extremely happy with their deal. It was set up so the schools payout grew incrementally over the course of the contract, and they've been making a profit off of it for the last 5 years.
Also, the money is so much less for a basketball conference. Fox will pay roughly the same amount for the Big 10 championship football game this year as they will to all 11 Big East teams for the year.
 
Friarsnoop said:
Fox will pay roughly the same amount for the Big 10 championship football game this year as they will to all 11 Big East teams for the year.
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More validation that it makes sense to look into moving to the B-12.
 
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upstater said:
But as you reduce the # of conferences, you give all the leverage to the remaining conferences. You can't squeeze one conference with the threat of featuring another.
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True, but the loss of bargaining power is offset by not being forced to pay a premium for deadweight.
 
Friarsnoop said:
You can say that, but Fox has been extremely happy with their deal. It was set up so the schools payout grew incrementally over the course of the contract, and they've been making a profit off of it for the last 5 years.
Also, the money is so much less for a basketball conference. Fox will pay roughly the same amount for the Big 10 championship football game this year as they will to all 11 Big East teams for the year.
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If this is true someone explain how this works financially 1 game over 250 games? I don’t understand the audience and ad revenue economics of this.
 
“Other than the money” people are so goshdarn stupid with how determined they are to sink this athletic department. Potentially HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS difference over the next decade. There are so many freaking things you can to with that to ensure, not just survival, but success ACROSS THE BOARD. “Well money is an imaginary construct and we’ve won while poor we can do that forever while we reminisce over a fake imitation of a league that used to be as it stares in to the abyss” is not a real life strategy. Not to mention… we can still schedule BE teams! Crazy, right?! Smh
 
jibsey said:
If this is true someone explain how this works financially 1 game over 250 games? I don’t understand the audience and ad revenue economics of this.
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I will…

When you hear the term, “basketball is undervalued”. That is what that means. There is no way that 250 basketball games = one football game.

But, because basketball and other sports has been an after thought, there is a realm of thinking that basketball’s value and it’s inventory aren’t evaluated properly. It isn’t about the ratings on a per game basis. It is the aggregate revenue, rating etc.

Basketball, as far as conferences go, is massively undervalued.

TV executives will argue that basketball is baked into the price they pay now, but I do not believe that is the case based on the big east deal.
 
CTMike said:
“Other than the money” people are so goshdarn stupid with how determined they are to sink this athletic department. Potentially HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS difference over the next decade. There are so many freaking things you can to with that to ensure, not just survival, but success ACROSS THE BOARD. “Well money is an imaginary construct and we’ve won while poor we can do that forever while we reminisce over a fake imitation of a league that used to be as it stares in to the abyss” is not a real life strategy. Not to mention… we can still schedule BE teams! Crazy, right?! Smh
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Nah. Its just misguided. We shouldn't go back to AAC 2.0 because a bunch of people (not you, obviously) want to drink in an East Hartford parking lot and never actually enter a game. And NOW you think that is going to change? In CONNECTICUT? Because we can put UCF , Houston and Cincinnati on our schedule again?
 
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Friarsnoop said:
You can say that, but Fox has been extremely happy with their deal. It was set up so the schools payout grew incrementally over the course of the contract, and they've been making a profit off of it for the last 5 years.
Also, the money is so much less for a basketball conference. Fox will pay roughly the same amount for the Big 10 championship football game this year as they will to all 11 Big East teams for the year.
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But they have also tied up a lot of TV time slots with the B1G and Big12 which wasn't the case when the Big East got their deal with Fox. There are a lot of shifting pieces, so we can speculate till the cows come home.
 
For the people who are so definitive on “going to the big 12 is a slam dunk and only idiots think otherwise” - why are the majority of media/reporter headlines/articles/podcasts saying or leaning towards “uconn should stay in the big east”. Most of the things I see are either stay in the big east or it’s a tough choice, but 50% of this board thinks that’s moronic. It’s the brash confidence of the pro big 12 contingent here that is the most confusing part
 
August_West said:
Nah. Its just misguided. We shouldn't go back to AAC 2.0 because a bunch of people (not you, obviously) want to drink in an East Hartford parking lot and never actually enter a game. And NOW you think that is going to change? In CONNECTICUT? Because we can put UCF , Houston and Cincinnati on our schedule again?
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I mean, I don’t like this move, but understand the practicality of it. I was a student during the height of the football team’s success and the Rent was packed and loud when I was there. The game against Baylor with RG3 was nuts.
 
August_West said:
Nah. Its just misguided. We shouldn't go back to AAC 2.0 because a bunch of people (not you, obviously) want to drink in an East Hartford parking lot and never actually enter a game. And NOW you think that is going to change? In CONNECTICUT? Because we can put UCF , Houston and Cincinnati on our schedule again?
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In wrestling, this is called a full nelson.
 
Bazz4A said:
For the people who are so definitive on “going to the big 12 is a slam dunk and only idiots think otherwise” - why are the majority of media/reporter headlines/articles/podcasts saying or leaning towards “uconn should stay in the big east”. Most of the things I see are either stay in the big east or it’s a tough choice, but 50% of this board thinks that’s moronic. It’s the brash confidence of the pro big 12 contingent here that is the most confusing part
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Because the media doesn't have to fund UConn athletics?
 
CTMike said:
“Other than the money” people are so goshdarn stupid with how determined they are to sink this athletic department. Potentially HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS difference over the next decade. There are so many freaking things you can to with that to ensure, not just survival, but success ACROSS THE BOARD. “Well money is an imaginary construct and we’ve won while poor we can do that forever while we reminisce over a fake imitation of a league that used to be as it stares in to the abyss” is not a real life strategy. Not to mention… we can still schedule BE teams! Crazy, right?! Smh
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Are you guaranteeing that money? Like with an insurance policy? Otherwise, shhhh.
 
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