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Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

Big 12 Yea/ Nay

  • We got no choice

    Votes: 305 46.9%

  • Stay in the Big East

    Votes: 251 38.6%

  • Are we there yet?

    Votes: 94 14.5%
  • Total voters
    650
ToolzieFan said:
I guess I don’t see why the Big 12 will need to take anyone as a basketball-only school. UConn, Colorado, Arizona, and maybe another eastern school seems plenty. Us and probably Nova could cut it in a national conference. I don’t see Georgetown or St. John’s as fits. It’s too bad Nova doesn’t have D1 football.
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Yormark apparently wants football to have it's own TV contract, basketball and other sports would be a separate contract. Nova and St John's are in huge TV markets. It's just speculation, but St John's and Nova should be worth more than Gonzaga and they are considering Gonzaga.
 
metsfan2323 said:
True, but maybe that's why conferences are going national.
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ESPN has shown a willingness to keep paying for content, because it is trying to justify a separate sports subscription for ESPNPlus. We will see. In the old days, Fox and ESPN were both fighting for content because they wanted the carriage fees on cable. I do not understand Fox's online strategy, and I don't think they do either.

CBS Sports will be folded into ParamountPlus. I will give Paramount credit. They folded a bunch of marginal channels (CBSSports, Showtime, Nick, MTV) into a decent subscription service. I would not be surprised if they put up a fight in sports.

MAX is probably going to fold TNT into it within a few years. I do not see them being active in college, but they will continue with the NBA.

That leaves Netflix, Apple and Amazon, and possibly Google depending on what they do with YoutubeTV. Netflix seems content churning out mediocre content cheaply, and Netflix is making a mountain of money so they have no pressure to do anything. Apple and Amazon have bottomless pockets but streaming services that are both losing money and kind of marginal. Those two can rock the sports world with their next move.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Yormark apparently wants football to have it's own TV contract, basketball and other sports would be a separate contract. Nova and St John's are in huge TV markets. It's just speculation, but St John's and Nova should be worth more than Gonzaga and they are considering Gonzaga.
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I think this is where all the leagues will be eventually.

If Yormark really wanted to make a splash, he would take the whole Big East. He should go to a private equity firm. I bet he could find one of them to back a comprehensive play like that.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
If Yormark really wanted to make a splash, he would take the whole Big East.
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or he could just pick the Big East apart and take the best teams. Doubtful Kansas wants to be in a league with Butler and Depaul, i'm not even sure Providence would make the cut, Xavier would be out because of Cincy.

UCONN football and basketball

Just basketball:

St Johns
Nova
Gtown
Marquette

and maybe
Creighton
Providence
 
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metsfan2323 said:
or he could just pick the Big East apart and take the best teams. Doubtful Kansas wants to be in a league with Butler and Depaul, i'm not even sure Providence would make the cut, Xavier would be out because of Cincy.
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If you need subscribers, picking and choosing is a bad strategy. Yormark needs markets, not a team here and a team there.
 
I just don't see this idea of negotiating bball and football separately being successful. If you're a network, why would you commit big dollars to football if those same schools can end up in the winter and spring on other networks?

With ESPN+, Paramount+ and to some extent Peacock, becoming players in the scene and needing subscribers, I just can't see them bidding for rights unless every little bit of content is included in any deal.
 
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WestHartHusk said:
Not this fan. They get their time in purgstory, especially the duplicitous Panthers. I honestly, truly, hope they whither and that UConn doesn’t lift a finger to help.
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I feel that way about BC, and somewhat about Syracuse, but I'm fine with Pitt.
 
metsfan2323 said:
UCONN football and basketball
Just basketball:
St Johns
Nova
Gtown
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I'm not a fan of hybrid conferences, but I'd be good with this.
 
metsfan2323 said:
or he could just pick the Big East apart and take the best teams. Doubtful Kansas wants to be in a league with Butler and Depaul, i'm not even sure Providence would make the cut, Xavier would be out because of Cincy.

UCONN football and basketball

Just basketball:

St Johns
Nova
Gtown
Marquette

and maybe
Creighton
Providence
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Wouldn’t that involve the Big East keeping those schools in all sports except basketball? I don’t know why they would do that. Of course, without those schools, there is no Big East basketball, therefore no Big East, therefore no conference for their other sports. Unless I’m missing something - which I could be - I don’t see anyone besides UConn going from the Big East to the Big 12.
 
ToolzieFan said:
I guess I don’t see why the Big 12 will need to take anyone as a basketball-only school.
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I'm with you. I literally only even suggested it because of all the Gonzaga smoke. It's be weird to just have Gonzaga. To me, Gonzaga is unlikely, but if you have Gonzaga, you probably have an eastern equivalent.
 
Nebraskan18 said:
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I have it from a very good source that we are officially leaving the Big East for the Big 12. No longer a rumor

My two big questions that I'm trying to figure out: 1) when is this happening, 2024-2025 already or further away. 2) Who else is joining, anyone else from the Northeast?
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I don’t think this post is getting enough attention :eek:
 
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Nebraskan18 said:
the deep amber alert GIF by The Deep (Series)


I have it from a very good source that we are officially leaving the Big East for the Big 12. No longer a rumor

My two big questions that I'm trying to figure out: 1) when is this happening, 2024-2025 already or further away. 2) Who else is joining, anyone else from the Northeast?
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Did you get the deluxe hot wax and undercarriage wash?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
If you need subscribers, picking and choosing is a bad strategy. Yormark needs markets, not a team here and a team there.
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I think it's ironic to a degree how the argument against Whalers 2.0 overlapping NYC and Boston is an argument in favor of UConn.
 
powerplay said:
I think it's ironic to a degree how the argument against Whalers 2.0 overlapping NYC and Boston is an argument in favor of UConn.
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Would be great to have Whalers 2.0 but I think it would require a new arena.
 
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Car washes aside, a lot of reporter insiders say UConn and Colorado are under heavy discussions right now. The last time the B12 got close to UConn, it got cold feet at the last second. But there's so much chatter from actual paid reporters on Twitter that it's kind of hard to ignore. UConn would also be able to move on immediately since the exit fee payout isn't tied to any notification announcement.
 
If the B12 brings in any school for 1 sport only, it better have a great payout structure that everyone aligns on. Just sounds like a recipe for disaster IMO. Having separate TV contracts for revenue generating sports is a potential pathway there.
 
upstater said:
UConn would also be able to move on immediately since the exit fee payout isn't tied to any notification announcement.
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is there a notification requirement in the Big East bylaws? I've been trying to look for that but I can't get a copy of it.
 
The B12 money will dry up because it just simply won't be a good enough football conference long term. Once Texas and Oklahoma leave, who is left that anyone gives a crap about in football? B12 would have to add Oregon, Utah, and Colorado (w/Deion) to draw any sort of interest to the conference.
 
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Just to be clear, a conference can't offer a school a basketball only invitation. Schools have to be a member of a conference for all sports that the conference offers, or be independent. They can be football only (or any other sport) only if their primary conference doesn't offer that sport.
 
gsmooth said:
That is a key human trait, IMO. Sure people want money and extrinsic rewards for themselves and for the conference in this particular case, but there is more to it than that. Yormark is paid handsomely and most likely has more money he knows what to do with, but being the best at something is a huge ego boost.
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I think Yormark is positioning the BIG 12 to be by far the best basketball conference because this helps ensure them as a power conference when the power conferences break from the NCAA and set up their own basketball tournament. If the majority of top basketball schools are outside of the SEC and BIG 10, then it will be difficult to break away without including the BIG 12.
 
That Guy said:
The B12 money will dry up because it just simply won't be a good enough football conference long term. Once Texas and Oklahoma leave, who is left that anyone gives a crap about in football? B12 would have to add Oregon, Utah, and Colorado (w/Deion) to draw any sort of interest to the conference.
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Are people this dense? The Big12 just renegotiated a contract that pays damn well, with the full understanding that Texas and Oklahoma are leaving. Newsflash. There are still programs there people want to see.
 
Friarsnoop said:
Just to be clear, a conference can't offer a school a basketball only invitation. Schools have to be a member of a conference for all sports that the conference offers, or be independent. They can be football only (or any other sport) only if their primary conference doesn't offer that sport.
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Explain NDs work around? I don't doubt you, i just know ND has avoided this.
 
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