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Poll: Part of the Game or Cheap Shot - Louisville vs BYU

Part of the Game or Cheap Shot

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boontonbomber said:
Another reason why I don't care for Walz- I don't believe that he even removed her from the game. And a shot of their huddle while the review was going on showed Walz talking to Moore, and she is laughing. She's a talented freshman, and certainly a good time to teach a lesson. But that's not his style.
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They were both laughing. Like buddies agreed to cheap shot a sucker
 
ladybears4eva said:
How did your team avoid Louisvilles thuggery? Does geno threaten their coach by asking for a clean game, or else we go italian job in the back?
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Breanna Stewart takes a pretty good beating from a lot of teams. She has said she expects it and you can't worry about what the refs are gonna call. Just keep playing. Geno I'm sure is letting the refs know about it.
 
ladybears4eva said:
I can't forget it. Taunting and pushing, and scratching was the majority of the game.

Griner had bruised forarms, scratches on her face, and was taunted terribly. I can't forget it.
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The one thing I'll remember from that game is the Shoni Schimmel in your face stare down of Griner.
 
Maybe that's what Stewart struggles with, attacks. I'm sure it can be distracting to a player if they are being hunted.

Stewart does play better when she moves around the court constantly, to not let the opposition get to double team her.

As soon as she stops moving she tends to get roughed up.


Griner wouldn't move around the court as much, so she took the hits.

Now in the WNBA, Griner is constantly moving to get the opponent off their defensive plans to rough her up, then again DT is probably yelling at her to move and attack.

Love her leadership.
 
ladybears4eva said:
How did your team avoid Louisvilles thuggery? Does geno threaten their coach by asking for a clean game, or else we go italian job in the back?
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We didn't. Just not something quite so blatant (yet). The refs haven't let it get too far out of hand when we have played. Not like that Baylor game. That was awful.
 
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It's sad the people can resort to violent moves. Please don't hurt each other girls, just defend and play ball. No need to touch.
 
Why doesnt bruno or geno coach rough play to their teams?

They focus on fundamental guarding without fouling. Not do whatever it takes, including fouling, to get the shooter to miss.

I liked reading about geno pushing his teams to guard with his practice line/guard/shooter drill. Tough to do.
 
ladybears4eva said:
How did your team avoid Louisvilles thuggery? Does geno threaten their coach by asking for a clean game, or else we go italian job in the back?
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We don't always avoid it. In the same tournament that they roughed up Griner Monique Reed tackled Stefanie Dolson and pushed her head to the floor. She was promptly rewarded with high fives from her teammates, and later returned to the game.
 
It was a dirty play, but Moore is not a dirty player nor is Louisville a dirty team nor is Walz a dirty coach. Some responses to this thread are careful not to collapse all of these things into one another. While some responses use a single play to vilify an entire program.

Nor is it any more convincing to dismiss what Walz is doing at Louisville or what Walz has done at Louisville by forcing a false equivalence between Moore's single play yesterday and the team's play against Baylor in the 2013 tournament.

Yes--it was hugely disappointing to see Moore do what she did. But it's also disappointing to see a moment transformed into something else through fandom.
 
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ladybears4eva said:
How did your team avoid Louisvilles thuggery? Does geno threaten their coach by asking for a clean game, or else we go italian job in the back?
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UConn is very physical and is well-coached in using size and bulk to move defenders around. Asjha Jones used to wipe out players in the paint, sometimes more than one would hit the floor at the same time, making a nice clear lane for her teammates. We had a player we nick-named Bam Bam for her enforcer qualities. Stef Dolson set some big picks, many not exactly motionless, and we loved all of those player for playing tough.
 
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BoomBoom said:
It was a dirty play, but Moore is not a dirty player nor is Louisville a dirty team nor is Walz a dirty coach. Some responses to this thread are careful not to collapse all of these things into one another. While some responses use a single play to vilify an entire program.

Nor is it any more convincing to dismiss what Walz is doing at Louisville or what Walz has done at Louisville by forcing a false equivalence between Moore's single play yesterday and the team's play against Baylor in the 2013 tournament.

Yes--it was hugely disappointing to see Moore do what she did. But it's also disappointing to see a moment transformed into something else through fandom.
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A single play? Sorry but history doesn't lie. They are thugs for sure.
 
I saw it live- couldn't open the link. Really dirty - not even worth a discussion. Refs should be fired.
The other issue the NCAA and their refs will have to look at is The undercutting after players leave their feet. It's getting to be common against Stewie. It is occasionally an accident boxing out. But there is a lot more dangerous intentional stuff going on that clips kids so quickly while they are airborne- the landings are scary. It's the same way KML got hurt - but that play did not look dirty or intentional. Stewie has gotten clipped often this year, and very intentionally and dangerous.
 
Blueballer said:
So you're suggesting "an eye for an eye" resulting in a possible serious injury to a player who may have had noting to do with the cheap shot is the way to respond? Sorry, can't agree with that.
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Usually I suggest 2 eyes for an eye, but that's just me.

When you attempt to injure a player, you should know that you put yourself and your teamates in peril. If THAT doesn't persuade you to put an end to your antics, you're teamates will.
 
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I do remember the old NBA when guards rarely went into the paint - for the simple reason that players like Russell and Chamberlain didn't like them to. The first time they did it in a game it was a surprise and they might score, second time, they would be lucky not to have an ambulance ride home. And the refs would basically look at the little guy on the floor and say ... probably shouldn't do that again. Then salaries got big and the 'stars' had to be protected and the enforcing sort of disappeared.

Uconn has always had a pretty strong physical presence, and a few blind side jarring screens can certainly suggest to opponents that 'getting overly physical' might not be a good idea. And there aren't a lot of games Uconn plays most years that are close enough, long enough to make 'physical play' a viable option. But a lot really does depend on the refs being somewhat competent - and that is not something one can count on in the women's game.
 
triaddukefan said:
:rolleyes: Good gosh. I guess thugs mean different things in different parts of the country.
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I guess. Way back when, I got majorly scolded on the BY for using the T- word (for Rutgers, and their coach). I guess there are racist connotations (re. Richard Sherman). I always think of Frank Nitty when I hear the word.
 
Why does the lousy officiating over this play surprise you? They've been incompetent for years! There are NO good WBB refs! The worst officiated sport in the USA! Late in the Duke/Miss St. game today there was a foul called against the defense that was an obvious pushing off by the offense that changed the momentum of the MSU come back! Even the "suits" said it was a lousy/terrible call!
But Dominique Dillingham was called for a blocking foul with 1:02 left, and coach Vic Schaefer received a technical foul for arguing that Greenwell should have been whistled for using her forearm, and had to be restrained by two of his assistant After Greenwell hit 3 of 4 free throws, Mississippi State never got closer than eight in the final minutes.
 
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Have to agree on the officiating comments. Perhaps they pay 1/10 of what refs for MCBB get? I was at today's spirited Texas-Cal game and couldn't believe how many times 40 Kelsey Lang was elbowing the other players but not called. Watch out, UConn or maybe just tap her funny bone?
 
Its become comical to watch these refs referee these games throughout the years. Its like every year the refs get worse!
I really really really wish there was something that could be done about it. If us fans see it and get angry over it, I could only imagine how the coaches must feel.
The refs have so much power to dictate how a game is going to be played, and to see them make horrible calls time after time is extremely frustrating.
 
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BoomBoom said:
It was a dirty play, but Moore is not a dirty player nor is Louisville a dirty team nor is Walz a dirty coach. Some responses to this thread are careful not to collapse all of these things into one another. While some responses use a single play to vilify an entire program.

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One isolated play would not be enough to define anything. But being from this players neck of the woods and having seen her play more than a few times I am actually surprised that this hasn't surfaced earlier. For some strange reason she was allowed to get away with similar antics in high school which would have gotten most players ejected from games. Perhaps because she was a really really good player. She is an amazingly talented player who doesn't need to play this way. Shame on those that encourage this type of play and officials that reinforce this behavior by not making the right calls. No surprise to me that she ended up at Louisville. Just too much information points to the fact that Waltz encourage's this type of play. A lot of basketball fans feel he is a good XX's and OO's coach, but I have little respect for the guy. If you want to be a tough guy go out and get in fights yourself but don't use girls to do it for you.
 
FWIW, the rotated shoulder is a pretty common aggressive move for people screening or impeding players cutting through the paint. Mariya put way too much ooomph into it to get away with it, and I suspect that's what Walz thought was stupid when the idea is just to clog the cutting lanes. This particular shot was so effective because the BYU player was running through the forest with her head lowered...something she'll learn to think twice about in future. I'm willing to give Mariya the benefit of the doubt that she didn't target the jaw, and that's where I draw a distinction between a punch and even a well-placed forearm, that invariably target something. Given the damage done, a few forearms thrown in response should settle the issue.
 
ladybears4eva said:
Maybe that's what Stewart struggles with, attacks. I'm sure it can be distracting to a player if they are being hunted.

Stewart does play better when she moves around the court constantly, to not let the opposition get to double team her.

As soon as she stops moving she tends to get roughed up.


Griner wouldn't move around the court as much, so she took the hits.

Now in the WNBA, Griner is constantly moving to get the opponent off their defensive plans to rough her up, then again DT is probably yelling at her to move and attack.

Love her leadership.
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Thanks. Great Griner posts.
 
OneTrickPony said:
FWIW, the rotated shoulder is a pretty common aggressive move for people screening or impeding players cutting through the paint. Mariya put way too much ooomph into it to get away with it, and I suspect that's what Walz thought was stupid when the idea is just to clog the cutting lanes. This particular shot was so effective because the BYU player was running through the forest with her head lowered...something she'll learn to think twice about in future. I'm willing to give Mariya the benefit of the doubt that she didn't target the jaw, and that's where I draw a distinction between a punch and even a well-placed forearm, that invariably target something. Given the damage done, a few forearms thrown in response should settle the issue.
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She targeted the head. A smaller player running through the lane - her action of ramming the opposing player in the head was defiinitely on purpose. She was head-hunting. Just because rotating shoulder is common doesn't mean you can't head-hunt. She head-hunted.
 
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