Poll: Part of the Game or Cheap Shot - Louisville vs BYU

[uconnell]

LOL. Dream on.... 'cause you clearly have no actual memory of the Baylor/Louisville game.

Maybe you are the one with no actual memory of that game. I lost respect for Walz for that game.

 

[mhshuskies]

One of the things I loved about Caroline Doty was she was not going to let L'ville pull that crap in the NC. Early on in that game she sent a message.

 

[mhshuskies]

Maybe you are the one with no actual memory of that game. I lost respect for Walz for that game.

I lost all respect for officiating.

 

[ursusminor]

Is this play by Mariya Moore a Part of the Game or Cheap Shot

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/3/21/8...s-hoops-player-levels-byu-player-with-vicious

No idea. Went to the link and I'm getting a still picture, no video at all.

 

[uconnell]

I've seen a lot of brutal, moving screens, that have targeted players. Never, of course, by Dolson. Never, of course, by Jess Moore. Never, of course, by Bam Bam. Ask their opposition or the officials....

It's a fine line between being physical and headhunting. Mostly it depends on which side of the pick/screen you're on.

I would call this video over the line and worth a flagrant 2. Felt the same thing about how Jess handled Kelly Mazzante.

It was Barb Turner that handled Mazzante.

 

[gamer]

I agree with those who have no respect for Jeff Walz. I remember the Baylor game two years ago in every detail. I do not love Baylor and think that Kim Mulkey is a pretty poor sport herself, but the assault on Brittney Griner was outrageous. The refs proved themselves completely incompetent, and Walz a thug for coaching that strategy.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Don't know why you can't see the Video but here's a Youtube clip on the play.

No idea. Went to the link and I'm getting a still picture, no video at all.

 

[Shenandoah]

Someone actually voted that it was "part of the game?"

Jeff Walz must be on The Boneyard...

 

[UcMiami]

I thought they played a really physical game against Baylor and the refs let them get away with it. I had no problem with that because it was physical but it was basketball.

This is different, this is a sucker punch thrown with a shoulder/forearm/whatever and had nothing to do with basketball - bumping cutting players is one thing, hacking them while shooting is one thing - this was back street mugging.

 

[EricLA]

It was a terrible incident compounded by Walz's lack of concern for the streetball attitude of one of his star players. I echo the sentiments that she should at least be benched for the next game, but even if he "did" that, it would be just to please the critics. I could imagine the conversation would go like this:

"Mariya - due to public pressure I need to keep you on the bench for our next game, but between you and me, nice job!"

 

[Frodo]

Just read a story in Louisville paper...tells mr that Walz doesn't get it or doesn't care. Walz said "They’re college kids...Nobody is trying to hurt anybody. You get caught up in the emotion of the game, and sometimes you make a decision that is like, ‘Gosh, that was pretty stupid.’

WRONG

It wasn't stupid...it was vicious and deliberate...period.

 

[HuskyNan]

Just read a story in Louisville paper...tells mr that Walz doesn't get it or doesn't care. Walz said "They’re college kids...Nobody is trying to hurt anybody. You get caught up in the emotion of the game, and sometimes you make a decision that is like, ‘Gosh, that was pretty stupid.’

WRONG

It wasn't stupid...it was vicious and deliberate...period.

Walz didn't condone the shot - he said it was stupid of her. And I don't think the Louisville kid woke up that morning thinking, "I'm going to try to hurt someone".

By the way, found this in a Utah newspaper:

Judkins' team came out swinging in the second half, to which Louisville responded, quite literally.

The teams exchanged blows early and often during the final period, most notably when Louisville's Mariya Moore laid her shoulder into BYU's Makenzi Morrison's jaw, drawing a flagrant foul at the 18:53 minute mark of the second half. Morrison was noticeably shaken up by the play, but was able to convert on both foul shots.

The next few minutes saw BYU's Lexi Eaton respond with some physical play of her own, including at least two hard elbows as if to respond to the increased intensity.

 

[JellyBean]

It was a cheap shot.

 

[j66kicker]

I've seen a lot of brutal, moving screens, that have targeted players. Never, of course, by Dolson. Never, of course, by Jess Moore. Never, of course, by Bam Bam. Ask their opposition or the officials....
It's a fine line between being physical and headhunting. Mostly it depends on which side of the pick/screen you're on.
I would call this video over the line and worth a flagrant 2. Felt the same thing about how Jess handled Kelly Mazzante.

Yeah, but she DESERVED it!

(Menendez defense)

 

[JellyBean]

Just read a story in Louisville paper...tells mr that Walz doesn't get it or doesn't care. Walz said "They’re college kids...Nobody is trying to hurt anybody. You get caught up in the emotion of the game, and sometimes you make a decision that is like, ‘Gosh, that was pretty stupid.’

WRONG

It wasn't stupid...it was vicious and deliberate...period.

Wow. Walz said that?

 

[Blueballer]

Did you watch the clip? Her arms are straight down the whole time. She didn't throw a punch or forearm. I don't know how the "throwing a punch" rules are written, but I think they would be hard pressed to suspend her for "throwing a punch(forearm)."

Octavius Ellis of the Cincinnati men was called for a Flagrant 2 and tossed from their first round game for what was essentially the same type of motion. Throwing an elbow that was for all intents and purposes a punch. Same penalty should have been applied to Moore.

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/octavius-ellis-will-play-tomorrow/

 

[uconnfan68]

She should have been ejected from the game for throwing a punch and suspended from the NCAAs. A game can be chippy but delivering forearm shivers to a person's chest/neck area is definitely a suspension - nothing accidental, not part of a tussle, just an out and out sucker punch.

It would not surprise me if the NCAA is looking into it. In fact I would be surprised if they aren't!

Be prepared to be surprised.

 

[mysticmajor]

Very disturbing. My vote is cheap shot x 3. That was nasty. She should not have been allowed to stay in the game by the refs or her coach. Second, In the past, I started to suspect that Waltz panders to his recruits and players. My opinion of him has been damaged beyond repair. That is a weak man.

 

[HuskyNan]

Again, we are not trashing high school players that have not played a college game.

 

[HoopsFan21]

Very disturbing. My vote is cheap shot x 3. That was nasty. She should not have been allowed to stay in the game by the refs or her coach. Second, In the past, I started to suspect that Waltz panders to his recruits and players. My opinion of him has been damaged beyond repair. That is a weak man.

I think Walz does condone this type of behavior. This isn't just an isolated incident. They are encouraged to play physical, and that can easily cross over into being dirty.

 

[HuskyNan]

I think Walz does condone this type of behavior. This isn't just an isolated incident. They are encouraged to play physical, and that can easily cross over into being dirty.

Louisville has always been a very physical team, always. UConn used to push them back just as hard. Do I think the shot the kid took was unwarranted and unsportsmanlike? Yes, I do but I do not think Jeff Walz told any kid on his team to make an unsportsmanlike play.

 

[PalPa]

Louisville has always been a very physical team, always. UConn used to push them back just as hard. Do I think the shot the kid took was unwarranted and unsportsmanlike? Yes, I do but I do not think Jeff Walz told any kid on his team to make an unsportsmanlike play.

But he does think it is ok to make one or he would have sat her down for a talking to. Also his quote from the newspaper seems to be the old "boys will be boys" type philosophy, in other words he doesn't care because they are just college kids.

 

[johnnyc]

Just read a story in Louisville paper...tells mr that Walz doesn't get it or doesn't care. Walz said "They’re college kids...Nobody is trying to hurt anybody. You get caught up in the emotion of the game, and sometimes you make a decision that is like, ‘Gosh, that was pretty stupid.’

WRONG

It wasn't stupid...it was vicious and deliberate...period.

Okay so nobody is trying to hurt anybody? She just got caught up in the emotion of the game and made a stupid decision to.....try and hurt someone.

 

[meyers7]

Which one? The shoulder the Louisville girl threw or the elbow the BYU girl through?

Personally I think both were pretty cheap.

 

[ndmb]

I guess I'm in the minority on this, but I think that this was on the line between a flagrant one and a flagrant two. The fact that her arms were straight down suggests that she was trying to play within the confines of the game to me. Bumping cutters IS part of the game; if Moore's shoulder doesn't connect with the other players head, this would be just a foul and no one would be talking about it. Based on the video, I think she was just taking a normal part of the game, and going overboard with it. I wouldn't be wailing about the injustice of it all if she had gotten ejected, but it is way easier to get caught up in the game in this way than people seem to be giving her credit for.