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Poll: Part of the Game or Cheap Shot - Louisville vs BYU

Part of the Game or Cheap Shot

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UCONN has had it's share of "tough" girls too. Though not as many lately. I remember Shea flattening a girl with a forearm crosscheck. (Granted the girl deserved it, from a prior play. ) Shea got the technical and we moved on.

I just wonder why many on here are not complaining as adamantly about the BYU girls thrown elbow?
 
As to being part of the game or a cheap shot. It was both. Definitely a cheap shot but when you are playing on the court you need to be prepared and to protect yourself at all times. If you don't you can get taken out in one small shot like that and it costs your team a player. Maybe a key player. Her teammate should have been calling out the pick to help protect her.
 
Icebear said:
As to being part of the game or a cheap shot. It was both. Definitely a cheap shot but when you are playing on the court you need to be prepared and to protect yourself at all times. If you don't you can get taken out in one small shot like that and it costs your team a player. Maybe a key player. Her teammate should have been calling out the pick to help protect her.
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That wasn't a pick. She was guarding the player at the time. Just wasn't letting her cut across the lane. (and sending a message)
 
I will add as a martial artist I would take issue with the rule as written...regarding the throwing of a punch or a forearm. Their are 108 weapons between the shoulders and the fingertips of ones hand. The shoulder strike is an actual martial arts strike used in Tai Chi, Kung and Karate. The video clearly shows that the use of Moore's shoulder was intentional... The result of the strike is undeniable.
 
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It is hard to believe that this shoulder face smash was not intentional ... I watched in over and over again and it looks calculated ... a learned response ... so I believe this not to be an accident ... a serious punitive response by the coach and NCAA is in order ...
 
AnotherVolFan said:
Its become comical to watch these refs referee these games throughout the years. Its like every year the refs get worse!
I really really really wish there was something that could be done about it. If us fans see it and get angry over it, I could only imagine how the coaches must feel.
The refs have so much power to dictate how a game is going to be played, and to see them make horrible calls time after time is extremely frustrating.
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AnotherVolFan- - - The main reason for the continued incompetence is the supervisors for each conference are ex-refs from that conference so they are grading their buddies they reffed with for 20+ years! They need ex NBA refs with no ties to supervise!
 
hoophuskee said:
She targeted the head. A smaller player running through the lane - her action of ramming the opposing player in the head was defiinitely on purpose. She was head-hunting. Just because rotating shoulder is common doesn't mean you can't head-hunt. She head-hunted.
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My mind-reading capabilities are deteriorating with age, so I give the benefit of the doubt when I don't know the player. You may be right, but if Mariya tries to make a living doing that she is going to take some hard shots in the paint herself...another reason that would be dumb...
 
cferraro04 said:
I will add as a martial artist I would take issue with the rule as written...regarding the throwing of a punch or a forearm. Their are 108 weapons between the shoulders and the fingertips of ones hand. The shoulder strike is an actual martial arts strike used in Tai Chi, Kung and Karate. The video clearly shows that the use of Moore's shoulder was intentional... The result of the strike is undeniable.
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.....at least we know the team hasn't trained in martial arts to learn those moves......oh wait....

http://www.thecardinalconnect.com/t...-mixed-martial-arts-in-their-summer-workouts/
 
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mhshuskies said:
That is why their "greatest upset victory" (against Baylor in the tourney) was tainted and bull ! L'ville was allowed to get away with it two years ago against Baylor so why shouldn't they continue to do it. If no further sanctions are imposed on them, then any future "agressive play" exhibited by L'ville is on the NCAA. Part of their MO.
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I'm not saying that game wasn't physical.... BUT, when you adopt a flopping mentality like Baylor has.... you put yourself at risk. Refs don't know what to do when bruisers play floppers.
 
I think the BYU kid Eaton did, in fact, retaliate when she threw that elbow (which should have been a flagrant 1) but only after Louisville's Mariya Moore's absolutely vicious shoulder shiver, which should have been whistled as a flagrant 2 and ejection. I blame crappy, incompetent officials for letting that stuff get to that point. The same guy Joe Cunningham who "reffed" the UL-BYU melee did a game of ours in the Gulf Coast tourney (I think vs. GB) and he was downright clueless and unprofessional. Bad refs ruin games and can get kids hurt.
 
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meyers7 said:
That wasn't a pick. She was guarding the player at the time. Just wasn't letting her cut across the lane. (and sending a message)
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I know it wasn't a pick but a teammate should be giving a heads up whether a pick or not. These type of crossings happen all the time in the game. The play was illegal and it was called as it should have been. But that does solve the problem of players needing to be aware to protect themselves.
 
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The three refs involved are: Brenda Pantoja, Brian Garland, Joe Cunningham.
Pantoja is a west coast ref that does a pretty good job. She also does, or did, some NBA games over the past 6 years. I dont know of Brian Garland, who mainly does games in Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana. Joe Cunningham works games from Virginia, to Georgia through Mississippi.

Cheap shot IMO. Any chance Walz showed the Cardinals the movie "Slapshot" the night before?
 
Icebear said:
I know it wasn't a pick but a teammate should be giving a heads up whether a pick or not.
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What? That makes no sense. At least to this situation????

The girl who was guarding her? The girl who was right in front of her? The girl who she was trying to get around? Her teammates should have warned her about THIS girl? How pray tell where they supposed to read her mind????
 
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Huskies Rule said:
I think the BYU kid Eaton did, in fact, retaliate when she threw that elbow (which should have been a flagrant 1) but only after Louisville's Mariya Moore's absolutely vicious shoulder shiver, which should have been whistled as a flagrant 2 and ejection. I blame crappy, incompetent officials for letting that stuff get to that point. The same guy Joe Cunningham who "reffed" the UL-BYU melee did a game of ours in the Gulf Coast tourney (I think vs. GB) and he was downright clueless and unprofessional. Bad refs ruin games and can get kids hurt.
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Why would Eaton's (if that's the girl, I don't remember the name), elbow be a Flagrant 1 and Moore's shoulder be a Flagrant 2?
 
meyers7 said:
Why would Eaton's (if that's the girl, I don't remember the name), elbow be a Flagrant 1 and Moore's shoulder be a Flagrant 2?
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What Moore did was tantamount to a battery- in terms of the manifest intent of the act and the harm done to Morrison (reported concussion). While Lexi Eaton's response to that prior bad behavior was assaultive and deplorable, it was a glancing blow and far less loathsome and damaging.

*The USA Today video of the "devastating cheap shot" is awful. Interesting to read Mariya Moore's published apology.
*I don't advocate litigating violent incidents between young athletes on the playing field, but prosecuting this act would be a slam dunk.
 
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I've seen some dirty play over the years from Syracuse and from Georgetown in some seasons. But that Louisville team with A younger Slaughter about 3-4 years ago was really dirty when they played us anyway. They also had a 5th yr senior who was really bad occasionally. There was one away game in Louisville we ended up winning by 9/10/11 points. It was an absolute war. Looked more like a rugby match.
The refs can keep any game close depending on how they feel like calling a given game.
 
Huskies Rule said:
What Moore did was tantamount to a battery- in terms of the manifest intent of the act and the harm done to Morrison (reported concussion). While Lexi Eaton's response to that prior bad behavior was assaultive and deplorable, it was a glancing blow and far less loathsome and damaging.

*The USA Today video of the "devastating cheap shot" is awful. Interesting to read Mariya Moore's published apology.
*I don't advocate litigating violent incidents between young athletes on the playing field, but prosecuting this act would be a slam dunk.
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The kid's a freshman in her first tounament and she did something stupid. Let's not get crazy. And she did apologize publicly - http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...kenzi-morrison-ncaa-tournament-game/25183113/

Brittany Griner lost her mind as a freshman and sucker punched another player. We now know her as a decent human being who let herself get out of contol for a moment and made a really bad decision. I think the parallel is there.
 
OneTrickPony said:
FWIW, I'm willing to give Mariya the benefit of the doubt that she didn't target the jaw, and that's where I draw a distinction between a punch and even a well-placed forearm, that invariably target something.
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Perhaps you can, but from what I have seen on multiple occasions ( it wasn't just an exclusive use of shoulders or forearms either ) there is no doubt left in my mind about intent.
 
willtalk said:
Perhaps you can, but from what I have seen on multiple occasions ( it wasn't just an exclusive use of shoulders or forearms either ) there is no doubt left in my mind about intent.
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Since I haven't seen her play much, I'll defer to you...
 
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I'm stunned even one person thought her actions "were part of the game." Not to mention there seems quite a few more.

I'm further stunned that there are some that are unsure she meant to pop the other player in the head. .

I guess years ago Kermit Washington was just sending a message to Rudy Tomjanovich and the league not to mess with him - it's fine sending messages like Kermit did. Actually it was Rudy's fault because he should have known "the big right was coming." After all he has to expect that sort of thing. Further we don't know really that Kermit meant to hit Rudy. Rudy's head just got in the way of Kermit's fist.
 
[QUOTE="hoophuskee, post: 1271638, member: 3535]I guess years ago Kermit Washington was just sending a message to Rudy Tomjanovich and the league not to mess with him - it's fine sending messages like Kermit did. Actually it was Rudy's fault because he should have known "the big right was coming." After all he has to expect that sort of thing. Further we don't know really that Kermit meant to hit Rudy. Rudy's head just got in the way of Kermit's fist.[/QUOTE]

It was really Rudy' teammates' fault for not giving him a heads-up - what were they thinking???

Seriously, this was not a Kermit Washington haymaker. It was egregious, intentional and uncalled for, but not "deadly", and not a "punch." IMO it was penalized appropriately, and everyone is moving on appropriately.
 
much as we blame her, it still returns to Walz. He is quoted in the article as saying they've "dealt with it." REALLY? Did they take her to dinner to celebrate? Say, "Mariya, you're getting bad press so why don't you apologize" as opposed to benching the kid for a game, or AT LEAST, a half?
 
Gate81 said:
much as we blame her, it still returns to Walz. He is quoted in the article as saying they've "dealt with it." REALLY? Did they take her to dinner to celebrate? Say, "Mariya, you're getting bad press so why don't you apologize" as opposed to benching the kid for a game, or AT LEAST, a half?
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You are correct! Every player should be held accountable for their actions, however we also need to remember that high school and college players are still young and formative. This is where the accountability of the coach's and those around them kicks in. Some players are naturally aggressive but that does not have to be a bad thing. Actually in athletics that is usually a real positive. The responsibility of coaches around them is to define acceptable boundaries that fall within the rules. I believe in this respect she has been let down by the people with that responsibility in her life. There was little accountability, in that respect. Rather they encouraged pushing the limit to what ever you can get away which seemed to have been the order of the day. This might also include those fans, officials and press in NorCal who closed their eyes to obvious red flags and instead reinforced negative behavior. Of course the term "Sport" which use to be synonymous with fair play, seems to have lost it's meaning and has instead been replaced with a win at any cost attitude via bending the rules till they break in order to gain every possible advantage

I suspect the problem Walz had with this incident was not with what she did, but only that it was too obvious which resulted in her getting caught. I am sure more time will be spent in honing that skill.
 
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I halfway expect to hear a chorus of boos rain down from the stands when Ms Moore comes out during the pre-game introductions this coming Saturday in Albany.

@meyers7
 
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