Please Be Careful

[jibsey]

I know it’s hoops but I wanted to share this just in case. A former employees father of mine who was 78, not ill and preexisting conditions of diabetes and high blood pressure passed from Covid in just 1 week. His son who lives with him and was going to the gym brought it home. Why they never signed him up and got him the vaccine a month ago I don’t know but they could have It seems. They are all devastated over something preventable. If you have aged people you know go and call for them to get an appointment as many are not computer savvy or will not take the initiative themselves. No one is wearing masks in the gyms ( I got the vaccine) and I understand that because you can’t breathe well. Second person I know but the first got it too early for the vaccine.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

There are 3 soon to be 4 vaccines. Which are you passing on?

In my professional opinion, the Pfizer vaccine is the safest, with Moderna close behind it. The Moderna is safe but does cause a side effect in some people, it’s been dubbed “COVID Arm”. The side effect will manifest itself 5 to 9 days after getting the first shot. Symptoms are intense itching of the upper arm that got the shot, and a raised red patch around the injection site. The AZ vaccine I would stay away from until they fix the blood clotting side effects and the data inconsistencies.

 

[8893]

I heard some epidemiologists this morning say they just don't know the answers to these questions yet.

No, they don't know for sure, but the early data is very promising:

Yale doctor: Vaccine immunity appears to last at least a year

“We don’t have all the answers yet,” said the leader of Yale’s clinical trials....

www.nhregister.com

 

[phillionaire]

They cut corners to rush this to market, which is typical for the vaccine industry which is exempt from liability (see 1986 NVICP signed by Reagan). There is no internal incentive for absolute safety. HCV and HIV vaccines took 25+ years, in terms of R&D and rigorous testing. Then on top of it, we have these various covid vaccines which are only focused on symptom mitigation, albeit important for high risk individuals.

Scientists have been working on vaccines for coronaviruses since SARS in the early 2000s, and coronaviruses are completely different from the viruses that cause hepC and HIV. I understand wanting to be safe but there’s no evidence of significant adverse events from these vaccines.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

I'm seeing this confusion crop up everywhere. Some people don't seem to understand that the vaccines provide immunity to symptomatic Covid-19, meaning you don't get sick from it and you probably don't transmit it to others.

It does not protect you from contracting asymptomatic Covid-19 and testing positive for it even after you are fully vaccinated.

With a virus the human immune system eventually wins out over time or humanity would have become extinct long ago. The key is that COVID needs an infected individual to make exact copies of itself to make others sick, so when a mutation occurs 99% of the time those mutations are weaker or are are predisposed to a different blood type, or other clinical factor. If not, the human race would have been wiped out ages ago. I’m more worried about Yellowstone blowing up and killing us all. LOL

 

[Ripper32]

Scientists have been working on vaccines for coronaviruses since SARS in the early 2000s, and coronaviruses are completely different from the viruses that cause hepC and HIV. I understand wanting to be safe but there’s no evidence of significant adverse events from these vaccines.

We're going to find out over the next 5 to 10 years, given the abundant sample size. Hopefully, no ADE flareups or sterility issues arise.

 

[Kitaman]

I heard some epidemiologists this morning say they just don't know the answers to these questions yet.

And no one knows how long it lasts. They're talking booster shots in the future to fully vaccinated people.

 

[CONN78SEJ]

And no one knows how long it lasts. They're talking booster shots in the future to fully vaccinated people.

Geez, so what, your yearly fall flu shot is also a booster.

 

[upstater]

And no one knows how long it lasts. They're talking booster shots in the future to fully vaccinated people.

I've only heard of boosters discussed relative to variants.

The idea here is to completely tamp down Covid-19 the way that SARS disappeared, through herd immunity.

But if we don't get there quickly, we'll need boosters for variants in the future.

Obviously--and we can predict this isn't going to get through the brains of many Americans--the US will have to take the lead on helping out immediate neighbors and trading partners get their populations vaccinated as well (I can hear the screams already about a waste of taxpayer money!).

 

[ZenConn]

They cut corners to rush this to market, which is typical for the vaccine industry which is exempt from liability (see 1986 NVICP signed by Reagan). There is no internal incentive for absolute safety. HCV and HIV vaccines took 25+ years, in terms of R&D and rigorous testing. Then on top of it, we have these various covid vaccines which are only focused on symptom mitigation, albeit important for high risk individuals.

The mRNA vaccines are different from traditional vaccines so the historical timeline applied to traditional vaccines does not or should not apply here.

I don't disagree that the timeline has been expedited in the midst of a global pandemic but general safety hasn't been compromised. Like any other drug that you take, there are going to be some side effects or risks in taking it. There is no such thing as "absolute safety" for any drug or vaccine.

 

[upstater]

No, they don't know for sure, but the early data is very promising:

Yale doctor: Vaccine immunity appears to last at least a year

“We don’t have all the answers yet,” said the leader of Yale’s clinical trials....

www.nhregister.com

Thanks

This article actually says that those who participated in the Pfizer trial are thought not to be capable of spreading Covid asymptomatically.

So the vaccine may actually prevent transmission up until its efficacy point (95%).

If true, then we would presumably reach herd immunity much quicker.

 

[jibsey]

Since I have direct evidence of people dying from not being vaccinated, and it being spread to them by asymptomatic young people I want to know why so many people old and young have been misled and are not getting it. A number of relatives on both sides of my family have been bamboozled with no scientific evidence to support their claims of the vaccine being too dangerous to get. Show me the science. People have and will die from this stupidity.

 

[nomar]

There are 3 soon to be 4 vaccines. Which are you passing on?

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know about you, but I'm not gonna let BIG TECH track me.

Sent from my iPhone

 

[BackAftaThis]

Since I have direct evidence of people dying from not being vaccinated, and it being spread to them by asymptomatic young people I want to know why so many people old and young have been misled and are not getting it. A number of relatives on both sides of my family have been bamboozled with no scientific evidence to support their claims of the vaccine being too dangerous to get. Show me the science. People have and will die from this stupidity.

Yes and you do whatever you’re comfortable with. The death rate is 1.8%. My condolences to your own personal experience but the odds are near all will not die from this. Obesity, age, and any other co-morbidities are major factors in determining your own risk.

 

[andy34]

The mRNA vaccines are different from traditional vaccines so the historical timeline applied to traditional vaccines does not or should not apply here.

I don't disagree that the timeline has been expedited in the midst of a global pandemic but general safety hasn't been compromised. Like any other drug that you take, there are going to be some side effects or risks in taking it. There is no such thing as "absolute safety" for any drug or vaccine.

Great point - not all vaccines are similar or have similar pathways from concept to viability.

This article came out last month, but I thought it did a great job explaining how mRNA vaccines have been developed, and how they have been able to significantly shorten the amount of time required to create them.

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[selles]

Since I have direct evidence of people dying from not being vaccinated, and it being spread to them by asymptomatic young people I want to know why so many people old and young have been misled and are not getting it. A number of relatives on both sides of my family have been bamboozled with no scientific evidence to support their claims of the vaccine being too dangerous to get. Show me the science. People have and will die from this stupidity.

I think the only scientific evidence we really have at this point is that the vaccines very likely do not have severe side effects for the vast majority of people who take them, and that they provide some level of protection. Beyond that we don't know too much. I understand people having qualms given the expedited emergency approval process, the questions about ultimate efficacy, and the minimal level of risk to young healthy people from COVID.

I'm personally in between Moderna shots, but that's partly because at this point I'd let people inject anything into my arm to get my kids back in school full time. It will be a very different calculus for me if the vaccines are approved for children without a more standard review process.

 

[Chin Diesel]

No, they don't know for sure, but the early data is very promising:

Yale doctor: Vaccine immunity appears to last at least a year

“We don’t have all the answers yet,” said the leader of Yale’s clinical trials....

www.nhregister.com

It seems like the scientists saying "I don't know yet" reasonably beli fe based on past vaccines that these COVID vaccines prevent transmission. They just can't yet say it scientifically.

These same people would go to the beach and say they're not sure if it's water because they haven't done scientific research on it yet.

I'm fully confident watching numbers drop around the country of new cases, reduced hospitalizations, lower death rates, etc that vaccinated people very rarely if ever can carry and pass on the virus to others. The stuff I was reading were doctors saying there isn't any case they can point to of passing it on from a vaccinated person.

We will be very close to normal in 6-8 weeks.

 

[Lefty2one]

Stories like this are terrible. The poor kid will never get over it, such a preventable death. A guy I knew through work (we had a few shared clients) passed away from COVID last week. He wasn't even 50 years old. I don't know if he had a pre-existing condition but I do know he had two younger kids. Just a horrible situation.

COVID fatigue has hit way too many people, especially in the last couple of months. The finish line is in sight and some states and many people are acting like we're already in the clear.

My parents are in their 70s and have been diligent with their safety through the entire pandemic until more recently. Just before they go their vaxx they started asking about doing less-safe activities. Going to more places in public, having unvaccinated people in their home. Thankfully my sister and I were able to talk some sense into them and they're both now fully vaccinated, but for a brief stretch it was as if they were different people and ready to throw caution to the wind.

 

[8893]

What language is this?

 

[mussels]

What language is this?

Strange thing is without exactly realizing when it happened, I find myself being able to understand it.

 

[Kathy]

I heard some epidemiologists this morning say they just don't know the answers to these questions yet.

They don't, they are erring on the side of caution just in case.

 

[Peacefrog]

The misinformation going around along with people's willingness to accept it at face value continues to astonish me. So much of it is easily debunked with a modicum of internet searching but only if an individual actually wants to get to the truth. Take Nomar's joke about government tracking of people via the vaccine, some people are actually convinced of this stuff.

A concerning point was made earlier in the thread about variants. The more late adopters and outright refusers we have, the more likely we are to see mutations develop for which the vaccines don't work. Then we have to develop new ones and so on. We might never get ahead of it if adoption doesn't improve globally. Masks and other restrictions could be with us for a lot longer.

Secondly, and I've been banging drums in many similar threads, this is not a two-outcome disease. Yes, the fatality rate is low. Thankfully, I don't personally know anybody that has died from Covid. But I do know three people that have been on oxygen for several months and don't know if/when they will be able to get off of it. There are many "long haulers" even among younger age groups.

I understand having concerns about the long term side effects of the vaccine but there is no evidence of anything to be concerned about yet nor do scientists expect any (obviously) based on the technology which has been around a while. While on the other hand we are seeing clear evidence of long-term effects from the disease in many who do not die including young people and those with mild or asymptomatic cases.

 

[Edward Sargent]

I heard many stories about kids infecting their parents and the parent dying. Regardless of how it happened, the kid living with that has got to feel freakin terrible. It may be a feeling that will never go away, without help.

Hopefully he/she can forgive themselves.

He or she should feel terrible, I wouldn't feel sorry for them

 

[todbo]

My wife and I know about twenty people who have contracted the disease. Their conditions range from minor discomfort to "covid toes" (in our 17 year old granddaughter) to severe illness at home to multiple hospitalizations to death. Anti-vaxxers seem to have forgotten that vaccination virtually eliminated polio and smallpox.

 

[J187Money]

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know about you, but I'm not gonna let BIG TECH track me.

Sent from my iPhone

HAHA - as if they had a tracker they wouldn't just put it in something else we already ingested. Of all of the nonsense - this one is the funniest.

 

[8893]

HAHA - as if they had a tracker they wouldn't just put it in something else we already ingested.

 

[billybud]

I see the white trails in the sky where government planes are spraying mind control drugs....daily.

I put on my NBC warfare mask when outside and repeat my basic beliefs often to ensure that I have not yet been controlled..

"Never throw behind the runner"

"Never hit on 18"

 

[GoUconn7961]

I don’t know what gyms you’re citing, but I’m a member at 3 CT gyms and every one wears masks. Even if you pull the mask down and expose your nose, you get told fairly quickly to pull it back up, and disinfecting spray bottles are all over the place. Even so many members have already been vaccinated myself included.

There’s a gym where I am and no one wears masks. I was there one day and then demanded my money back.
I made my mother’s appointment for her since she was having trouble. Sometimes parents fight you but do it anyway.

 

[Excalibur]

I will pass on the experimental vaccine that doesn't prevent contraction. Everyone has a choice I guess. Weigh the pros vs cons.

So much wrong in this statement.

 

[Excalibur]

I'm seeing this confusion crop up everywhere. Some people don't seem to understand that the vaccines provide immunity to symptomatic Covid-19, meaning you don't get sick from it and you probably don't transmit it to others.

It does not protect you from contracting asymptomatic Covid-19 and testing positive for it even after you are fully vaccinated.

Even this isn't necessarily true. They simply don't know yet if it protects from contracting asymptomatic Covid or from spreading the disease, but the early returns are encouraging. It would be highly unusual if the vaccine did not at least greatly curtail asymptomatic spread.

 

[superjohn]

The misinformation going around along with people's willingness to accept it at face value continues to astonish me. So much of it is easily debunked with a modicum of internet searching but only if an individual actually wants to get to the truth. Take Nomar's joke about government tracking of people via the vaccine, some people are actually convinced of this stuff.

A concerning point was made earlier in the thread about variants. The more late adopters and outright refusers we have, the more likely we are to see mutations develop for which the vaccines don't work. Then we have to develop new ones and so on. We might never get ahead of it if adoption doesn't improve globally. Masks and other restrictions could be with us for a lot longer.

Secondly, and I've been banging drums in many similar threads, this is not a two-outcome disease. Yes, the fatality rate is low. Thankfully, I don't personally know anybody that has died from Covid. But I do know three people that have been on oxygen for several months and don't know if/when they will be able to get off of it. There are many "long haulers" even among younger age groups.

I understand having concerns about the long term side effects of the vaccine but there is no evidence of anything to be concerned about yet nor do scientists expect any (obviously) based on the technology which has been around a while. While on the other hand we are seeing clear evidence of long-term effects from the disease in many who do not die including young people and those with mild or asymptomatic cases.

There's a neverending supply of stupid people in this country and our political leaders and health leaders have never really been forthright with us from the beginning. It all leads to a whole lot of nonsense.