Please Be Careful

[jibsey]

I know it’s hoops but I wanted to share this just in case. A former employees father of mine who was 78, not ill and preexisting conditions of diabetes and high blood pressure passed from Covid in just 1 week. His son who lives with him and was going to the gym brought it home. Why they never signed him up and got him the vaccine a month ago I don’t know but they could have It seems. They are all devastated over something preventable. If you have aged people you know go and call for them to get an appointment as many are not computer savvy or will not take the initiative themselves. No one is wearing masks in the gyms ( I got the vaccine) and I understand that because you can’t breathe well. Second person I know but the first got it too early for the vaccine.

 

[Peacefrog]

The misinformation going around along with people's willingness to accept it at face value continues to astonish me. So much of it is easily debunked with a modicum of internet searching but only if an individual actually wants to get to the truth. Take Nomar's joke about government tracking of people via the vaccine, some people are actually convinced of this stuff.

A concerning point was made earlier in the thread about variants. The more late adopters and outright refusers we have, the more likely we are to see mutations develop for which the vaccines don't work. Then we have to develop new ones and so on. We might never get ahead of it if adoption doesn't improve globally. Masks and other restrictions could be with us for a lot longer.

Secondly, and I've been banging drums in many similar threads, this is not a two-outcome disease. Yes, the fatality rate is low. Thankfully, I don't personally know anybody that has died from Covid. But I do know three people that have been on oxygen for several months and don't know if/when they will be able to get off of it. There are many "long haulers" even among younger age groups.

I understand having concerns about the long term side effects of the vaccine but there is no evidence of anything to be concerned about yet nor do scientists expect any (obviously) based on the technology which has been around a while. While on the other hand we are seeing clear evidence of long-term effects from the disease in many who do not die including young people and those with mild or asymptomatic cases.

 

[Edward Sargent]

I heard many stories about kids infecting their parents and the parent dying. Regardless of how it happened, the kid living with that has got to feel freakin terrible. It may be a feeling that will never go away, without help.

Hopefully he/she can forgive themselves.

He or she should feel terrible, I wouldn't feel sorry for them

 

[todbo]

My wife and I know about twenty people who have contracted the disease. Their conditions range from minor discomfort to "covid toes" (in our 17 year old granddaughter) to severe illness at home to multiple hospitalizations to death. Anti-vaxxers seem to have forgotten that vaccination virtually eliminated polio and smallpox.

 

[J187Money]

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know about you, but I'm not gonna let BIG TECH track me.

Sent from my iPhone

HAHA - as if they had a tracker they wouldn't just put it in something else we already ingested. Of all of the nonsense - this one is the funniest.

 

[8893]

HAHA - as if they had a tracker they wouldn't just put it in something else we already ingested.

 

[billybud]

I see the white trails in the sky where government planes are spraying mind control drugs....daily.

I put on my NBC warfare mask when outside and repeat my basic beliefs often to ensure that I have not yet been controlled..

"Never throw behind the runner"

"Never hit on 18"

 

[GoUconn7961]

I don’t know what gyms you’re citing, but I’m a member at 3 CT gyms and every one wears masks. Even if you pull the mask down and expose your nose, you get told fairly quickly to pull it back up, and disinfecting spray bottles are all over the place. Even so many members have already been vaccinated myself included.

There’s a gym where I am and no one wears masks. I was there one day and then demanded my money back.
I made my mother’s appointment for her since she was having trouble. Sometimes parents fight you but do it anyway.

 

[Excalibur]

I will pass on the experimental vaccine that doesn't prevent contraction. Everyone has a choice I guess. Weigh the pros vs cons.

So much wrong in this statement.

 

[Excalibur]

I'm seeing this confusion crop up everywhere. Some people don't seem to understand that the vaccines provide immunity to symptomatic Covid-19, meaning you don't get sick from it and you probably don't transmit it to others.

It does not protect you from contracting asymptomatic Covid-19 and testing positive for it even after you are fully vaccinated.

Even this isn't necessarily true. They simply don't know yet if it protects from contracting asymptomatic Covid or from spreading the disease, but the early returns are encouraging. It would be highly unusual if the vaccine did not at least greatly curtail asymptomatic spread.

 

[superjohn]

The misinformation going around along with people's willingness to accept it at face value continues to astonish me. So much of it is easily debunked with a modicum of internet searching but only if an individual actually wants to get to the truth. Take Nomar's joke about government tracking of people via the vaccine, some people are actually convinced of this stuff.

A concerning point was made earlier in the thread about variants. The more late adopters and outright refusers we have, the more likely we are to see mutations develop for which the vaccines don't work. Then we have to develop new ones and so on. We might never get ahead of it if adoption doesn't improve globally. Masks and other restrictions could be with us for a lot longer.

Secondly, and I've been banging drums in many similar threads, this is not a two-outcome disease. Yes, the fatality rate is low. Thankfully, I don't personally know anybody that has died from Covid. But I do know three people that have been on oxygen for several months and don't know if/when they will be able to get off of it. There are many "long haulers" even among younger age groups.

I understand having concerns about the long term side effects of the vaccine but there is no evidence of anything to be concerned about yet nor do scientists expect any (obviously) based on the technology which has been around a while. While on the other hand we are seeing clear evidence of long-term effects from the disease in many who do not die including young people and those with mild or asymptomatic cases.

There's a neverending supply of stupid people in this country and our political leaders and health leaders have never really been forthright with us from the beginning. It all leads to a whole lot of nonsense.

 

[Excalibur]

HAHA - as if they had a tracker they wouldn't just put it in something else we already ingested. Of all of the nonsense - this one is the funniest.

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[ASweet3781]

So how does the OP know that the son gave COVID to his father?

And why even share this on a message board? You feel good for suggesting the son gave this disease and killed his own dad? Guess it was because he was so selfish because he went to the gym. Without a mask.

And even the guy who died of COVID gets thrown under the bus. "Why they never signed him up to be vaccinated I don't know...".

How do you know what they did or didn't do? My parents are in their 70s and live in Mass and just got in last Friday for their 2nd shot (they tried for weeks to get their appointments).

You have no idea what this families situation is or what they did and didn't do. And of course no one is bothered by it. Share on a message board a guy died, shame his son for it, and shame the dead guy too. No one blinks an eye. But that's the sick part about COVID some are really enjoying. It's been the greatest gift to the judgmental and self righteous.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Thanks

This article actually says that those who participated in the Pfizer trial are thought not to be capable of spreading Covid asymptomatically.

So the vaccine may actually prevent transmission up until its efficacy point (95%).

If true, then we would presumably reach herd immunity much quicker.

Great article. Thanks.

 

[polycom]

Needles in arms that’s all that matters. Make it happen, if you don’t want the vax that’s fine this is a free country but you shouldn’t get any services to treat your covid the end.

 

[8893]

Even this isn't necessarily true. They simply don't know yet if it protects from contracting asymptomatic Covid or from spreading the disease, but the early returns are encouraging. It would be highly unusual if the vaccine did not at least greatly curtail asymptomatic spread.

Good clarification. My first part is true but I should have said they don’t know yet about the second but the data from that article I linked sounds promising.

 

[Fishy]

They cut corners to rush this to market, which is typical for the vaccine industry which is exempt from liability (see 1986 NVICP signed by Reagan). There is no internal incentive for absolute safety. HCV and HIV vaccines took 25+ years, in terms of R&D and rigorous testing. Then on top of it, we have these various covid vaccines which are only focused on symptom mitigation, albeit important for high risk individuals.

This is what natural selection looks like.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I heard many stories about kids infecting their parents and the parent dying. Regardless of how it happened, the kid living with that has got to feel freakin terrible. It may be a feeling that will never go away, without help.

Hopefully he/she can forgive themselves.

Probably learned a good lesson at least

 

[Rocktheworld]

My wife is a covid nazi, but in the end I'm thankful for it. There are a lot of people out there killing other people and they have no idea.

Someone’s protect the idiots from themselves, amirite?

 

[BackAftaThis]

Needles in arms that’s all that matters. Make it happen, if you don’t want the vax that’s fine this is a free country but you shouldn’t get any services to treat your covid the end.

No STD services if you don’t wear condoms either

 

[Rocktheworld]

Anti-vaxxers are no more than a branch of conspiracy theorists. I think they need to start being called as such more explicitly so as to shame them.

 

[Scoe]

Krispy Kreme is giving away free donuts every day for a year if you get the vaccine, isn’t that a little counter productive there eating donuts every day for a year. Nonetheless guess it’s a cool gesture on Krispy Kreme behalf.

 

[Rocktheworld]

No STD services if you don’t wear condoms either

How much did your vaccine cost you?

 

[connVA]

Yes and you do whatever you’re comfortable with. The death rate is 1.8%. My condolences to your own personal experience but the odds are near all will not die from this. Obesity, age, and any other co-morbidities are major factors in determining your own risk.

It's a good thing you only have to worry about death with COVID. Oh wait...

 

[Rocktheworld]

Krispy Kreme is giving away free donuts every day for a year if you get the vaccine, isn’t that a little counter productive there eating donuts every day for a year. Nonetheless guess it’s a cool gesture on Krispy Kreme behalf.

Lol I’m gonna treat this like a bad joke because everyone else is about to go in on you if you’re serious

 

[TheChamps990411]

I know it’s hoops but I wanted to share this just in case. A former employees father of mine who was 78, not ill and preexisting conditions of diabetes and high blood pressure passed from Covid in just 1 week. His son who lives with him and was going to the gym brought it home. Why they never signed him up and got him the vaccine a month ago I don’t know but they could have It seems. They are all devastated over something preventable. If you have aged people you know go and call for them to get an appointment as many are not computer savvy or will not take the initiative themselves. No one is wearing masks in the gyms ( I got the vaccine) and I understand that because you can’t breathe well. Second person I know but the first got it too early for the vaccine.

Not surprised you live in Florida.