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If he actually thought we played Big 12-like football now, we would have to schedule an intervention and, most likely, a lobotomy.

If I actually thought we played Big 12-like football now, nobody better touch anything! I'm perfectly happy in my own delusional land of offensive ignorance. I thought that our 16-10 St Pete loss, or was it our 56-50 loss?, was perfectly entertaining.
 
Btw, I love this perpetual rumor of FedEx giving $50M to a conference to take Memphis.

It's been around since the Big East days. How that ever was passed off as having any semblance of truth is actually remarkable.
 
Btw, I love this perpetual rumor of FedEx giving $50M to a conference to take Memphis.

It's been around since the Big East days. How that ever was passed off as having any semblance of truth is actually remarkable.

Thought the rumor was the CEO of FedEx would give the money?

Publicly-traded companies just can't GIVE $50 million to a sports conference, nor could the CEO unilaterally agree to sponsor them.
 
A bunch of my high school friends worked at Bohemian Grove every summer. Interesting place to be sure.
Wish I could hang out at the old growth forest there. ;)
 
Btw, I love this perpetual rumor of FedEx giving $50M to a conference to take Memphis.

It's been around since the Big East days. How that ever was passed off as having any semblance of truth is actually remarkable.
Thought the rumor was the CEO of FedEx would give the money?

Publicly-traded companies just can't GIVE $50 million to a sports conference, nor could the CEO unilaterally agree to sponsor them.


http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...illions-to-buy-Memphis-a-bet?urn=ncaaf,247948

It's been around for many years. The idea was centered on FedEx pulled Orange Bowl sponsorship and would use up to $10m per year to bowls affiliated with a conference Memphis was invited to join.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...illions-to-buy-Memphis-a-bet?urn=ncaaf,247948

It's been around for many years. The idea was centered on FedEx pulled Orange Bowl sponsorship and would use up to $10m per year to bowls affiliated with a conference Memphis was invited to join.

Thanks for the link.

Still think it would be next to an impossible sell for FedEx Board of Directors to tell shareholders that they are spending $10m year in sponsorship money for the purpose of getting a second tier state university from Tennessee into a better Athletic Conference.
 
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Thanks for the link.

Still think it would be next to an impossible sell for FedEx Board of Directors to tell shareholders that they are spending $10m year in sponsorship money for the purpose of getting a second tier state university from Tennessee into a better Athletic Conference.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
 
If the Big 12 tabs us and Cincinnati (if BYU plays hardball), what would be the domino effect (s) on the G5?

Personally, I actually think the American could be severely damaged by us and Cincinnati leaving, so much so brand-wise that the MW could come calling to get into Texas and steal Houston and SMU, and this could result in Navy going back to being independent because the big draw for them in the American was recruiting in Texas (hence why they're in the Western division). That would leave the American with 7.

The conference would then have to expand to 12 or 14 (probably the latter to match the MW). So who would they go with? If seven, I would think Rice, Marshall, Ohio, Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech, Western Kentucky, and Northern Illinois.

That would leave the MAC with 10, C-USA with 9, and the Sun Belt with 10 (as rumors are they won't renew Idaho or New Mexico St.).

C-USA probably still has the most sway here so they would likely add five schools: Appalachian St., Louisiana Lafayette, South Alabama, Georgia Southern, and Coastal Carolina.

At this point, the AAC, MW, and C-USA all have 14, the MAC has 10, and the Sun Belt would only have 5 members (therefore not making it a conference anymore). I could see the Sun Belt folding, but what would happen to their schools? Would they drop down to FCS? What about UMass?

Finally, this plan would be good for the G4s as the money would be split 4 ways instead of 5.
 
Btw, I love this perpetual rumor of FedEx giving $50M to a conference to take Memphis.

It's been around since the Big East days. How that ever was passed off as having any semblance of truth is actually remarkable.
Yeah, they could prop up the Memphis AD, for quite a while. In the BE days, I thought the number was 100 million.
 
If 50 MM from Fed Ex could get Memphis in the Big 12 it would have been done a long time ago.

If you young guys think the board would be involved in such a small decision you need to come back in a few years and reassess. That is absolutely nothing at a corp that size. Half a**ed IT projects can cost that much.
 
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If you are talking Bevo or the Sooners paying a visit, I'd hold out for MetLife...

Nope, that game goes in East Hartford. You have to throw the state a bone for paying for the expansion.
 
Great idea. Let's get the state involved and demand Texas play us in East Hartford or we walk away, a la Notre Dame. Because that worked out so well.
It's too bad we could never get any elite schools to come to the Rent. I once had a dream that Michigan played at the Rent. It was really cool, Jesus Shuttlesworth even made an appearance.
 
It's too bad we could never get any elite schools to come to the Rent. I once had a dream that Michigan played at the Rent. It was really cool, Jesus Shuttlesworth even made an appearance.

That was an aberration. UConn needs to sell its soul. If Texas and Oklahoma say your first two home games are in Austin and Norman, you smile and say sure
 
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That was an aberration. UConn needs to sell its soul. If Texas and Oklahoma say your first two home games are in Austin and Norman, you smile and say sure
No doubt. Or at least have 1-2 "home games" a year at Yankee Stadium or Gillete or something like that.
 
That was an aberration. UConn needs to sell its soul. If Texas and Oklahoma say your first two home games are in Austin and Norman, you smile and say sure

So just so I understand, if we somehow get into the Big 12, UConn should commit to playing one home game a season - sometimes possibly two - against Oklahoma and Texas in NYC or Mass?

Give up all the revenue of a sellout at the Rent once or twice a year and give the school only 4-5 true home games a season?

This isn't a one-off neutral site game we are hypothetically talking about it's a conference match up. It would be a long term disaster to agree to this.
 
So just so I understand, if we somehow get into the Big 12, UConn should commit to playing one home game a season - sometimes possibly two - against Oklahoma and Texas in NYC or Mass?

Give up all the revenue of a sellout at the Rent once or twice a year and give the school only 4-5 true home games a season?

This isn't a one-off neutral site game we are hypothetically talking about it's a conference match up. It would be a long term disaster to agree to this.
If we play one game a year at MetLife in seasons when we would otherwise have 7 home games, it would be a plus as we would increase our presence in NYC.
 
The only reason we get into the B12 is for the new markets we provide.
So bringing UConn to Austin or Norman is defeating that objective.
You alternate Oklahoma and Texas playing on the new expanded stage.
They will be fighting to see who goes first.
Most Likely NYC, with Two other teams alternating on a Boston game
The B12 just doubled its viewing audience.
Let's not pretend our best asset isn't market access.

How else does the B12 become a national conference?
We actually have more to offer that conference than we will get in return.
I'am still holding out for the B1G for a huge amount of reasons.
 
Conference games should be played in conference stadiums, but if the condition was for UConn to play 1 or 2 games a year in NYC for B12 membership next year, then I guess that I'm packing up my SUV and driving to New York once or twice every fall. We have absolutely zero negotiating power to join a P5 conference. They tell us to jump, we ask how high. That's how this works.
 
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It's too bad we could never get any elite schools to come to the Rent. I once had a dream that Michigan played at the Rent. It was really cool, Jesus Shuttlesworth even made an appearance.

Yeah, and Michigan did everything they possibly could to get out of it. Let me know when they're coming back. Point is, we are in no position to dictate a G-D thing. The Big12 isn't stupid and will make a fair and equitable offer to whomever they decide to add but there may be some requirements attached to it. Let the idiots in the state house get involved and I guarantee the Big12 moves on in a hurry.
 
Conference games should be played in conference stadiums, but if the condition was for UConn to play 1 or 2 games a year in NYC for B12 membership next year, then I guess that I'm packing up my SUV and driving to New York once or twice every fall. We have absolutely zero negotiating power to join a P5 conference. They tell us to jump, we ask how high. That's how this works.

Of course I was being sarcastic about playing home games on the road. The New York and possibly Boston markets would be key to this expansion. Yes, that might mean agreeing to one game per year in New York/Foxboro. Our hoops team used to play big games only on the road. As we grew they were in Hartford. Now Texas, Florida and Ohio State have played in Storrs.

You swallow your pride by starting out playing Texas/Olahoma in Jersey. As your program grows, they will come to East Hartford. But UConn and the state will still want exposure in that prime television / recruiting market
 
Why would we play Texas or Oklahoma in New Jersey?

People from Texas and Oklahoma are not predisposed to traveling to New Jersey in any great numbers and there's no massive native population of graduates in that area waiting. I think they'd be perplexed by the offer; ditto for the stadium operators.

They're not the Big Ten or Notre Dame - play them in East Hartford.
 
Conference games should be played in conference stadiums, but if the condition was for UConn to play 1 or 2 games a year in NYC for B12 membership next year, then I guess that I'm packing up my SUV and driving to New York once or twice every fall. We have absolutely zero negotiating power to join a P5 conference. They tell us to jump, we ask how high. That's how this works.

Essentially, the Big XII is the sugar daddy, and UConn is the hot college chick neck-deep in student loans who's more than open to the proposition of being possessed for the sake of a meal ticket.

Welp, it is what it is...
 
You guys want to kiss Texas' and Oklahoma's rear ends when all they can add right now is Cincinnati and UCF? We have leverage here.
 
Why would we play Texas or Oklahoma in New Jersey?

People from Texas and Oklahoma are not predisposed to traveling to New Jersey in any great numbers and there's no massive native population of graduates in that area waiting. I think they'd be perplexed by the offer; ditto for the stadium operators.

They're not the Big Ten or Notre Dame - play them in East Hartford.

Who doesn't want a good excuse to go to NYC? If it takes dangling a trip to NYC while we build out our stadium to get them to agree to take us then make the offer. I doubt very much they would require us to play there all the time but our attraction to Texas and Oklahoma is our northeast markets and building their brands in NYC makes sense. Use whatever it takes to get the deal done. No doubt we would play them in East Hartford eventually. Just don't make any demands or let any CT politicians get involved in the discussions.
 
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