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I wouldn’t give up the PAC name even if you had to pay off departing members. It will pay dividends in the future . If you have the name you have claim to the history and it’s has triple the brand value of the MW .
OSU/WSU have a right to as original and only continued members
You would have thought UConn‘s fans would understand that as the AAC struggled to maintain its real history when an entirely new Conference assumed it .
 
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JeepCSC said:
I think they want the tourney credits and the PAC network infrastructure.
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Isn’t there also a huge payment owed as well? I recall an article that SMU was being considered for PAC only because they could pay that bill. I believe it was comcast. Significant $’s too. Maybe $50-60M
 
Rufus said:

Fox helped pave the way for the Big Ten to add Oregon and Washington, thus bulldozing the Pac-12

amp.awfulannouncing.com amp.awfulannouncing.com
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sports.yahoo.com

Inside Oregon and Washington's jump to the Big Ten — 'It was both of us or none of us'

The Ducks and Huskies will meet for the last time as Pac-12 members on Saturday. How they ultimately ditched the Pac-12 for the Big Ten is a winding story of flip-flopping and finger-pointing.
sports.yahoo.com sports.yahoo.com

-> In truth, there is plenty of blame to go around, says Pat Chun, the Washington State athletics director.

“It’s our own fault we got ourselves to this place,” Chun said. “It’s a byproduct of how dysfunctional the Pac-12 had been for over a decade.”<-
 
magazine.wsu.edu

From the president

WSU President Kirk Schulz addresses the rapidly changing landscape of Cougar athletics and the conference.
magazine.wsu.edu magazine.wsu.edu

-> We already know a few things. We are not going to spend the same amount of money on athletics that we have for the last decade. We will still be competitive, but it’ll be different than when we had the smallest athletic budget in a Power Five conference. <-
 
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huskymedic said:
magazine.wsu.edu

From the president

WSU President Kirk Schulz addresses the rapidly changing landscape of Cougar athletics and the conference.
magazine.wsu.edu magazine.wsu.edu

-> We already know a few things. We are not going to spend the same amount of money on athletics that we have for the last decade. We will still be competitive, but it’ll be different than when we had the smallest athletic budget in a Power Five conference. <-
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Does that sound like a downgrade is coming ?
Possibly joining the MW ?
 
billybud said:
Now...this is interesting in that article....

— They could attempt to preserve the Pac-12 brand and retain the assets. In that scenario, the 12 Mountain West schools could vote to dissolve their league, thereby eliminating departure penalties, and join the Pac-12 en masse.

“No brand in the Group of Five has the value of the Pac-12 brand,’’ the industry source said. “If you have the brand, you own the history.”
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I’ve been saying that all along . A merger where MW schools joining the PAC is worth more than the OSU and WSU becoming MW members . You own 100 years of history .of a great conference . You possibly could even get Cal and Stamford back in the future .
Getting the Big East name saved the C7 . Branding has value because of that leagues history .
 
huskymedic said:
magazine.wsu.edu

From the president

WSU President Kirk Schulz addresses the rapidly changing landscape of Cougar athletics and the conference.
magazine.wsu.edu magazine.wsu.edu

-> We already know a few things. We are not going to spend the same amount of money on athletics that we have for the last decade. We will still be competitive, but it’ll be different than when we had the smallest athletic budget in a Power Five conference. <-
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Reading between the lines: we'll spend somewhere between Gx and Py teams. Seems reasonable.
 
huskymedic said:
magazine.wsu.edu

From the president

WSU President Kirk Schulz addresses the rapidly changing landscape of Cougar athletics and the conference.
magazine.wsu.edu magazine.wsu.edu

-> We already know a few things. We are not going to spend the same amount of money on athletics that we have for the last decade. We will still be competitive, but it’ll be different than when we had the smallest athletic budget in a Power Five conference. <-
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Wow waving the white flag.

I would’ve merged with the mtn, called it the pac, and tried to maintain status as a p5. Then after a few years pull back on spending.

But he basically conceding G5 status already.
 
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If I were Washington State and Oregon State, here is what I would do......

1. Either through court or an outside settlement with the departing PAC-12 schools, obtain the rights to the PAC-12 funds that are remaining after the current 2023-2024 revenues are distributed to all 12 schools. If that is not possible due to litigation from the 10 departing schools, then obtain as much of that revenue as possible in a settlement.

2. Approach the ACC and offer them the same deal SMU offered them. No revenue from the conference for 8 years (I think it was 8 years?) and live off the revenues received from the dissolution of the PAC-12 conference over the course of those 8 years. If the ACC says no, make the same offer to the Big 12.

3. If neither the ACC or Big 12 accept the offer, merge with the Mountain West under the PAC-12 banner. However, keep all previous PAC-12 assets to themselves. Essentially, the new PAC-12 is carrying over all Mountain West assets under the name PAC-12. Oregon State and Washington State could live off of the PAC-12 funds for a while and then see how conference realignment shakes out going forward. Worst case scenario, the funding from the PAC-12 could help with a gradual shift over to receiving G5 money rather than a cutthroat shift from one year to the next.
 
Rufus said:
If I were Washington State and Oregon State, here is what I would do......

1. Either through court or an outside settlement with the departing PAC-12 schools, obtain the rights to the PAC-12 funds that are remaining after the current 2023-2024 revenues are distributed to all 12 schools. If that is not possible due to litigation from the 10 departing schools, then obtain as much of that revenue as possible in a settlement.

2. Approach the ACC and offer them the same deal SMU offered them. No revenue from the conference for 8 years (I think it was 8 years?) and live off the revenues received from the dissolution of the PAC-12 conference over the course of those 8 years. If the ACC says no, make the same offer to the Big 12.

3. If neither the ACC or Big 12 accept the offer, merge with the Mountain West under the PAC-12 banner. However, keep all previous PAC-12 assets to themselves. Essentially, the new PAC-12 is carrying over all Mountain West assets under the name PAC-12. Oregon State and Washington State could live off of the PAC-12 funds for a while and then see how conference realignment shakes out going forward. Worst case scenario, the funding from the PAC-12 could help with a gradual shift over to receiving G5 money rather than a cutthroat shift from one year to the next.
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I think the Big 12 makes the most sense.

For option 3, one conference has to fold and those folks all get sheet-canned. I'd think the MW has the leverage and the PAC 12 officers would need to willingly resign.
 
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CL82 said:
It seems like this should create scheduling opportunities for us in the near term.

I wonder if a football only membership would make sense? Probably not, since the new conference with affectively be a inconveniently located G5 conference, but it's interesting to think about.
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Worth kicking the tires on.
 
billybud said:
Now...this is interesting in that article....

— They could attempt to preserve the Pac-12 brand and retain the assets. In that scenario, the 12 Mountain West schools could vote to dissolve their league, thereby eliminating departure penalties, and join the Pac-12 en masse.

“No brand in the Group of Five has the value of the Pac-12 brand,’’ the industry source said. “If you have the brand, you own the history.”
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i posted that two months ago
There is immense value in the name . The Current Big East can attribute some of it credibility to getting the brand for a basketball conference . It had less worth as a football conference .
That name alone doubles the worth of the MW .
 
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