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nelsonmuntz said:
Based on the section above, I think PJ is right. It looks like the Pac 12 schools breached their own Bylaws when they left. WSU and OSU appear to be asserting that the other members gave notice of withdrawal in violation of the bylaws. The other schools having signed with another conference is a pretty good fact pattern for WSU and OSU. Unless there is something else to work with, they are probably getting their injunction, although their rights will be limited as the only two surviving members until the litigation is settled. The assets within the Pac 12, including the 23-24 media rights, NCAA units, and whatever cash was left in the bank (I saw one estimate of $20 million) appears to be on their way to Oregon State and Washington State, eventually.

There has to be more to this story. I have no doubt that several of the schools are run by idiots, but I can't see Stanford and Cal making a mistake this big. Getting cute with the withdrawal provisions was a really stupid move if that is what happened. They should have voted as a group to amend them before they went their separate ways.

If the schools are literally leaving like $250 to $300 million in total for Oregon State and Washington State, then turning down the Apple deal will turn into one of the stupidest decisions in the history of college sports.
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The 250 to 300 million is a false number based on internet info passsed on and passed on.
 
JeepCSC said:
I think one of the wrinkles is the exiting schools have no commitments to the PAC after July of next year. If they did nothing for 10 months, does the league die of its own accord? Is this OSU/WSU forcing the courts to keep the league on life support and the others asking the courts to pull the plug now rather than waiting for natural causes?
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I haven't looked at this in any detail whatsoever but isn't it only the GOR that terminates in 10 months? But, assuming you're correct, if I OSU and WSU are the only two institutions remaining, then we can all the assets just be split between the two of them?

I don't think this is a case of OSU and WSU trying to impose their wheel on anyone else, so much as not wanting to have the will of those who are leaving the conference imposed on them.
 
CL82 said:
I haven't looked at this in any detail whatsoever but isn't it only the GOR that terminates in 10 months? But, assuming you're correct, if I OSU and WSU are the only two institutions remaining, then we can all the assets just be split between the two of them?

I don't think this is a case of OSU and WSU trying to impose their wheel on anyone else, so much as not wanting to have the will of those who are leaving the conference imposed on them.
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I don’t know. But no media contract and no GOR and no exit fees, I’m not really sure what would make it a conference in any meaningful way. This whole thing is just kinda bonkers. They should teach classes on how not to run a conference based on this mess in the future.
 
Kliavkoff was an absolute disaster.
 
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huskymedic said:
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That is why I threw out the $250 to $300 million number. I can't imagine the departing schools were so stupid as to put themselves in the position of losing their share of the revenue from media rights for this year, which is why I am assuming there is another document somewhere that says the schools can keep their share of the media revenue. I also believe that UCLA and USC were going to keep their media rights, which would support the theory that the schools keep the revenues from the media rights for this year.

That said, the Bylaws say that the conference retains the media rights if the schools delivered a notice in violation of the Bylaws, which the departing schools all clearly did. Is there another document that supercedes the Bylaws? I don't know.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
That is why I threw out the $250 to $300 million number. I can't imagine the departing schools were so stupid as to put themselves in the position of losing their share of the revenue from media rights for this year, which is why I am assuming there is another document somewhere that says the schools can keep their share of the media revenue. I also believe that UCLA and USC were going to keep their media rights, which would support the theory that the schools keep the revenues from the media rights for this year.

That said, the Bylaws say that the conference retains the media rights if the schools delivered a notice in violation of the Bylaws, which the departing schools all clearly did. Is there another document that supercedes the Bylaws? I don't know.
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The paragraph above just says the league retains the media rights after a notice of withdrawal until the end of the GOR period (i.e. the games remain under the PAC-12 contract). It doesn’t say anything about distribution of revenue, I’d imagine that somewhere else it says all members get a share, where withdrawing teams are still members (albeit without voting rights) until the effective date of their withdrawal (I.e. when they actually leave the league and enter another). That would get them this year’s media rights but they would sacrifice any deferred payments like tournament credits. Properly written in the by-laws that should be dispositive, but I wonder if there’s some ambiguity that makes the withdrawing schools worry that OSU and WSU, if they hold all the voting rights, might be able to make changes.
 
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JeepCSC said:
I don’t know. But no media contract and no GOR and no exit fees, I’m not really sure what would make it a conference in any meaningful way. This whole thing is just kinda bonkers. They should teach classes on how not to run a conference based on this mess in the future.
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There were conferences long before there were GOR's. I don't think the SEC has exit fees does that mean it's not a conference? So the answer, I think, is that there is a conference end Washington state and Oregon state are the only two voting members right now.

I could not agree more that the last year has been a train wreck for Pac 12 and is absolutely a case study on how not to run a football conference.
 
SEC now has an exit fee and a GOR. But more to the point, they have a media contract. If you don’t have all 3, you basically just have a scheduling alliance and conference tournament. That and a handshake might have been enough in 1980, but.
 
IMO, I see this as a fight with Cal/Stanford vs OSU/WSU. The other schools will support Stanford/Cal, but they dont care. They all found a good landing spot and have good cash coming in.
Stanford/Cal got screwed went to the ACC on a discount plus travel, and should have never went to the ACC. Both schools should have swallowed their academic pride and asked the MWC to merge. Then wait out the 5 years, were BIG or B12 would ask them to join.
 
I don’t see how Cal/Stanford are any more involved than the other schools. It’s a matter of who has voting rights and who doesn’t.
 
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noeynox said:
Kliavkoff was an absolute disaster.
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But he may have been an improvement over Larry Scott.

This didn’t happen overnight. This organization has been choking itself to death for a decade.
 
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visitingcock said:
But he may have been an improvement over Larry Scott.

This didn’t happen overnight. This organization has been choking itself to death for a decade. but a good leader would have convince them that the 30 million dollar offer from ESPN was a good offer and warned them of what could happen
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100 percent, but a good leader would have convinced them that the 30 million dollar a year offer from ESPN was a good offer if they wanted to stay together and that most likely they would get picked apart if they didn't take it. Instead he went out to get more and came back with a lower, although still decent, deal from apple.
 

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I only saw one reference to an argument by the departing schools that the withdrawal notice provisions are unclear. Is this the basis for the departing schools' justification of their actions? They didn't pull out another agreement or Board Resolutions to justify their insane plan to continue to serve as Directors of an organization they are leaving?
 
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Well, this restraining order is at least one (temporary) middle finger from OSU & WSU to the backstabbers.
 
I don't feel bad for any other team other than UConn in CR. I did at one point, cincy, Memphis, temple and cincy landed on their feet they're fine. Stopped feeling bad for Memphis or temple after that.

Does it suck what happened to wsu and osu? Sure, but I don't feel bad for them. I'm sure they'll find a way to land on their feet. Just gotta focus on UConn.
 
Travelman32 said:
I don't feel bad for any other team other than UConn in CR. I did at one point, cincy, Memphis, temple and cincy landed on their feet they're fine. Stopped feeling bad for Memphis or temple after that.

Does it suck what happened to wsu and osu? Sure, but I don't feel bad for them. I'm sure they'll find a way to land on their feet. Just gotta focus on UConn.
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It looks like they're going to have a pretty decent stack of cash to be able to supplement their operations at least in the near term.
 
I think Washington State and Oregon State should have the rights to the PAC-12 assets, but I don't think the name PAC-12 should live on. Because it's not the PAC-12, even if they call it that. But those two schools definitely deserve whatever the final assets are to the conference.
 
Rufus said:
I think Washington State and Oregon State should have the rights to the PAC-12 assets, but I don't think the name PAC-12 should live on. Because it's not the PAC-12, even if they call it that. But those two schools definitely deserve whatever the final assets are to the conference.
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By that logic no conference should retain their name. Rutgers, Maryland, Washington, Oregon, USC and UCLA, Nebraska, don't exactly make people think Big10.
 
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Travelman32 said:
I don't feel bad for any other team other than UConn in CR. I did at one point, cincy, Memphis, temple and cincy landed on their feet they're fine. Stopped feeling bad for Memphis or temple after that.

Does it suck what happened to wsu and osu? Sure, but I don't feel bad for them. I'm sure they'll find a way to land on their feet. Just gotta focus on UConn.
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They have the Mountain West Conference but they feel they are worth more than to stoop to the level of the MWC.
 
noeynox said:
By that logic no conference should retain their name. Rutgers, Maryland, Washington, Oregon, USC and UCLA, Nebraska, don't exactly make people think Big10.
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But every school that ever was a member is still there (minus U. of Chicago), so it's logical to call it the B1G. Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, etc. are all the legacy schools you think of when you think B1G. Oregon State and Washington State would be the only legacy schools left in the PAC, and they certainly aren't the first names you think of when you think of the PAC.
 
PAC name (might) live on, but apparently none of the employees of the conference plan to stick around........

tucson.com

Pac-12 approves staff retention plan to stave off possible mass exodus

The Pac-12 presidents approved an employee retention-and-severance plan Tuesday, aimed at ensuring the conference remains staffed to the level necessary to produce roughly 1,000 live events and meet other contractual obligations this school year.
tucson.com tucson.com
 
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