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cardfan said:
He was living a lie to his fans and corporate sponsors pretending he was something he was clearly not. His petulant behavior on the golf course makes it even easier not to like him. Karma is a bitch, Tiger.
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WOW!

As Michael Corleone famoulsy stated in Godfather 2, "We are all a part of the same hypocrisy."
 
You hate Tiger because he falsely represented himself to a corporation.

I can't wait for Tiger to be back.
 
VAUConnFan said:
WOW!

As Michael Corleone famoulsy stated in Godfather 2, "We are all a part of the same hypocrisy."
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I'm not speaking from my perspective, but rather the sponsors. I don't care what Tiger sells or not. They don't want to be associated with someone who cheats on their wife, and I bet their market research showed it. I understand the hypocrisy and irony, that that the corporations lie about their products and I'm sure Sr. members of their co. and Board of Directors, have more skeletons than Tiger.
 
I think the reaction to Tiger will be very gender oriented. Most men probably don't care about his fidelity, or lack there of, and most women will find his personal behavior more important when it comes to endorsements.

Just my guess, but what do I know.
 
I considerate Tiger one of the best clutch performers in any sport. I enjoy watching great athletes perform great under pressure. What they do when they leave for the day doesn't concern me.
 
cardfan said:
Yeah, never been a fan of his either. Jordan, Tiger, and (Barkley) were all buds. Jordan did't get caught or was exposed for the many sins as Tiger. I'm not holier than though or naive enough to think most male athletes have many women on the side. I've just never been a fan of Tiger's, on or off the golf course.
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just say that then... stop using who he banged to further your dislike
 
cardfan said:
who he "banged" and then lied about it, ADDED to my dislike of him.
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added... geesh, you only disliked him a "little bit" before his sexcapades were exposed?

ok I understand
 
Alydar said:
I considerate Tiger one of the best clutch performers in any sport. I enjoy watching great athletes perform great under pressure. What they do when they leave for the day doesn't concern me.
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But what about his performance when playing Team Golf for his country? Last time I checked, he was pretty mediocre, not clutch at all.. And for me that means a lot, and it's one of the reasons I dislike him so much.
 
cardfan said:
those are your words, not mine.
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what are yours... since you want to play word games.

if you dont care (dislike, or whatever YOUR words are) for Tiger why even comment in this thread. This was a "feel good" thread about what he did on SUNDAY not what he did over the past 5yrs.

go ahead, you have the last word (yours)
 
There was no indication that this was a feel good thread. It started with !!!!???? nothing indicating a feel good thread in that.

Tiger's behavior was inexcusable once it was clear he was nothing more than a common philanderer. There is no need for anyone to celebrate him for that and, yes, it does affect his marketability. I know that I for one have gone out of my way to avoid products he is affiliated. I was a huge Tiger fan, no more because he is not the type of example our kids need as a husband/spouse. Clearly, great athletic gifts do not directly make for great moral character but no one is obligated to support those who make neither the effort to live with character or battle to regain it when they have fallen.

Before the usual disclaimers of athletes as roles models begin please remember that Tiger made every effort to market himself as an example and role model. His father even stated Tiger's impact would someday extend far beyond golf. It is that marketability that was tainted in the scandal.
 
Whether anyone likes it or not Tiger is great for the game of Golf. I suspect there was a 50% difference in the TV Ratings since Tiger was in contention and eventually won the Memorial. As Tiger goes, so does Golf. Tiger brings in the average sports fan that normally could care less about watching Golf.

If Tiger is back, the Corporate Sponsors will also come back begging him to endorse their products. Won't be as many or for the same amount of dollars but they will want Tiger. He has a chance to repair his image, not to everyone, but enough that the sponsors will recognize the value he brings.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Whether anyone likes it or not Tiger is great for the game of Golf. I suspect there was a 50% difference in the TV Ratings since Tiger was in contention and eventually won the Memorial. As Tiger goes, so does Golf. Tiger brings in the average sports fan that normally could care less about watching Golf.

If Tiger is back, the Corporate Sponsors will also come back begging him to endorse their products. Won't be as many or for the same amount of dollars but they will want Tiger. He has a chance to repair his image, not to everyone, but enough that the sponsors will recognize the value he brings.
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Nice post.
 
speedoo said:
But what about his performance when playing Team Golf for his country? Last time I checked, he was pretty mediocre, not clutch at all.. And for me that means a lot, and it's one of the reasons I dislike him so much.
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The US fields a team every two years to play against Europe or Australia.

So you are saying that you really, really dislike Tiger because he has been, in your opinion since you provide no data in support of your assertions, a "pretty mediocre" team performer.

You seem to ignore the fact that "pretty mediocre" for tiger is still better than most of the players on the US team.

You also seem willing to ignore the fact that when Tiger plays people will come out to watch him play. (Almost always in very, very large numbers.)

Oh, did I forget to mention Tiger's impact of tv viewership?

Peace,

John Fryer
 
John Fryer said:
The US fields a team every two years to play against Europe or Australia.

So you are saying that you really, really dislike Tiger because he has been, in your opinion since you provide no data in support of your assertions, a "pretty mediocre" team performer.

You seem to ignore the fact that "pretty mediocre" for tiger is still better than most of the players on the US team.

You also seem willing to ignore the fact that when Tiger plays people will come out to watch him play. (Almost always in very, very large numbers.)

Oh, did I forget to mention Tiger's impact of tv viewership?

Peace,

John Fryer
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You seem to be in awe of Tiger. It's nice that you are happy with him, but it does not change my opinion of him at all..

Right, I provided no data to support my "assertion". That's why I said "last time I checked". Maybe you ignored those words. In any case, it should be pretty clear that I don't care to watch him play. I did watch him fail to be a clutch player for his country enough times in the past to form my opinion. You don't like my opinion?. Enlighten me with some data, and maybe I will change it.. But I doubt you can come up with anything to show that he is anything more than a mediocre player when it comes to performing for his country. You don't like mediocre? Fine, change the word to average.

And "still better than most of the players on his team", huh? You have any data to back up that assertion? Still, "better than most" is a pretty low bar for someone who is supposed to be the best golfer in the world, according to some.. He's supposed to be the best golfer in the world, so I would expect him to be the best in playing for his country. But he does not measure up to that, and that matters to me, matters a lot.

I don't care about the rest of your post because it does not relate to what I was talking about, which is whether or not he is a "clutch" player when it comes to playing for his country.
 
Icebear said:
There was no indication that this was a feel good thread. It started with !!!!???? nothing indicating a feel good thread in that.

Tiger's behavior was inexcusable once it was clear he was nothing more than a common philanderer. There is no need for anyone to celebrate him for that and, yes, it does affect his marketability. I know that I for one have gone out of my way to avoid products he is affiliated. I was a huge Tiger fan, no more because he is not the type of example our kids need as a husband/spouse. Clearly, great athletic gifts do not directly make for great moral character but no one is obligated to support those who make neither the effort to live with character or battle to regain it when they have fallen.

Before the usual disclaimers of athletes as roles models begin please remember that Tiger made every effort to market himself as an example and role model. His father even stated Tiger's impact would someday extend far beyond golf. It is that marketability that was tainted in the scandal.
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the timing of this thread had all indications that it was about what Tiger was doing yesterday... this wasn't started to talk about his failed marriage, another woman that came forward or a sponsor that dropped him.

Come on Ice you're smarter than that.
 
speedoo said:
But what about his performance when playing Team Golf for his country? Last time I checked, he was pretty mediocre, not clutch at all.. And for me that means a lot, and it's one of the reasons I dislike him so much.
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Are you suggesting he plays mediocre golf on purpose? If not then you must really hate every other player because they all play much worse than Tiger overall. For all the mediocre golf Mickelson has played in his career he must be positively despised. Dropping out of a tournament because he is "mentally tired" must really get your goat. I remember Curtis Strange choking horribly in the Ryder Cup. Is he also to be hated ?
 
Alydar said:
Are you suggesting he plays mediocre golf on purpose? If not then you must really hate every other player because they all play much worse than Tiger overall. For all the mediocre golf Mickelson has played in his career he must be positively despised. Dropping out of a tournament because he is "mentally tired" must really get your goat. I remember Curtis Strange choking horribly in the Ryder Cup. Is he also to be hated ?
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I am suggesting that he is not a "clutch" player (your word) when he plays for his country. If you want to provide any data to dispute that, I am all ears. But I believe it is fairly well established that Tiger's performance in playing for his country is nowhere close to his performance in playing for himself, on the tour. Why that is, I have no idea, but it is certainly something that contributes to my very negative opinion of him.

It's interesting that you are trying to defend him by pointing out the failures of Strange and Mickelson, yet you do not cite truly clutch performances by any number of European golfers as they regularly defeat USA Ryder Cup teams.
 
DaddyChoc said:
the timing of this thread had all indications that it was about what Tiger was doing yesterday... this wasn't started to talk about his failed marriage, another woman that came forward or a sponsor that dropped him.

Come on Ice you're smarter than that.
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It might not have been about his failed marriage but there was no indiction it was meant to be a love fest. You are smarter than that. !!!!???? As far as I can tell that may be the equivalent of WTF.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Whether anyone likes it or not Tiger is great for the game of Golf. I suspect there was a 50% difference in the TV Ratings since Tiger was in contention and eventually won the Memorial. As Tiger goes, so does Golf. Tiger brings in the average sports fan that normally could care less about watching Golf.

If Tiger is back, the Corporate Sponsors will also come back begging him to endorse their products. Won't be as many or for the same amount of dollars but they will want Tiger. He has a chance to repair his image, not to everyone, but enough that the sponsors will recognize the value he brings.
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tiger woods is great for tv golf, not for the game of golf. his on-the-course attitude has shown a lack of respect for the game, the traditions of the game, and the fans.
 
speedoo said:
I am suggesting that he is not a "clutch" player (your word) when he plays for his country. If you want to provide any data to dispute that, I am all ears. But I believe it is fairly well established that Tiger's performance in playing for his country is nowhere close to his performance in playing for himself, on the tour. Why that is, I have no idea, but it is certainly something that contributes to my very negative opinion of him.

It's interesting that you are trying to defend him by pointing out the failures of Strange and Mickelson, yet you do not cite truly clutch performances by any number of European golfers as they regularly defeat USA Ryder Cup teams.
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Tiger doesn't need defending. His record in Ryder Cup singles matches, the only ones that measure his performance and his alone, is 4 wins, one loss and one tie. Now it's time for you to back up your claim that he plays mediocre golf in these matches. So far you have nothing to back up your statement. What numbers are you basing your claim on? And leave best ball and 4 ball matches out of it.
 
boontonbomber said:
tiger woods is great for tv golf, not for the game of golf. his on-the-course attitude has shown a lack of respect for the game, the traditions of the game, and the fans.
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I saw Phil toss a club on Friday and the announcers had nothing to say. Why is it that only Tiger is put under the microscope? I've watched many supposedly "well mannered" pros lose their tempers, yell at the crowd, swear at the top of their lungs, and toss clubs. I'm talking Lee Trevino, Davis Love, Gary McCord and Greg Norman. Tiger's popularity means that every shot he takes is recorded and critiqued. Arnie was one of the worst hot-heads on tour. Ben crenshaw chain-smoked his entire career but TV never talked about the negative example he set for children in doing so. Stop making a separate standard of behavior for Tiger. He has been a gentleman on the course since he got there. Try going to the GHO and watch the young prima donnas for a few holes when their aren't playing their best. You will have your eyes opened.
 
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