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Baseball is boring and unwritten rules are the dumbest thing I know. Used to love it as a kid but I can't watch for more than 20 minutes now.
 
August_West said:
I was already depressed about baseball ever since I read this nytimes article a few days ago:

(I agree with a ton of it, but I dont agree with the gov't stepping in, lol)

It's depressing. And then when the current game treated a potential perfect game with disdain today, I flipped.

Opinion | Baseball Is Dying. The Government Should Take It Over.

"Attendance at games has declined steadily since 2008 and viewership figures are almost hilariously bleak. An ordinary national prime-time M.L.B. broadcast, such as ESPN’s 'Sunday Night Baseball,' attracts some 1.5 million pairs of eyes each week, which is to say, roughly the number that are likely to be watching a heavily censored version of 'Goodfellas' on a basic cable movie channel in the same time slot".

"Even the World Series attracts smaller audiences than the average 'Thursday Night Football' broadcast, the dregs of the National Football League’s weekly schedule. In 1975, the World Series had an average of 36 million viewers per game; in 2021, it barely attracted 12 million per game"

"the game is increasingly irrelevant. The average age of a person watching a baseball game on television is 57, and one shudders to think what the comparable figure is for radio broadcasts. Typical American 10-year-olds are as likely to recognize Jorge Soler, who was named the most valuable player of last year’s World Series, as they are their local congressional representative"

"In some parts of the country, participation in Little League has decreased by nearly 50 percent in the past decade and a half."



Baseball was an obsession for me as a kid. It's just sad.
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I still like going to games but that's because I like sitting in the sun drinking beer and people watching. The game isn't interesting at all. And it's getting harder to justify going to many games with the ticket prices.
 
Nothing wrong with limiting his pitch count because he missed two months last year due to elbow soreness and missed the postseason due to the same issue. He also didn't get fully stretched out during spring.

That said, he should have been allowed to go batter to batter instead of just not letting him start the 8th.

Edit: also Kershaw was consulted about it and was all smiles in the dugout in the 7th.

 
Consistent with all the questioning of Hurley decisions, nobody here has a clue why Roberts pulled the guy. But I agree that analytics are way over done not to mention over shifts and batters unwillingness or inability to hit away from the shift.
 
In a word where fast results and lack of commitment exist, baseball is a tough sell to kids.

It’s probably the hardest sport to play really well and excel at. It requires a ton of concentration and ability - most kids fail once and quit.
 
I at least have some hope (after chatting with a few minor league coaches) that MLB is at least considering getting rid of the shift in the future

That will at least get that part of the game back to somewhat normalcy

The extra inning runner is dumb.

Miss watching hitter like Tony Gwynn, ichiro, Sean Casey, Frank Thomas, Jeter use the whole field to hit
 
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Kershaw missed most of last season with an elbow injury. Added to his persistent back troubles this was an EXTREMELY prudent course of action, in the name of the remainder of the season. He's 34 years old with over 2200 innings in his arm. This isn't 2017 anymore.

The Dodgers cannot afford to lose another starting pitcher, after Bauer (yuck) and Scherzer departed.
 
cohenzone said:
Consistent with all the questioning of Hurley decisions, nobody here has a clue why Roberts pulled the guy. But I agree that analytics are way over done not to mention over shifts and batters unwillingness or inability to hit away from the shift.
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The problem with analytics (and the shift is a freakin perfect implementation / case study of this) is that they go searching for problems without any regard for the ramifications of their solutions.

I mean, yeah, put an extra guy in shallow RF between the second baseman and the first baseman. Because in the aggregate, people choose to pay high ticket prices to watch that well-positioned SS gun Bryce Harper down at first than they do Harper hit a line drive that might turn into extra bases.

I'll echo what a few here have already said: baseball used to be my absolute passion. The three true outcomes sport the game has devolved into is just a sad state of affairs. To the folks who say the money is still there? Nonsense. It'd be here in spades if the game were more interesting to watch.
 
If it wasnt for any baseball you streamers I wouldnt watch any games. Good Yankee content is Jomboy and NYY News.
 
EnochRoot said:
The problem with analytics (and the shift is a freakin perfect implementation / case study of this) is that they go searching for problems without any regard for the ramifications of their solutions.

I mean, yeah, put an extra guy in shallow RF between the second baseman and the first baseman. Because in the aggregate, people choose to pay high ticket prices to watch that well-positioned SS gun Bryce Harper down at first than they do Harper hit a line drive that might turn into extra bases.

I'll echo what a few here have already said: baseball used to be my absolute passion. The three true outcomes sport the game has devolved into is just a sad state of affairs. To the folks who say the money is still there? Nonsense. It'd be here in spades if the game were more interesting to watch.
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I think the minors, not sure if at all levels, are requiring two infielders on either side of second base and not in the outfield. Not sure if it’s meant to
be a transition to a similar rule in the majors. Most people like to see runs scored. The shift, coupled with the advent of 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th inning relief specialists who all throw 98 plus and pretty much limit big comebacks. have taken the fun out of the game. The rule requiring relievers to face at least 3 batters is an attempt to improve scoring chances. Even then, a reliever can come in to get a last out of an inning without having to come out and face 2 more batters. I saw one no hitter in person decades ago and the reality is they are pretty boring until at least the 7th inning unless the other team is having a decent day, which they weren’t at the game I went to. I’m not against pitching duels, but within limits. Having seen The Mick hit several HR in person (I’m old) nothing like it and also saw the hardest HR live I’ve ever seen by Conseco for As vs NY hit the facing of the upper left field deck in old Yankee Stadium where upper deck left field was pretty much unreachable. I think it got out in 2 seconds.
 
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Scoe said:
I hate the shift but not for banning it, not against any strategy, move fielders any where you want to on the field, its on the hitter to adjust. I wish there was more base stealing.
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Unless you are stealing at 70%+ you are not creating a net positive and are giving away outs which is the most important thing in baseball

Analytics are a big part of that. Not sure how to combat that because it’s all about the base runner getting the pitchers timing down
 
cohenzone said:
I think the minors, not sure if at all levels, are requiring two infielders on either side of second base and not in the outfield. Not sure if it’s meant to
be a transition to a similar rule in the majors. Most people like to see runs scored. The shift, coupled with the advent of 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th inning relief specialists who all throw 98 plus and pretty much limit big comebacks. have taken the fun out of the game. The rule requiring relievers to face at least 3 batters is an attempt to improve scoring chances. Even then, a reliever can come in to get a last out of an inning without having to come out and face 2 more batters. I saw one no hitter in person decades ago and the reality is they are pretty boring until at least the 7th inning unless the other team is having a decent day, which they weren’t at the game I went to. I’m not against pitching duels, but within limits. Having seen The Mick hit several HR in person (I’m old) nothing like it and also saw the hardest HR live I’ve ever seen by Conseco for As vs NY hit the facing of the upper left field deck in old Yankee Stadium where upper deck left field was pretty much unreachable. I think it got out in 2 seconds.
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They typically experiment with rule changes in the minors before bringing to the majors
 
superjohn said:
I still like going to games but that's because I like sitting in the sun drinking beer and people watching. The game isn't interesting at all. And it's getting harder to justify going to many games with the ticket prices.
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I think your experience is not unique. I know a lot of people who go to games when free corporate seats come their way, but never on their own dime. (Personally, I haven’t paid for an MLB ticket in a bazillion years. I do buy HV Renegards tix though. That’s a great night out.)
storrsroars said:
And yet revenues keep increasing.

Otherwise I agree.
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It increases until it doesn’t.

At some point, the decrease in attendance and the decrease in ratings will bring a reckoning. Nothing is permanent.
 
Fishy said:
This.

He‘s done it four or five times already.
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Except this wasn’t a stupid decision. It was a smart one, albeit not a popular one. It’s April, it’s cold and there was a short spring training. He’s looking long-term rather one game.

I remember Johan Santana never being the same after being stretched out to get a no hitter. And I know that was a ton more pitches - but a Dodgers fan should appreciate Roberts being safe here. The short spring training as a result of the lockout, combined with Kershaws recent injury history, made this the right move.
 
methodology said:
Unless you are stealing at 70%+ you are not creating a net positive and are giving away outs which is the most important thing in baseball

Analytics are a big part of that. Not sure how to combat that because it’s all about the base runner getting the pitchers timing down
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I'm not sure how effective it would be, but limiting pickoff attempts could help. I know they tested it in the minors but not sure if the results actually showed that it does
 
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cohenzone said:
I think the minors, not sure if at all levels, are requiring two infielders on either side of second base and not in the outfield. Not sure if it’s meant to
be a transition to a similar rule in the majors. Most people like to see runs scored. The shift, coupled with the advent of 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th inning relief specialists who all throw 98 plus and pretty much limit big comebacks. have taken the fun out of the game. The rule requiring relievers to face at least 3 batters is an attempt to improve scoring chances. Even then, a reliever can come in to get a last out of an inning without having to come out and face 2 more batters. I saw one no hitter in person decades ago and the reality is they are pretty boring until at least the 7th inning unless the other team is having a decent day, which they weren’t at the game I went to. I’m not against pitching duels, but within limits. Having seen The Mick hit several HR in person (I’m old) nothing like it and also saw the hardest HR live I’ve ever seen by Conseco for As vs NY hit the facing of the upper left field deck in old Yankee Stadium where upper deck left field was pretty much unreachable. I think it got out in 2 seconds.
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They are testing this change in the minors. I heard during the Braves broadcast the other day that they are hearing the change to the shift rule in the majors will be that all the infielders need to have their feet in the dirt. No more short right/left on shifts. You can move infielders to either side of 2nd but they will not be allowed to be on the outfield grass. I guess it is a step in the right direction. While I hate the shift I think the bigger issue is the way hitting is taught now. Nobody cares if you strike out anymore because an out is an out. When I was playing it was all about putting the ball in play. Make the defense make a play. Very rarely, if ever, will you see somebody reach base on a K with an error. Put the ball in play anything can happen. Alec Bohm just made three errors in the first few innings the other day on what would typically be routine outs.
 
As for Kershaw, you hate to see it happen especially to somebody HOF bound like Kershaw, but it was the right call given his recent history and the shortened Spring Training. The Dodgers have a long road ahead of them and how terrible would it have been if he aggravated an injury this early that could sideline him for the year and possibly career.
 
Boone and Cashman already tired out the bullpen no one close to 5 innings. Took Cortes out shutting out the Jays with 60 pitches in 4 1/3. Baseball is ridiculous and Roberts is an absolute dope taking that opportunity away, dreadful move on his part.
 
mauconnfan said:
Boone and Cashman already tired out the bullpen no one close to 5 innings. Took Cortes out shutting out the Jays with 60 pitches in 4 1/3. Baseball is ridiculous and Roberts is an absolute dope taking that opportunity away, dreadful move on his part.
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The analytics say sit Stanton tonight and have Hicks in the lineup. Don't try and have your best hitter in the lineup against Berrios.
 
I hate all the front office nerds who totally ruined this sport.

Now no one can go past a predetermined length of pitches / time through the order no matter what the situation.

What the hell happened to those old school badass pitchers who would throw 140 pitches and then come back and throw another 140 4 days later, rinse and repeat for 35 starts.
 
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Scoe said:
The analytics say sit Stanton tonight and have Hicks in the lineup. Don't try and have your best hitter in the lineup against Berrios.
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Head bang
 
mauconnfan said:
Boone and Cashman already tired out the bullpen no one close to 5 innings. Took Cortes out shutting out the Jays with 60 pitches in 4 1/3. Baseball is ridiculous and Roberts is an absolute dope taking that opportunity away, dreadful move on his part.
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I agree with you on many things. On this I don’t think you can possibly have an informed view. Pitchers are babies, but this guy is a big star pitching an early season game in cold weather. If he goes one or two more with a bad effect on his arm, then what would everyone say?
 
August_West said:
Kershaw pulled from a Perfect game today

7 IP, 80 pitches


Final straw for me. All I have left now is College hoops and Hockey. And college hoops is changing rapidly
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I’m sure some analytics guy said that’s the right number so that’s what they did.
 
cohenzone said:
I agree with you on many things. On this I don’t think you can possibly have an informed view. Pitchers are babies, but this guy is a big star pitching an early season game in cold weather. If he goes one or two more with a bad effect on his arm, then what would everyone say?
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“That perfect game was an epic way to cap off his HOF career”?
 
McLovin said:
“That perfect game was an epic way to cap off his HOF career”?
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And Dave Roberts would lose his job as manager of the Dodgers. Remember, Bauer joining the rotation is nowhere in sight. Roberts has the keys to the Rolls Royce of baseball franchises right now. The have superstars. They have great young talent. But they didn't win last year with their payroll. Even the Dodgers are an arm injury from becoming very vulnerable in the playoffs, especially witht he Bauers' situation.

Even Kershaw got hurt, do you think he would have given the Dodgers his money back? If they win another ring this year, Kershaw won't care about this at all.
 
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