OT Pats

[upstater]

Lol all I can say is predictable and typical. Can’t blame you but you’re wrong up. Everyone else sees it.

Everyone else hates them. Of course the Patriots get calls. Every team does. That means they also get a lot of calls against them. Yesterday's game will be forgotten ASAP. But it's no different than the many other times it happened and no one remembered. When you look at the Philly Super Bowl and tell me there is favoritism, I say you're deluded. Never before in history did the league adopt a new rule just for the game, and conveniently they didn't need to be consistent with it because the old rule was still on the books. Crazy stuff.

 

[imno1]

No mentally stable adult roots for more than one NFL team.

Not true I'm a Giants fan but root for any team playing the Cowboys

 

[ctchamps]

I'm a Patriots and Eagles fan. I think complaining about officiating or accusing other teams of cheating make football fans sound like whiny baseball fans. Not a good look.

What a strange combo of teams. Who did you want to win two years ago?

FYI I’m a long time Pats fan but for some strange reason my son became an Eagles fan fifteen years ago. Been following them as well since. Three years ago I’m going nuts trying to will a Pats victory over the Falcons. What a comeback. The following year I thought I’d be happy no matter the outcome. How wrong I was! Found myself extremely worried the Pats would pull out another last minute victory. Fifty years rooting for a team and the love for my son changed my loyalty. For that game only. Was very happy the Pats won last year.

 

[Rico444]

Words I’ve been waiting years to hear “Pats screwed by refs”

With all the calls the Pats get year in and year out, I’m not sorry. It’s about damn time they get screwed just like the other 31 teams have been.

The officiating does need to get better, in a hurry.

Every team in football gets screwed by the refs, that's why I don't complain too much when my team does. Two phantom tripping calls a few weeks ago cost us a shot to drive down the field and win the game...but they've definitely gotten bad calls in their favor too.

The main theme here is that the refs are allowed to be horrible and there's absolutely zero accountability. You can't even say anything postgame or you'll get fined. It's the same in baseball...I don't expect anything to change anytime soon.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Every team in football gets screwed by the refs, that's why I don't complain too much when my team does. Two phantom tripping calls a few weeks ago cost us a shot to drive down the field and win the game...but they've definitely gotten bad calls in their favor too.

The main theme here is that the refs are allowed to be horrible and there's absolutely zero accountability. You can't even say anything postgame or you'll get fined. It's the same in baseball...I don't expect anything to change anytime soon.

Nah, the main thing is that every team gets a bad call against them and then it evens out. In this game it was a string of very bad, very high impact calls, all going against the Patriots. They even threw flags and picked them up several times.

 

[ctchamps]

No mentally stable adult roots for more than one NFL team.

??? grew up in and around Philly. Started going to Schaeffer Stadium games as a guest of a co worker after moving to CT.

If you bind a Giant’s fan to a chair, force them to listen while someone scratches a blackboard it will cause them less discomfort than having them realize there’s a fan rooting for the Eagles and Pat’s. Those are the two teams they despise the most even before the recent set of Super Bowl victories.

I don’t hate the Giants. It’s nice to see the northeast win. Trying to be reasonable with fans that want to ruin your happiness because they’re miserable is futile. Of course it’s futile for them. It’s like a Syracuse fan talking smack to UConn fans about Helms Trophies.

 

[ZenConn]

Pats fan here. The Pats didn't come to play from their 1st touchdown until the blocked punt. They deserved to lose that game. With that being said, some of these calls in this game and other games are egregious. The refs basically took 14 points off the board in this game and the missed PI call at the end.

It looks like the refs aren't overly concerned about making the right call on the field anymore since they have the replays to overturn any call. This changes how a game is called and changes the entire complexion of the game.

 

[imno1]

If you bind a Giant’s fan to a chair, force them to listen while someone scratches a blackboard it will cause them less discomfort than having them realize there’s a fan rooting for the Eagles and Pat’s. Those are the two teams they despise the most even before the recent set of Super Bowl victories.

I don’t hate the Giants. It’s nice to see the northeast win. Trying to be reasonable with fans that want to ruin your happiness because they’re miserable is futile. Of course it’s futile for them. It’s like a Syracuse fan talking smack to UConn fans about Helms Trophies.

Not true. Every giants fan despises the cowboys and eagles. No real reason to hate the Pats. Different division and we own them in the big game.

 

[Palatine]

Spags beats Brady again.

 

[upstater]

It looks like the refs aren't overly concerned about making the right call on the field anymore since they have the replays to overturn any call. This changes how a game is called and changes the entire complexion of the game.

But if replay takes the pressure off the refs, they should then defer to replay, and you do that by not whistling the play dead if there's a fumble, or ruling it a TD so that replay can decide if it is one or not.

As soon as those refs were conferring on whether or not he was in bounds, and it was taking so much time to figure out if either saw it, the default should be to go with TD because of replay. It's a luxury they have.

 

[upstater]

Just to add one play that Will Brinson from San Fran Examiner is reporting, the refs apparently gave the Chiefs a 5 yard penalty for hands to the face. They marked it back 5 yards for a 2nd and 15. Hands to the face is a 10 yard penalty. Belichick was livid at this one. How do you get that wrong? You don't know the yardage for a penalty????

 

[ctchamps]

Not true. Every giants fan despises the cowboys and eagles. No real reason to hate the Pats. Different division and we own them in the big game.

More like not every Giants fan. There’s a significant number that don’t like the Pats because of the regional rivalry and fans they frequently come across who behave in their minds obnoxiously. Not many Cleveland fans in the northeast. And many Giants fans are Yankees fans while many Pats fans are Red Sox fans so there’s that as well.

It’s the beauty of rivalries and what was lost when the BE was broken up.

 

[J187Money]

I didn't see it - so I just figured it was Pats fans screaming about nothing. But WOW, those are some of the worst calls I've seen. But it happens from time to time to every team - just happened to be their turn. Sucks when it potentially changes the outcome of a game - which could change everything re: seeding etc.

 

[Husky25]

But if replay takes the pressure off the refs, they should then defer to replay, and you do that by not whistling the play dead if there's a fumble, or ruling it a TD so that replay can decide if it is one or not.

As soon as those refs were conferring on whether or not he was in bounds, and it was taking so much time to figure out if either saw it, the default should be to go with TD because of replay. It's a luxury they have.

Very much like the Harden dunk that clearly went through the hoop once, but not the second time. The refs didn't see the net slingshot the ball back above the rim and disallowed the points. They claimed the play was not reviewable. I can understand why Powersthatbe don't wish to make judgement calls reviewable, but if a central tenet of replay is not to correct obvious wrongs, there is no reason for replay at all.

They conferred on "unreviewable" plays for longer than what it would take to actually review the darned thing.

Another example is in hockey. The puck can be in a team's defensive zone for, in hockey terms, forever, but only because the puck was literally two water droplets behind a skate blade 83 feet away 70 seconds earlier, the goal is disallowed.

Back to football: Before the Megatron disallowed-touchdown a few years ago, there was little ambiguity in the definition of a catch (Two feet inbounds and control of the ball.). Only after they are "allowed" to review it and slow it down to less than 1/36 of a second, does unreasonable doubt creep in.

Arbitrary replay rules are making sports unwatchable.

 

[intlzncster]

This actually cracked me up. When it rains it pours

 

[intlzncster]

The Jesse James play in Pittsburgh a few years ago comes to mind. Gifted the Patriots home field and a cakewalk to the Super Bowl.

What about the Philly Special? They lined up in an illegal formation (the NFL admitted it) and should have been a penalty instead of a touchdown. Turned out to be absolutely huge in a shootout.

I could name a bunch, but nobody actually cares here.

 

[superjohn]

This thread is hilarious, the same people who constantly whine about Duke getting every call are pretending it doesn't exist with the Patriots and instead the Patriots are treated unfairly by refs. This is the team who is routinely called for less penalties than everyone else and benefits with first downs more than any other team from opponent penalties. This is a team who has been running pick plays for a decade and a half. Can't make this s*** up if you tried.

 

[Dogdeacon]

No mentally stable adult roots for more than one NFL team.

If you are going there with any degree of seriousness adults simply can't root for sports teams. My opinion is that it is supposed to be fun, so maybe adults shouldn't be too concerned with or making up rules regarding sports rooting interests.

 

[upstater]

This thread is hilarious, the same people who constantly whine about Duke getting every call are pretending it doesn't exist with the Patriots and instead the Patriots are treated unfairly by refs. This is the team who is routinely called for less penalties than everyone else and benefits with first downs more than any other team from opponent penalties. This is a team who has been running pick plays for a decade and a half. Can't make this s*** up if you tried.

Belichick is a disciplinarian. There's a reason the Patriots commit less penalties than everyone else. It's called coaching. It's been that way since BEFORE they were winning. The team that holds the record for least penalized in the NFL is Don Shula's Dolphins, and Shula happens to be ahead of Belichick in the wins department. These things correlate.

 

[Husky25]

??? grew up in and around Philly. Started going to Schaeffer Stadium games as a guest of a co worker after moving to CT.

Don't feel the need to defend your rooting interests.

 

[ZenConn]

But if replay takes the pressure off the refs, they should then defer to replay, and you do that by not whistling the play dead if there's a fumble, or ruling it a TD so that replay can decide if it is one or not.

As soon as those refs were conferring on whether or not he was in bounds, and it was taking so much time to figure out if either saw it, the default should be to go with TD because of replay. It's a luxury they have.

I agree. Just saying that the NFL's implementation is a half assed effort to get it right and it has caused more problems than it has solved.

 

[Husky25]

I agree. Just saying that the NFL's implementation is a half assed effort to get it right and it has caused more problems than it has solved.

Putting "New York" in charge of replay has hurt the process, IMO.

 

[intlzncster]

This thread is hilarious, the same people who constantly whine about Duke getting every call are pretending it doesn't exist with the Patriots and instead the Patriots are treated unfairly by refs. This is the team who is routinely called for less penalties than everyone else and benefits with first downs more than any other team from opponent penalties. This is a team who has been running pick plays for a decade and a half. Can't make this s*** up if you tried.

The only people who discuss this team more than Pats fans, are the fans of other teams. It's clock work. Truly rent free living. It's the 'soccer sucks' crowd of the NFL.

And it's music to my ears. Nothing warms the cold cockles of this dark heart more than the bleating of the opposition.

 

[superjohn]

The only people who discuss this team more than Pats fans, are the fans of other teams. It's clock work. Truly rent free living. It's the 'soccer sucks' crowd of the NFL.

And it's music to my ears. Nothing warms the cold cockles of this dark heart more than the bleating of the opposition.

Nothing warms your head like your pink hat.

 

[methodology]

 

[upstater]

It's like it's the first time you ever watched a football game.

The chains are on the other side of the field. The markers on the other side don't correlate exactly and they're often moved after the fact. A chain link is pinned at the spot of the ball. Amazing. And the same poster that put that up showed that the refs are in cahoots with the Patriots because Brady asked for a reset of the 25 second clock, and they did it on command!!

 

[Brochacho]

This thread is hilarious, the same people who constantly whine about Duke getting every call are pretending it doesn't exist with the Patriots and instead the Patriots are treated unfairly by refs. This is the team who is routinely called for less penalties than everyone else and benefits with first downs more than any other team from opponent penalties. This is a team who has been running pick plays for a decade and a half. Can't make this s*** up if you tried.

Well, it is possible to acknowledge the Pats got screwed while loving every second of it.

 

[jayteeman]

Refs also missed an obvious late hit on Mahomes if the Chiefs did that to Brady the guy would be suspended. If Kelce wasnt an idiot and just held the ball instead of going backwards after getting the 1st down and fumbled in the process the game is over, and none of this is a discussion. Pats also had it 1st and goal twice in the 4th and couldn't convert.

Ummm.....they didn't have to convert....they had a touchdown....and then they didn't. And then they had to rush on the field after it wasn't a touchdown. What's your point?

 

[Fishy]

Patriots get an insane number of calls and any Pats fan complaining about it should be shot.

But yesterday wasn’t one of them.

The NFL has a huge issue with their officiating right now - games are being decided by bad calls on a regular basis.

 

[navery12]

Well the pity party for the Pats couldn't even last a full 24 hours