OT Pats

[intlzncster]

I assume they do it for a lot of teams and the Bengals are just the ones to catch them.

Why would you assume that? Totally different era with no electronic communication, HD TV, no awareness by teams etc. Teams operate totally different in 2019. They take extreme care. Vast majority is electronic anyway.

If, as you say, they were doing it to a lot of teams...and no one else could catch them, I'll assume the entire NFL is full of complete and total buffoons. Like beyond incompetent.

And if the cameramen did this, I'll honestly laugh. But I don't think he did.

EDIT: I just can't stop chuckling. Pats have a film crew in Cleveland. They clear it with the Browns ahead of time. The Browns know where, when and how they are filming. And THEN they decide to tape the sideline? lmao

All I know is that this is great news for Pats fans. A little controversy always sets this team in the right direction. Feelin good Lewis!

 

[Yardigan]

Pats are still likely going to be 13-3, get a bye and host at least one playoff game. I guess that is panic time?!

Season in the dumper. Wait til next year.

 

[Scoe]

Ummm.....they didn't have to convert....they had a touchdown....and then they didn't. And then they had to rush on the field after it wasn't a touchdown. What's your point?

Oh well.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I haven’t read much of this thread, but are we all ignoring the missed block in the back on the Harry play that would have nullified said play anyway?

y’all were lucky to get first and goal at the 3.

 

[upstater]

The 1st and 10 starts at the 15 yard line. They gain 4 yards and it is 2nd and 6 at the 11 yard line. The first down marker is then moved to the 4 yard line making it 2nd and 7. The ball was never moved up a yard.

So when did first downs become 1st and 11 rather than 1st and 10

That's not the official marker!

The official one is on the other side of the field. They adjust these things after the chains are set.

The chains determine where the ball is set after a 1st down.

The chains are 10 yards long. They don't grow during the play.

You're seeing a TV line by someone using a telestrator and the unofficial opposite field marker. In fact, the center always pull the ball back a foot when he hikes it, so the actual 1st and 10 would have been the 14 yard line, and not the 15.

This is the craziest thing ever now...

 

[upstater]

I assume they do it for a lot of teams and the Bengals are just the ones to catch them.

And yet no one bothers to even think of the fact that playcalls come through the helmet mics, and not through hand signals.

 

[upstater]

Sure, that's the official line. And they really could be filming the scout for 'Do Your Job.'

And also filming the Bengals' sideline signals. If you were going to cheat and be smart, that's how you'd do it.

Film them for what? There are no hand signals!

 

[upstater]

She has a response to you.

She has been all over the place. You know there's this twitter thing that keeps a record. She backed off when she was corrected. She's trying to create stuff now to explain her earlier stupidity.

 

[methodology]

That's not the official marker!

The official one is on the other side of the field. They adjust these things after the chains are set.

The chains determine where the ball is set after a 1st down.

The chains are 10 yards long. They don't grow during the play.

You're seeing a TV line by someone using a telestrator and the unofficial opposite field marker. In fact, the center always pull the ball back a foot when he hikes it, so the actual 1st and 10 would have been the 14 yard line, and not the 15.

This is the craziest thing ever now...

If the center pulls it back it's at the 16 not the 15.

I see simple math isn't your forte. 1st and 10 was snapped at the 15. That makes the 1st down marker at the 5

 

[navery12]

Everyone can stop trying to defend the Pats here, since their official statement doesn't even try.

 

[methodology]

Everyone can stop trying to defend the Pats here, since their official statement doesn't even try.

But upstater and such said they didn't and have never done anything wrong. They had permission

 

[upstater]

If the center pulls it back it's at the 16 not the 15.

I see simple math isn't your forte. 1st and 10 was snapped at the 15. That makes the 1st down marker at the 5

Aye yaye yaye.

The center already pulled it back.

He is further back than the chains after he pulls it back. So if he's at the 14 1/2 (where it appears he is) the first down happened at the 14.

 

[beerfan]

Forget all the controversy, Pats were 9-5 last year and won the Suprebowl, these distractions for everyone else and not them. The adjustments will be made and they will win.

 

[upstater]

But upstater and such said they didn't and have never done anything wrong. They had permission

OK, so the contracted

camera crew violated a rule.

To what effect?

You think this video series was a hoax concocted by them all year in order to:

1. Cheat on the Bengals. Not the Eagles, or Texans, or Ravens, or Chiefs. But the Bengals. All year long they've been paying this crew for that one shot when they'd follow the advance scout into the booth.
2. To steal what from the Bengals? In an era without hand signals?
3. When the Patriots film crew is actually in the film booth behind the uprights filming the hole thing legally and to their heart's content.

 

[superjohn]

You knew it was coming...but the Bengals suck why would they cheat to beat the Bengals???

They cheat against everyone, same as the Stros.

 

[Robertelamin]

Why do you defend a cheating organization @upstater? You are such a fluffer that it’s hilarious.

 

[Rico444]

OK, so the contracted

camera crew violated a rule.

To what effect?

You think this video series was a hoax concocted by them all year in order to:

1. Cheat on the Bengals. Not the Eagles, or Texans, or Ravens, or Chiefs. But the Bengals. All year long they've been paying this crew for that one shot when they'd follow the advance scout into the booth.
2. To steal what from the Bengals? In an era without hand signals?
3. When the Patriots film crew is actually in the film booth behind the uprights filming the hole thing legally and to their heart's content.

Ever hear the story of the scorpion and the frog? It's just in their nature to cheat.

 

[upstater]

Why do you defend a cheating organization @upstater? You are such a fluffer that it’s hilarious.

To win Super Bowls and celebrate!

 

[upstater]

You knew it was coming...but the Bengals suck why would they cheat to beat the Bengals???

They cheat against everyone, same as the Stros.

If that's true, then there's evidence a mile long of teams giving these guys credentials so they can film the 9 hour long movie, "Life of an Advanced Scout."

 

[Robertelamin]

You’re either a liar or stupid. Maybe both

 

[upstater]

You’re either a liar or stupid. Maybe both

And also a celebrater of Super Bowls.

 

[jayteeman]

You knew it was coming...but the Bengals suck why would they cheat to beat the Bengals???

They cheat against everyone, same as the Stros.

Don't even mention what the Stros did in the same breath as the Pats.
This past weekend was full of incredible games and just shows how difficult it is to win in the NFL. When was the last time in memory our market had four top notch games on locally for the 1:00 (2) ,4:00 and 8:00 games.
To win in games like these in the final minutes and in some cases on a final play takes a ton of focus by everyone on that playing field (including the refs) and a ton of luck.

 

[Rocktheworld]

So I haven’t heard any mention ITT of the reported exchange between the camera guy and Bengals security, offering to just delete the footage (that the NFL now has) and forget the whole thing happened. That sure doesn’t sound like nothing

And isn’t it odd that a team as buttoned up as the Pats, who already have a known reputation for this EXACT thing, not informing the NFL that they will be filming the field

 

[upstater]

So I haven’t heard any mention ITT of the reported exchange between the camera guy and Bengals security, offering to just delete the footage (that the NFL now has) and forget the whole thing happened. That sure doesn’t sound like nothing

And isn’t it odd that a team as buttoned up as the Pats, who already have a known reputation for this EXACT thing, not informing the NFL that they will be filming the field

???

1. He could be in on it and doing something dirty. Or he could be the independent contractor that he is, who, once informed that what he did just broke NFL rules, offers to delete it all.

2. The Patriots could have been trying to get this past the NFL, or the reason they didn't inform the NFL that they were going to break the rules about filming from the press box is that Belichick or Kraft didn't know they would be filming from the press box.

3. The reports about what people said or what they didn't say that came from the Bengals eyewitness sources have not been entirely consistent with what Rapaport and Shefter said this morning. The Bengals guy told Russini that the videographer filmed the entire first quarter (or 45 minutes) while the NFL reporters received word from the NFL that the tape is actually under 8 minutes of real time. But who knows--the NFL has been known to lie. And been known to cover up.

 

[Rocktheworld]

???

1. He could be in on it and doing something dirty. Or he could be the independent contractor that he is, who, once informed that what he did just broke NFL rules, offers to delete it all.

Good god this is so weak. So a filmmaker spent all day working and offers to delete everything? Not just the illegal stuff? So an independent contractor is okay with going home with nothing for the people who hired him? Was he ready to get fired that easily?

2. The Patriots could have been trying to get this past the NFL, or the reason they didn't inform the NFL that they were going to break the rules about filming from the press box is that Belichick or Kraft didn't know they would be filming from the press box.

lol okay so the pats just let this “contractor” go do whatever he wants without telling them where and how he plans to film things for them. They are paying him to contribute to a documentary or whatever; don’t you think the pats would want to know what he’s doing, and maybe they’d be a little more sensitive given they have had issues with “filming” in the past? And again, it’s just odd that such oversight comes from the most disciplined franchise in the sport.

3. The reports about what people said or what they didn't say that came from the Bengals eyewitness sources have not been entirely consistent with what Rapaport and Shefter said this morning. The Bengals guy told Russini that the videographer filmed the entire first quarter (or 45 minutes) while the NFL reporters received word from the NFL that the tape is actually under 8 minutes of real time. But who knows--the NFL has been known to lie.

Yeah more details need to come out, but it’s sketchy as hell right now.