OT: Pats Signed Tebow

[nomar]

I was bustin' hoophound but truth is I'm not sure he has a spot ..... just a great athlete, football player in college that doesn't fit anywhere at the next level......if he was smart the best route would be the Doug Flutie, Warren Moon-route......go make yourself a name up north and see what happens.

I think it was Moon who said that the CFL would be a terrible place for Tebow. The big-time reliance on passing there would expose and establish -- beyond dispute -- Tebow's ineptitude at the position.

This is the best case for him but he's never gonna be a star. He was an incredible college QB, and that's what it's gonna say on his gravestone.

 

[junglehusky]

OK I made it 17 seconds into that before I couldn't stand any more.

 

[dsturdy5]

The Pats clearly have a plan for him. They don't do distractions. Don't hold your breath on a ton of ESPN coverage either. They control what comes out of their camp very well. The media portion of camp is extremely limited, usually just some light warm ups and stretching.

 

[whaler11]

Does anyone think they are going to use Tebow at quarterback? This is the best thing that could possibly happen for him. Someone who can control the media who can put him in a position to succeed.

 

[uconnbill]

The hatred for Tebow is unreal. He is what he is. He can run some, throw a little and is a winner.

 

[Fishy]

No idea. I just think Belichek will figure it out and I'm curious to see what they are up to.

Somehow, someway....I think you're right.

The Jets had no clue what to do with him and it ruined their season, their offseason and perhaps Mark Sanchez's life.

Belichick will spend three seconds thinking about this and kill the NFL with Tebow.

 

[scrappy2.0]

The guy is 6-2 250 rock solid who can run throw and likely catch. He's a football player. I would use him as a full back special teams upback a holder fourth tight end route runner as a a H back and a third string QB. No reason why he cant get 10-15 plays game from various positions and really help a team. Hes a special team potential star hes a threat as an upback holder and short yard specialist. You dont need to spend the money on a third QB. Heck he can even be an emergency linebacker.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Not at all as a QB, unless you put some Kapernick type reads in there. TE, RB, slot WR, option type QB, halfback option. Belichick is going to turn him into a blank Scrabble piece that fits anywhere JUST as an you to Rex Ryan.

Tebow couldn't carry Kap's jock. You put Colin on those Florida teams and they might win 4 titles. Of course I'm a little biased. Go Nevada, Go Niners

 

[UCHuskies08]

Why does anyone assume Tebow will be even a decent TE? Has he ever shown the capacity to run routes and catch passes?

 

[prankster]

Not at all as a QB, unless you put some Kapernick type reads in there. TE, RB, slot WR, option type QB, halfback option. Belichick is going to turn him into a blank Scrabble piece that fits anywhere JUST as an you to Rex Ryan.

As a third string QB on the team, he is worth it.

As an option QB in practice, he is worth it.

As a starting QB, or even a second string QB, he has a ways to go to be worth it.

In any case, the Pats have risked absolutely nothing (including contract money), and they now have a Heismann winner in their mini-camp.

We'll all see how it turns out for them, soon enough.

 

[Kitaman]

Awesome. I always thought the Pats could figure out a way to use him.

I hope you are right but you may be a tad bit premature. He's a puzzle that they may be the one and only teams can solve, but I'm not sure even they can figure it out. He won't be a media distraction or a qb controversy with Brady that's for sure. Since Brady is the best, the fans certainly won't be calling his number.

 

[mauconnfan]

Maybe he can be the next Danny Woodhead.

How is he going to become an arrogant midget?

 

[Deepster]

Tebow couldn't carry Kap's jock. You put Colin on those Florida teams and they might win 4 titles. Of course I'm a little biased. Go Nevada, Go Niners

You continue to spin what I'm saying. I didn't say he would be Colin Kaepernick. I said you could use him in a set that Kap made popular.

If you think Belichick isn't going to make this guy a weapon, if for nothing more than to make the Jets look stupid, you're crazy.

 

[CL82]

That GIF is also appropriate for the NSA scandal right now.

Of course you know that comment has been duly archived. Welcome to the NSA database.

 

[intlzncster]

I know they are the most "dynamic" team in history but how will they use him?? lol

IF he makes the team (big IF), he'd likely be used as a decoy or for one or two plays a game. I mean, you don't really want to take Brady out from under center. Ever.

In that light, his biggest value will be making opposing teams have to prepare for him. Any time spent practicing/preparing for Tebow and not Brady is time well spent from a Patriot perspective.

 

[intlzncster]

Tebow couldn't carry Kap's jock. You put Colin on those Florida teams and they might win 4 titles. Of course I'm a little biased. Go Nevada, Go Niners

Course not! Don't know if you are a college football fan, but Tebow was an absolute gnikcvf beast in college. Different game than at the pro level.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Course not! Don't know if you are a college football fan, but Tebow was an absolute gnikcvf beast in college. Different game than at the pro level.

Absolute diehard college fan who watched every play of Kap's collegiate career from my seats in Mackay Stadium in Reno. My post was more a comment on Kap's brilliance than Tebow. You put Kap on that Florida team and he's the one stacking heisman trophies in his living room. Look at their college stats and tell me who the real beast is.

 

[intlzncster]

Just how everyone talked how smart he was for picking up Albert Haynesworth, how did that work out. What is he going to be, their 4th TE.

His hits out way his misses. Guys like Moss, Dillon, Talib vs Ocho and Haynesworth? No question Pats came out ahead there.

Even Lloyd, who "didn't work out", had a thousand yards receiving last year.

 

[intlzncster]

Absolute diehard college fan who watched every play of Kap's collegiate career from my seats in Mackay Stadium in Reno. My post was more a comment on Kap's brilliance than Tebow. You put Kap on that Florida team and he's the one stacking heisman trophies in his living room. Look at their college stats and tell me who the real beast is.

Come on, Tebow played in the SEC. Kapernick was in the Mounain West. Zero comparison there.

There wasn't a college player who could tackle Tebow effectively.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Come on, Tebow played in the SEC. There was a college player who could tackle that kid.

And Kap is doing it in the NFL. Pretty sure he could have survived the SEC

 

[intlzncster]

And Kap is doing it in the NFL. Pretty sure he could have survived the SEC

I have no doubt he could survive in the SEC, but you were comparing stats. His stats reflect the fact that he was essentially playing a level down in college. Difference between SEC defensive players and MW guys is damn near the difference between college and pro.

 

[CAHUSKY]

I have no doubt he could survive in the SEC, but you were comparing stats. Stats reflect the fact that he was essentially playing a level down in college. Difference between SEC defensive players and MW guys is damn near the difference between college and pro.

Not sure of your point. Mine was; put Kap on those Florida teams and they are even better. he runs better, throws better and is also a great leader. On those Florida teams his stats would have been better than Tebow. That is all

 

[intlzncster]

Not sure of your point. Mine was; put Kap on those Florida teams and they are even better. he runs better, throws better and is also a great leader.

You said, and I quote, "Look at their college stats and tell me who the real beast is. " I'm telling you that your comparison is faulty, because it is: Tebow played against far bigger, better, faster players. Fact.

Tebow was a more feared runner in college, especially against bigger, stronger defenders, because he is so big. He's like a fullback that just plowed over dudes. And you don't really have any proof to say Florida would be better.

Besides, the jury is still out on Kap and all the other young running QBs in the NFL. One successful season (half in Kap's case) does not a career make. There've been a bunch of run/pass QBs who've flashed early, yet were underwhelming in the final analysis. Vick, McNabb, and even Cunningham come to mind. How many championships did those guys win? Zero. I'll be interested to see how coaches and defenses adjust to Kap, now that they've had time to prepare for him.

I'm not really a hybrid QB guy. The 'new hybrid trend' (which isn't all that new) is a media creation more than anything. Premium pocket passers will always dominate the NFL. You get a lot more yards through the air, and there's not as much wear and tear on the body. QBs hit their prime at 28-31. The most important skill to develop as an NFL QB is pocket presence. If they spend a lot of their time running out of the pocket, they don't develop as much on that front. When their legs start to go a bit, their pocket presence isn't fully developed and they suffer for it. History says that's the way it's always been. Maybe it'll be different this time?

Russell Wilson has the best pocket presence right now of all the young QBs. Who knows if he'll turn out to be the best QB though.

 

[Deepster]

Totally right on the pocket passers. If you look at most of the title contenders, they're all pocket passers. Rodgers, Brady, Flacco, Brees, Peyton and Eli Manning. The RG3's and the Kaepernicks are more "flavor of the week" guys if you're looking to build a long term playoff perennial franchise. RG3 is already hurt. Kaepernick isn't built to take a beating.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Totally right on the pocket passers. If you look at most of the title contenders, they're all pocket passers. Rodgers, Brady, Flacco, Brees, Peyton and Eli Manning. The RG3's and the Kaepernicks are more "flavor of the week" guys if you're looking to build a long term playoff perennial franchise. RG3 is already hurt. Kaepernick isn't built to take a beating.

Kap is 6'5 240. If he's not built to take a pounding, who is? Although it was a limited sample set you have to be impressed by a passer rating of 98.3 , 62.4 completion percentage and a 10:3 touchdown-to-interception ratio. Not to mention, He also averaged 8.32 yards per pass attempt, which led all starting quarterbacks in the NFL. If you think he's the "flavor of the week you haven't watched him play much.

Ps. Sorry to hijack the thread. My initial post wasnt intended to start a debate on Kap. Lets get back to Tebow