OT: Pats Signed Tebow

[Fishy]

No idea. I just think Belichek will figure it out and I'm curious to see what they are up to.

Somehow, someway....I think you're right.

The Jets had no clue what to do with him and it ruined their season, their offseason and perhaps Mark Sanchez's life.

Belichick will spend three seconds thinking about this and kill the NFL with Tebow.

 

[scrappy2.0]

The guy is 6-2 250 rock solid who can run throw and likely catch. He's a football player. I would use him as a full back special teams upback a holder fourth tight end route runner as a a H back and a third string QB. No reason why he cant get 10-15 plays game from various positions and really help a team. Hes a special team potential star hes a threat as an upback holder and short yard specialist. You dont need to spend the money on a third QB. Heck he can even be an emergency linebacker.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Not at all as a QB, unless you put some Kapernick type reads in there. TE, RB, slot WR, option type QB, halfback option. Belichick is going to turn him into a blank Scrabble piece that fits anywhere JUST as an you to Rex Ryan.

Tebow couldn't carry Kap's jock. You put Colin on those Florida teams and they might win 4 titles. Of course I'm a little biased. Go Nevada, Go Niners

 

[UCHuskies08]

Why does anyone assume Tebow will be even a decent TE? Has he ever shown the capacity to run routes and catch passes?

 

[prankster]

Not at all as a QB, unless you put some Kapernick type reads in there. TE, RB, slot WR, option type QB, halfback option. Belichick is going to turn him into a blank Scrabble piece that fits anywhere JUST as an you to Rex Ryan.

As a third string QB on the team, he is worth it.

As an option QB in practice, he is worth it.

As a starting QB, or even a second string QB, he has a ways to go to be worth it.

In any case, the Pats have risked absolutely nothing (including contract money), and they now have a Heismann winner in their mini-camp.

We'll all see how it turns out for them, soon enough.

 

[Kitaman]

Awesome. I always thought the Pats could figure out a way to use him.

I hope you are right but you may be a tad bit premature. He's a puzzle that they may be the one and only teams can solve, but I'm not sure even they can figure it out. He won't be a media distraction or a qb controversy with Brady that's for sure. Since Brady is the best, the fans certainly won't be calling his number.

 

[mauconnfan]

Maybe he can be the next Danny Woodhead.

How is he going to become an arrogant midget?

 

[Deepster]

Tebow couldn't carry Kap's jock. You put Colin on those Florida teams and they might win 4 titles. Of course I'm a little biased. Go Nevada, Go Niners

You continue to spin what I'm saying. I didn't say he would be Colin Kaepernick. I said you could use him in a set that Kap made popular.

If you think Belichick isn't going to make this guy a weapon, if for nothing more than to make the Jets look stupid, you're crazy.

 

[CL82]

That GIF is also appropriate for the NSA scandal right now.

Of course you know that comment has been duly archived. Welcome to the NSA database.

 

[intlzncster]

I know they are the most "dynamic" team in history but how will they use him?? lol

IF he makes the team (big IF), he'd likely be used as a decoy or for one or two plays a game. I mean, you don't really want to take Brady out from under center. Ever.

In that light, his biggest value will be making opposing teams have to prepare for him. Any time spent practicing/preparing for Tebow and not Brady is time well spent from a Patriot perspective.

 

[intlzncster]

Tebow couldn't carry Kap's jock. You put Colin on those Florida teams and they might win 4 titles. Of course I'm a little biased. Go Nevada, Go Niners

Course not! Don't know if you are a college football fan, but Tebow was an absolute fun-hating beast in college. Different game than at the pro level.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Course not! Don't know if you are a college football fan, but Tebow was an absolute fun-hating beast in college. Different game than at the pro level.

Absolute diehard college fan who watched every play of Kap's collegiate career from my seats in Mackay Stadium in Reno. My post was more a comment on Kap's brilliance than Tebow. You put Kap on that Florida team and he's the one stacking heisman trophies in his living room. Look at their college stats and tell me who the real beast is.

 

[intlzncster]

Just how everyone talked how smart he was for picking up Albert Haynesworth, how did that work out. What is he going to be, their 4th TE.

His hits out way his misses. Guys like Moss, Dillon, Talib vs Ocho and Haynesworth? No question Pats came out ahead there.

Even Lloyd, who "didn't work out", had a thousand yards receiving last year.

 

[intlzncster]

Absolute diehard college fan who watched every play of Kap's collegiate career from my seats in Mackay Stadium in Reno. My post was more a comment on Kap's brilliance than Tebow. You put Kap on that Florida team and he's the one stacking heisman trophies in his living room. Look at their college stats and tell me who the real beast is.

Come on, Tebow played in the SEC. Kapernick was in the Mounain West. Zero comparison there.

There wasn't a college player who could tackle Tebow effectively.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Come on, Tebow played in the SEC. There was a college player who could tackle that kid.

And Kap is doing it in the NFL. Pretty sure he could have survived the SEC

 

[intlzncster]

And Kap is doing it in the NFL. Pretty sure he could have survived the SEC

I have no doubt he could survive in the SEC, but you were comparing stats. His stats reflect the fact that he was essentially playing a level down in college. Difference between SEC defensive players and MW guys is damn near the difference between college and pro.

 

[CAHUSKY]

I have no doubt he could survive in the SEC, but you were comparing stats. Stats reflect the fact that he was essentially playing a level down in college. Difference between SEC defensive players and MW guys is damn near the difference between college and pro.

Not sure of your point. Mine was; put Kap on those Florida teams and they are even better. he runs better, throws better and is also a great leader. On those Florida teams his stats would have been better than Tebow. That is all

 

[intlzncster]

Not sure of your point. Mine was; put Kap on those Florida teams and they are even better. he runs better, throws better and is also a great leader.

You said, and I quote, "Look at their college stats and tell me who the real beast is. " I'm telling you that your comparison is faulty, because it is: Tebow played against far bigger, better, faster players. Fact.

Tebow was a more feared runner in college, especially against bigger, stronger defenders, because he is so big. He's like a fullback that just plowed over dudes. And you don't really have any proof to say Florida would be better.

Besides, the jury is still out on Kap and all the other young running QBs in the NFL. One successful season (half in Kap's case) does not a career make. There've been a bunch of run/pass QBs who've flashed early, yet were underwhelming in the final analysis. Vick, McNabb, and even Cunningham come to mind. How many championships did those guys win? Zero. I'll be interested to see how coaches and defenses adjust to Kap, now that they've had time to prepare for him.

I'm not really a hybrid QB guy. The 'new hybrid trend' (which isn't all that new) is a media creation more than anything. Premium pocket passers will always dominate the NFL. You get a lot more yards through the air, and there's not as much wear and tear on the body. QBs hit their prime at 28-31. The most important skill to develop as an NFL QB is pocket presence. If they spend a lot of their time running out of the pocket, they don't develop as much on that front. When their legs start to go a bit, their pocket presence isn't fully developed and they suffer for it. History says that's the way it's always been. Maybe it'll be different this time?

Russell Wilson has the best pocket presence right now of all the young QBs. Who knows if he'll turn out to be the best QB though.

 

[Deepster]

Totally right on the pocket passers. If you look at most of the title contenders, they're all pocket passers. Rodgers, Brady, Flacco, Brees, Peyton and Eli Manning. The RG3's and the Kaepernicks are more "flavor of the week" guys if you're looking to build a long term playoff perennial franchise. RG3 is already hurt. Kaepernick isn't built to take a beating.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Totally right on the pocket passers. If you look at most of the title contenders, they're all pocket passers. Rodgers, Brady, Flacco, Brees, Peyton and Eli Manning. The RG3's and the Kaepernicks are more "flavor of the week" guys if you're looking to build a long term playoff perennial franchise. RG3 is already hurt. Kaepernick isn't built to take a beating.

Kap is 6'5 240. If he's not built to take a pounding, who is? Although it was a limited sample set you have to be impressed by a passer rating of 98.3 , 62.4 completion percentage and a 10:3 touchdown-to-interception ratio. Not to mention, He also averaged 8.32 yards per pass attempt, which led all starting quarterbacks in the NFL. If you think he's the "flavor of the week you haven't watched him play much.

Ps. Sorry to hijack the thread. My initial post wasnt intended to start a debate on Kap. Lets get back to Tebow

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Just how everyone talked how smart he was for picking up Albert Haynesworth, how did that work out. What is he going to be, their 4th TE.

What does that mean? They took a shot on Haynesworth knowing full well if it didn't work out they'd dump him. That's what they did. They gave up a 5th round pick for it and that's basically it.

 

[intlzncster]

Kap is 6'5 240. If he's not built to take a pounding, who is?

Ben Roethlisberger 6'5 240 -> always injured; to his credit still toughs it out. Donovan McNabb 6'2 240 -> always injured.

Size at the QB doesn't matter in the NFL if it's a running QB. No one is built to take a pounding at the NFL level playing that style of football. The defenders are bigger and stronger and you WILL take a pounding. And you will get injured.

Also, Kap's got a lot skinnier legs than Donovan or Ben. Wonder if that'll come back to haunt in terms of ankle/knee injuries. We'll see.

Although it was a limited sample set you have to be impressed by a passer rating of 98.3 , 62.4 completion percentage and a 10:3 touchdown-to-interception ratio. Not to mention, He also averaged 8.32 yards per pass attempt, which led all starting quarterbacks in the NFL. If you think he's the "flavor of the week you haven't watched him play much.

Good numbers. Played well. Pretty good poise. Like you said, limited sample. He kind of burst on the scene and no one was prepared to handle it. Reminds me of how the Wildcat offense came on the scene down in Miami in that way.

Didn't say HE was the flavor of the week. But the hybrid quarterback thing is where all teams seem to want to go now -> that's the flavor. Defenses will adjust, as they always do. I am curious to see how Kap does over the next 2 years. He should be a good QB, but I certainly would be punching him a ticket to Canton yet.

Ps. Sorry to hijack the thread. My initial post wasnt intended to start a debate on Kap. Lets get back to Tebow

You can't just make a bunch of points and then last word us like that! Besides, it's an interesting discussion and pertains to Tebow, as he is that type of quarterback.

 

[Deepster]

Kap is 6'5 240. If he's not built to take a pounding, who is? Although it was a limited sample set you have to be impressed by a passer rating of 98.3 , 62.4 completion percentage and a 10:3 touchdown-to-interception ratio. Not to mention, He also averaged 8.32 yards per pass attempt, which led all starting quarterbacks in the NFL. If you think he's the "flavor of the week you haven't watched him play much.

Ps. Sorry to hijack the thread. My initial post wasnt intended to start a debate on Kap. Lets get back to Tebow
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Daunte Culpepper was 6'4", 260 and after his 5th year as a starter, he played 7, 4, 7, 5 and 8 games. Quarterbacks wear different pads. And the average span of an RB's career in their prime is usually not all that long. So, no, he's not built to take a pounding.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Daunte Culpepper was 6'4", 260 and after his 5th year as a starter, he played 7, 4, 7, 5 and 8 games. Quarterbacks wear different pads. And the average span of an RB's career in their prime is usually not all that long. So, no, he's not built to take a pounding.

Lucky for Colin he's a QB. You're missing the fact that he is a very, very good passer and only runs on occasion. Those running lanes are open because he is such an accurate passer. He's a strong pocket passer who can run like a deer and you're using that incredible combination as a reason he will fail instead of succeed. Interesting deduction.

 

[HuskyHawk]

In the end zone.........c'mon BigMac why would they make him a cheerleader??

Nah, they'll give him a musket.

 

[Deepster]

Lucky for Colin he's a QB. You're missing the fact that he is a very, very good passer and only runs on occasion. Those running lanes are open because he is such an accurate passer. He's a strong pocket passer who can run like a deer and you're using that incredible combination as a reason he will fail instead of succeed. Interesting deduction.

Runs "on occasion" for him is still way, way more than true pocket passers. And my deduction is based on the more hits a quarterback takes, the worse it is for his long term prognosis. That holds true for a QB with a bad offensive line as well. Bottom line is, he's a new hybrid. He is not a pocket passer. His odds of being hurt are much greater. It's not that difficult.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Runs "on occasion" for him is still way, way more than true pocket passers. And my deduction is based on the more hits a quarterback takes, the worse it is for his long term prognosis. That holds true for a QB with a bad offensive line as well. Bottom line is, he's a new hybrid. He is not a pocket passer. His odds of being hurt are much greater. It's not that difficult.

He has the best offensive line in football and is a very good pocket passer. Don't be fooled by the fact that he ran roughshod over the NFL last year. There is a reason Harbaugh moved up in the draft to get him and sat a QB who had completed 25 of his last 27 passes and led them to the NFC title game the year before (Smith) in favor of him. I guess my point is that Colin is a lot more than just a runner or a hybrid. He is a great passer who can run like crazy. Thats not a bad thing.

While this doesn't exactly address your point that a running QB may have a shorter career (i still dispute Kap is a running QB) it does shed light on the fact that "mobile" QB's are no more likely to miss starts than "pocket passers"

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...ike_colin_kaepernick_more_injury_prone.2.html

 

[zyron]

The hatred for Tebow is unreal. He is what he is. He can run some, throw a little and is a winner.

Where is this hatred you are talking about? Everyone is talking about his football ability. But that doesn't fit your war on Christianity shtick, does it?

 

[intlzncster]

He has the best offensive line in football and is a very good pocket passer. Don't be fooled by the fact that he ran roughshod over the NFL last year. There is a reason Harbaugh moved up in the draft to get him and sat a QB who had completed 25 of his last 27 passes and led them to the NFC title game the year before (Smith) in favor of him. I guess my point is that Colin is a lot more than just a runner or a hybrid. He is a great passer who can run like crazy. Thats not a bad thing.

Part of the reason he ran rough shod because defenses were not ready for him. They'll be ready and well game planned this year. It'll be interesting to see how he adjusts. And come on, the fact that Harbaugh moved up to get him doesn't mean anything, other than he liked him. McDaniels moved up to get Tebow and that wasn't exactly a winner. Also, he only saw the field because Smith got hurt, not because of he beat him out. Smith would have stayed starting otherwise. Credit to Kap that he took the ball and ran with it (pun).

I guess my point is that Colin is a lot more than just a runner or a hybrid. He is a great passer who can run like crazy. Thats not a bad thing.

You could certainly argue that. If he has a running lane and no immediate option, he'll take the run. A true pocket passer will wait and wait, shift around in the pocket and unleash something, only running for a couple of measly yards as a bail out if the play falls totally apart. This is where pocket presence gets developed. Heck, normally pocket passer either throw away or take a sack.

Who knows how he'll turn out at this point, but I wouldn't mind having him on my team, if we didn't already have Brady.

 

[Matt (Chicago)]

The Pats have a long history of making stars out of "average" talent and reviving the dead careers of "has beens" (Usually running backs) I suspect they can find interesting ways to play Tebow and I'd guess they already have some ideas. The Pats would never bring a guy in for attention so they must see some value there. I look forward to seeing what they try to do with him.

My guess is we see quite a bit of him if he is on the opening day roster. Otherwise, he gets cut very quickly to avoid a circus.

What has-been RB have they revived other than Corey Dillon?