OT: Patriots

[Mots010]

lol

Crown of the helmet hits the facemask of the Chiefs player. Just as dangerous and cheap as burficts hit last week.

 

[Husky25]

Penalty? Yes. Dirty? Hardly. Hard to determine intent whrn there is no history.

 

[StoweD210]

Crown of the helmet hits the facemask of the Chiefs player. Just as dangerous and cheap as burficts hit last week.

If Amendola led with the crown of his helmet to the face mask of the Chiefs player, how come you can see the top of his helmet when he hits him?



Like others have said, it was a penalty, but Fouts' description of what happened didn't match what happened on the field.

 

[BugsyCT]

His shoulder hit the Chief's player's face mask. Still pretty dirty since the Chiefs player was looking up to receive the punt.

 

[intlzncster]

His shoulder hit the Chief's player's face mask. Still pretty dirty since the Chiefs player was looking up to receive the punt.

Crown of the helmet hits the facemask of the Chiefs player. Just as dangerous and cheap as burficts hit last week.

Yeah, clearly tried to block him and missed. That sort of thing happens every game. Looks easy in slow motion, but not at speed. Given that he's a small receiver/return man, not at all surprising it was technically poorly executed. Amendola's not a remotely dirty player. Burfict is closer to is a borderline criminal. Former gets benefit of the doubt. I'm surprised it took the latter this long to get suspended.

What was disappointing was that Amendola, as a return man, tried to block him at all. That's a penalty, whether it was executed legally or not. Not smart football.

EDIT: Actually, I could be wrong there. That's a play the Patriots are coached to execute:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england...-belichick-on-danny-amendola-block-legal-play

"I saw him block the guy trying to down the ball," Belichick answered. "It’s hard to tell from the coaching film where the hit occurred, but it was a legal play. We’re allowed to block him. He didn’t give a fair catch signal, so he’s allowed to block, and then after the play when [Dezman] Moses came over and snatched his facemask and started shaking him, I’m not really sure what all happened on that. There were a lot of bodies around there, a lot of pushing and shoving and all that. I don’t know, I think you’d have to ask the officials exactly what they called on that."​

 

[Deadrody]

I agree there's some people that hate winners and that's why some jump on every negative story about the Pats, but it's pretty clear they're always looking to get an advantage.

Congratulations! You just described every team in professional sports

 

[Deadrody]

To completely veer off topic: Since I brought up Jerry Jones in this thread as an incompetence owner, thought I'd offer up the latest example. Just when I thought he couldn't possibly be any dumber, he goes and does something like this... and totally redeem himself! Would you want this guy in charge of your health?

Tony Romo is entertaining a few options for helping to heal his broken collarbone, including having a metal plate surgically attached to prevent future issues, according to a report by Jon Machota of the Dallas Morning News. The Dallas Cowboys quarterback has fractured his left collarbone three times since 2010, so he is familiar with the healing process. "We have a few ideas of what we can do with the collarbone," Romo said as a guest of Norm Hitzges on 1310 The Ticket. "There are a few plans." One of the plans Romo discussed was the insertion of the small plate, which he claimed "should ensure that that [break] doesn't happen, or the percentage of that goes way, way down." Although Romo seems willing to undergo the surgery as a preventative measure, owner/GM Jerry Jones didn't seem too pleased with the idea of his franchise QB going under the knife. "Unless something occurs that hasn't occurred, he will not have a plate," Jones said on 105.3 The Fan. "He will heal naturally. It's the way to go." With a promising season already lost to injury, it will be interesting to see what measures Romo ultimately decides to undergo to prevent missing more time in the future, and how much of an influence Jones will have on those decisions.​

Giants, Jets, and Pats fans can completely agree on one thing.....being very, very thankful that our respective owners are NOT Jerry Jones.

Been staying out of this food fight until now...

You really think Jerry Jones is making medical decisions in Dallas ? Just stop.

In case you missed it, this very terribly run organization was 12-4 last year and on the upswing. Just so happens they lost their top 3 offensive skill players from that season - Romo to injury, Murray to Philly, and Dez to injury. They'll be fine.

 

[intlzncster]

You really think Jerry Jones is making medical decisions in Dallas ? Just stop.

uh, no I don't. But GM shouldn't be disagreeing with a QBs statement/wishes RE recovery in public. All it does is cause unnecessary controversy.

In case you missed it, this very terribly run organization was 12-4 last year and on the upswing. Just so happens they lost their top 3 offensive skill players from that season - Romo to injury, Murray to Philly, and Dez to injury. They'll be fine.

Dude, Dallas has won 2 playoff games in the last 20 years. Two! That is the definition of a dumpster fire.

The above is simply another small example of the sh_tshow which is Dallas. Jones has been inexorably sliding down that slippery slope. Next he's going to see if he can get Aaron Hernandez a reprieve to suit up next year.

I get they were good last year. But we'll see how that pans out next. Romo is past his prime. Dez is a headcase. We'll see.

 

[mauconnfan]

Patriot nation would have been beside themselves if that's all the penalty was on the Chiefs I promise. Heard the fat dude on with Joe D a while ago and said the only difference in his play and the LB from the Bengals is Danny was trying to make a play? What a idiot homer statement.

 

[intlzncster]

Patriot nation would have been beside themselves if that's all the penalty was on the Chiefs I promise. Heard the fat dude on with Joe D a while ago and said the only difference in his play and the LB from the Bengals is Danny was trying to make a play? What a idiot homer statement.

Uh, it makes sense. The ball was live when Amendola went for the block (as he's coached to do). Burfict's hit came after the ball was past, and for all intents and purposes, the play is dead vis a vis a receiver.

 

[Husky25]

Patriot nation would have been beside themselves if that's all the penalty was on the Chiefs I promise. Heard the fat dude on with Joe D a while ago and said the only difference in his play and the LB from the Bengals is Danny was trying to make a play? What a idiot homer statement.

I don't recall Burfict being tossed from that game. The both were flagged for unsportsmanlike.

Burfict is considered dirty because he has a history and the game was chippy all game.

The Pats were the receiving team, not the Chiefs. If Amendola was blocking the Chiefs' player facing down field facing away from his own goal post, the general play would have been legal. Him cracking back an "blocking" the Chiefs' player into the end zone was the illegal part of the play. Didn't matter really whether the Pats started on the 5 or 2 1/2 yardline.

 

[mauconnfan]

Uh, it makes sense. The ball was live when Amendola went for the block (as he's coached to do). Burfict's hit came after the ball was past, and for all intents and purposes, the play is dead vis a vis a receiver.

Hilarious - he went for the head. Oh wait no he didn't he plays for the Pats. Dirty play but will ever hear it from the Pats fans.

 

[Husky25]

Hilarious - he went for the head. Oh wait no he didn't he plays for the Pats. Dirty play but will ever hear it from the Pats fans.

And he got flagged for it.

 

[mauconnfan]

And he got flagged for it.

What is the difference between him and the Burfict play? They both went head hunting yet I hear on the radio all day there is no comparison according to Pats fans? Of course there is both guys tried to separate their opponents head from his shoulders. Sure it's a penalty of course it is, but let's get some confirmation from Pats fans that the only difference in the 2 is Danny A doesn't have history on the books.

 

[Husky25]

Well history does have a lot to do with it. Granted Amendola is a wide out, he doesn't have quite so many opportunities to throw cheapshots.

 

[intlzncster]

What is the difference between him and the Burfict play? They both went head hunting yet I hear on the radio all day there is no comparison according to Pats fans?

Again, one's a live ball where a guy is trying to make a play. The other is an effectively dead play. The simple act of trying to block someone is more extenuating than simply clipping a guys head off while running by for no apparent reason. That's a huge difference.

Nobody is absolving him of a penalty. Everyone thinks it was. The reason people don't think Amendola was head hunting is mostly because its out of character; hell, many Pats fans even called him soft just last year. Burfict on the other hand was in character; he's a borderline criminal, ever since his college days. And frankly, the Patriots are disciplined (not perfect) and the Bengals rival only the Bills for most undisciplined teams in the game. Which fits the pattern?

Amendola's also smaller than Fleming, so a block requires more force. Burfict, on the other hand, dwarfs Brown.

 

[mauconnfan]

Again, one's a live ball where a guy is trying to make a play. The other is an effectively dead play. The simple act of trying to block someone is more extenuating than simply clipping a guys head off while running by for no apparent reason. That's a huge difference.

Nobody is absolving him of a penalty. Everyone thinks it was. The reason people don't think Amendola was head hunting is mostly because its out of character; hell, many Pats fans even called him soft just last year. Burfict on the other hand was in character; he's a borderline criminal, ever since his college days. And frankly, the Patriots are disciplined (not perfect) and the Bengals rival only the Bills for most undisciplined teams in the game. Which fits the pattern?

Amendola's also smaller than Fleming, so a block requires more force. Burfict, on the other hand, dwarfs Brown.

As you said the Pats are more disciplined (lol) and that's why its different - hilarious. And heck I didn't know Pats fans called him soft, geez then he couldn't have committed a dirty play. My bad geez I'm stupid.

 

[StoweD210]

Again, one's a live ball where a guy is trying to make a play. The other is an effectively dead play. The simple act of trying to block someone is more extenuating than simply clipping a guys head off while running by for no apparent reason. That's a huge difference.

Nobody is absolving him of a penalty. Everyone thinks it was. The reason people don't think Amendola was head hunting is mostly because its out of character; hell, many Pats fans even called him soft just last year. Burfict on the other hand was in character; he's a borderline criminal, ever since his college days. And frankly, the Patriots are disciplined (not perfect) and the Bengals rival only the Bills for most undisciplined teams in the game. Which fits the pattern?

Amendola's also smaller than Fleming, so a block requires more force. Burfict, on the other hand, dwarfs Brown.

It's interesting that people think the Amendola play was so dirty and think he should be suspended, but I haven't heard a thing about extra punishment for Larry Fitzgerald delivering an illegal helmet to helmet block on Sunday.



Apparently, that's just football and doesn't deserve any additional scrutiny or punishment beyond the on-field penalty.

 

[intlzncster]

It's interesting that people think the Amendola play was so dirty and think he should be suspended, but I haven't heard a thing about extra punishment for Larry Fitzgerald delivering an illegal helmet to helmet block on Sunday.



Apparently, that's just football and doesn't deserve any additional scrutiny or punishment beyond the on-field penalty.

Larry's not a Patriot.

 

[intlzncster]

As you said the Pats are more disciplined (lol) and that's why its different - hilarious. And heck I didn't know Pats fans called him soft, geez then he couldn't have committed a dirty play. My bad geez I'm stupid.

I'm not saying it's impossible mau. I'm saying you gotta consider the extenuating circumstances and not just look at both plays in a vacuum. None of us are in either of those players' heads, so we can't KNOW for absolute certain, but taking into account the player, the play, and the team, you can come to a reasonable estimate. I realize were never going to agree on anything Patriots related mind you.

Oh, and as far as disciplined goes, the least penalized teams:

4. Patriots
22. Cincinnati

Eyeballing it, Cinci is top 4 in personal fouls too.

 

[mauconnfan]

I'm not saying it's impossible mau. I'm saying you gotta consider the extenuating circumstances and not just look at both plays in a vacuum. None of us are in either of those players' heads, so we can't KNOW for absolute certain, but taking into account the player, the play, and the team, you can come to a reasonable estimate. I realize were never going to agree on anything Patriots related mind you.

Oh, and as far as disciplined goes, the least penalized teams:

4. Patriots
22. Cincinnati

Eyeballing it, Cinci is top 4 in personal fouls too.

Sorry dude I don't give 2 rats a**es about the TEAM discipline - he had as cheap of a shot on a defenseless player maybe worst than the Bengals LBer, history out the window. CHEAP shot period! You guys are relentless.

 

[intlzncster]

Sorry dude I don't give 2 rats a**es about the TEAM discipline - he had as cheap of a shot on a defenseless player maybe worst than the Bengals LBer, history out the window. CHEAP shot period! You guys are relentless.

LMAO!!! That same sort of thing (DA hit) happens every other game. Burfict knocked the guy clean out of the playoffs, after the play was effectively over. As someone else pointed out, Larry Fitzgerald did the same thing (see gif above) as Amendola last week, and nobody has said a pip. Patriot bias.

It's amazing the blinders you guys put on when discussing the Patriots. Comical even. If you don't consider context in every situation, you probably shouldn't be discussing it. Life is grey, not black and white. When it comes to the Pats, you guys are black and white to a fault.

 

[Matt (Chicago)]

Sorry dude I don't give 2 rats a**es about the TEAM discipline - he had as cheap of a shot on a defenseless player maybe worst than the Bengals LBer, history out the window. CHEAP shot period! You guys are relentless.

sorry, but you don't have the right to call anyone relentless when it comes to the patriots. you have a legit obsession with them. seriously - it's just a sports team, and not even one that you root for at that.

 

[mauconnfan]

LMAO!!! That same sort of thing (DA hit) happens every other game. Burfict knocked the guy clean out of the playoffs, after the play was effectively over. As someone else pointed out, Larry Fitzgerald did the same thing (see gif above) as Amendola last week, and nobody has said a pip. Patriot bias.

It's amazing the blinders you guys put on when discussing the Patriots. Comical even. If you don't consider context in every situation, you probably shouldn't be discussing it. Life is grey, not black and white. When it comes to the Pats, you guys are black and white to a fault.

Didn't see Fitzgerald show it to me so I can laugh. But if it's legit I will say it is. No blinders here it's you guys and the funniest thing you can't see it. They won the game and you still bitch and whine over people seeing the obvious.

 

[mauconnfan]

sorry, but you don't have the right to call anyone relentless when it comes to the patriots. you have a legit obsession with them. seriously - it's just a sports team, and not even one that you root for at that.

Ok Matt thanks. I watched a game, I saw a play that you guys can't be honest about. Not obsessed just laughing at you doped and you're need to be elite! "NOT the Patriots, we're the 4th best team at being NICE" Think of that it's football and intclz thinks this is a real reply - that's the Nation LOL

Keep it up the laughs are entertaining.

 

[Matt (Chicago)]

Ok Matt thanks. I watched a game, I saw a play that you guys can't be honest about. Not obsessed just laughing at you doped and you're need to be elite! "NOT the Patriots, we're the 4th best team at being NICE" Think of that it's football and intclz thinks this is a real reply - that's the Nation LOL

Keep it up the laughs are entertaining.

I never said anything about the play. in fact, I watched the game out here with two other Patriots fans and we were all surprised that Amendola would do that...he's got no history of being a dirty player.
I'm just pointing out that you cant seem to keep yourself out of any discussion/argument that involves the patriots. you comment as much if not more than you do on the Giants threads.

 

[mauconnfan]

I never said anything about the play. in fact, I watched the game out here with two other Patriots fans and we were all surprised that Amendola would do that...he's got no history of being a dirty player.
I'm just pointing out that you cant seem to keep yourself out of any discussion/argument that involves the patriots. you comment as much if not more than you do on the Giants threads.

Ok yeah I do that Matt. I am in all Giant threads and if you want talk about that crap team let's go, start a thread? I am commenting on a play everyone talked about you don't like that my advice to you is don't read my replies if it bothers you so much.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

If Amendola led with the crown of his helmet to the face mask of the Chiefs player, how come you can see the top of his helmet when he hits him?



Like others have said, it was a penalty, but Fouts' description of what happened didn't match what happened on the field.

If that was college, Amendola would have been ejected for targeting. Lead with his helmet and the initial against a defenseless player was high.

 

[storrsroars]

Fitzgerald was obviously not leading with his helmet, he was leading with his shoulder and in fact turned his head. Any contact was incidental and in looking at the video numerous times, there was barely any helmet contact.

And as to the comparison between what Amendola did and what Burfict did... it's like a boxer delivering an uppercut a second before the bell and one who throws a sucker punch three seconds after the bell once the other boxer has dropped his defenses.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

When you star QB is hit on 20 times, or 30% of his of his drop backs, in the AFC title game with a coach and owner who expect to win the Super Bowl each year, there are going to be casualties. So, here's scapegoat #1.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...fensive-line-coach-dave-deguglielmo-part-ways

DeGuglielmo may or may not share the blame in this (I suspect the injuries to the Pat's OL were the main reason why their back-ups, 3 rookies, were eaten alive by a very good Broncos front seven); but, Brady was sacked the fewest time in the NFL last season when the won the SuperBowl.