OT: Patriots

[intlzncster]

Please just stop, comparing the Patriots to the Yankess and Belichick to Calhoun is gross. There is always a bit of a backlash with very successful teams but the cheating is what really pisses the rest of the country off. As for all the nice guys the Patriots employ it's the same as all the other teams except for the serial killer star player they employed.

The 'cheating' is as manufactured as what UCONN's was. Both broke the rules technically, but in reality, everyone (with a brain) knows it's BS. The Patriots never even cheated, according the laws of science and reality. If you think otherwise, you ride with the creationists and flatearthers on that one. Be my guest.

It's like someone telling you there's gravity, and you deny it simply because you don't like the organization telling you this. Hell, one study was lead by a scientist who was an ardent JETS fan, and he even concluded that science says the balls were within a normal range of deflation. But again, please ignore reality.

 

[superjohn]

I am sure no one knows what you are talking about.

The posts on the coin flip were all from reporter transcripts.

And since you didn't even watch or have no clue at what is going on here, let me educate you: it was clear that Slater disagreed with the ref because he grabbed his head, like WTF!!

As for what was said, I was going off the reporter's transcripts that appeared immediately on twitter, but the fact is, Slater disagreed with the ref, and there is absolute evidence of that.

Conspiracy has absolutely nothing to do with anything, but I never expect you to be accurate so... why should your latest posts be any different?

You're hilarious, keep them coming!!!

 

[Husky25]

The action that brought about spy-___ were technically against the rules, but it's not like they couldn't have done what they did from the stands or their own sideline. There was no real competitive advantage. The actions that brought about deflate-___ were, for all intents and purposes, fabricated. Whatever "evidence" the Wells Report brought to light had better alternative (and duplicable) reason for why they occurred, and while Judge Berman did not rule on the evidence in his judgment, he tore the NFL a new one in open court regarding the evidence.

By being first to the punch and shaping the narrative, the NFL did a great job in the Court of Public Opinion. Any other subsequent clarifying details were, more or less, ignored by the headline devouring public outside the 5 1/2 state New England region. In a Court of law however, the NFL failed miserably.

 

[intlzncster]

Please. Unlike UConn, nothing ever sticks to the Pats. They are without question the biggest martyrs in all of professional sports history. They cry so much over any suggestion of impropriety that you would think they actually got real penalties for the various and sundry misdeeds at which they have been caught red handed.

According to the laws of science (read: reality), they were not caught with anything in 'deflategate'. It was all explained naturally in numerous studies. But antiPatriots people consider that being 'caught'. "The numbers are what they are -> cheaters" equates beatifully to "the APR and Grad Rate is what it is -> non compliance, dirty program, etc". Both statements are read with no context, and that is why they fail.

I don't know anyone who didn't like Jeter except @Deepster, who is a Mets fan like me. I know hundreds of Red Sox fans and they all respected guys like him, O'Neil, Mariano, etc. Conversely, I don't know anyone other than Pats fans who like Brady. There is no denying his championships, but theyguy is such a sanctimonious pretty boy hypocrite that even most women I know can't stand him.

If you polled them NOW, perhaps, but during that time, pre 2004, I didn't know a single Sox fan who was on Jeter's side. He was known among Sox fans as the single most overrated player in history. 2004, 2007, 2013 have soften Sox fans considerably.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to vomit about the mere thought of your Belichick/Calhoun comparison and try to forget that you ever blasphemed Calhoun in that way.

And that's just your bias. I'm comparing Calhoun to the greatest NFL coach (and roster builder) to ever live. The true GOAT. That's the highest compliment to give the man, all your biases aside. You would call that blasphemy, but anyone looking at it objectively would call it the greatest respect.

 

[August_West]

The 'cheating' is as manufactured as what UCONN's was. Both broke the rules technically, but in reality, everyone (with a brain) knows it's BS. The Patriots never even cheated, according the laws of science and reality. If you think otherwise, you ride with the creationists and flatearthers on that one. Be my guest. It's like someone telling you there's gravity, and you deny it simply because you don't like the organization telling you this. Hell, one study was lead by a scientist who was an ardent JETS fan, and he even concluded that science says the balls were within a normal range of deflation. But again, please ignore reality.

And the spying/filming and disguising staff in nfl films garb is science too?

 

[intlzncster]

Please just stop, comparing the Patriots to the Yankess and Belichick to Calhoun is gross. There is always a bit of a backlash with very successful teams but the cheating is what really pisses the rest of the country off. As for all the nice guys the Patriots employ it's the same as all the other teams except for the serial killer star player they employed.

Dude the greatest player in Giants history duckcks underrages girls and smokes/snorts serious amounts of crack. Bravo.

Did you know Aaron H was addicted to PCP and turned into a nutbag? Because not one other person in the NFL did.

 

[intlzncster]

And the spying/filming and disguising staff in nfl films garb is science too?

The Pats filmed from the sideline instead of the endzone, where it is legal. Big whoop. Remember, it was NOT ILLEGAL during there first run of championships.

What is that NFL films garb thing? Where did you get that?

 

[superjohn]

According to the laws of science (read: reality), they were not caught with anything in 'deflategate'. It was all explained naturally in numerous studies. But antiPatriots people consider that being 'caught'. "The numbers are what they are -> cheaters" equates beatifully to "the APR and Grad Rate is what it is -> non compliance, dirty program, etc". Both statements are read with no context, and that is why they fail.



If you polled them NOW, perhaps, but during that time, pre 2004, I didn't know a single Sox fan who was on Jeter's side. He was known among Sox fans as the single most overrated player in history. 2004, 2007, 2013 have soften Sox fans considerably.



And that's just your bias. I'm comparing Calhoun to the greatest NFL coach (and roster builder) to ever live. The true GOAT. That's the highest compliment to give the man, all your biases aside. You would call that blasphemy, but anyone looking at it objectively would call it the greatest respect.

I take offense with Belechick being compared to Calhoun because Bill has zero personality. You can compare them as coaches all you want because they are two of the best to ever do it in their respective sports but they are totally different personalities.

 

[Jerry1714]

Why would they defer? In OT, Belichick takes the ball all the time.

Pats lose, blame the refs or the NFL for conspiring against them.

It is what they do, they are a miserable bunch.

 

[intlzncster]

I take offense with Belechick being compared to Calhoun because Bill has zero personality. You can compare them as coaches all you want because they are two of the best to ever do it in their respective sports but they are totally different personalities.

Hahha, Bill's apparently a good and funny guy off the field. But OK, you can like JC more. That's fine, I certainly have no problem with that. I'd prefer to have a beer with JC myself.

How do you think other fans of other teams feel about JC personally? Because I know the answer to that.

Neither of those two made ANY friends in the media and opposing fanbases.

 

[intlzncster]

Pats lose, blame the refs or the NFL for conspiring against them.

It is what they do, they are a miserable bunch.

UCONN fans blames NCAA conspiracies for a lot of it's faults too. Anti UCONN bias in the press (of which the same can be said about the Pats). And referees favoring P5 times. etc etc.

 

[superjohn]

Hahha, Bill's apparently a good and funny guy off the field. But OK, you can like JC more. That's fine, I certainly have no problem with that. I'd prefer to have a beer with JC myself.

How do you think other fans of other teams feel about JC personally? Because I know the answer to that.

Neither of those two made ANY friends in the media and opposing fanbases.

Everyone thinks Calhoun has a personality, they may not like it but he's always been an open book. Belichick has shown nothing, he's the antithesis of Calhoun.

 

[Jerry1714]

UCONN fans blames NCAA conspiracies for a lot of it's faults too. Anti UCONN bias in the press (of which the same can be said about the Pats). And referees favoring P5 times. etc etc.

No, idiot UConn fans do, and sadly there is a lot of them on this board an the majority of them are probably Pats fans.

That is probably where they learned to act like idiots.

 

[intlzncster]

And yes, I fully understand and accept people not liking the Pats in any capacity. I wouldn't expect them to. Totally cool with that. Again, I just want the facts to be clear, unclouded by bias. In the same way I want fans to be clear that the APR thing was completely bogus on so many levels, whereas most opposing fans think UCONN brings in guys chews them up and wins championships as a result. There is very important context ignored by the opposition in both cases.

That's where I stand. And I get that opposing fans will STILL say otherwise. So it goes.

NB: I like most of you guys as posters, but think you become totally delusional on anything related to the Patriots. I consider myself one of the more rational guys on this forum, able to separated my fandom from what I consider the reality of a situation. Sometimes that's in favor of my teams, sometimes not. And yes, I think you can still be a homer, and be able to step back and analyze a situation from a far. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Please just stop, comparing the Patriots to the Yankess and Belichick to Calhoun is gross. There is always a bit of a backlash with very successful teams but the cheating is what really pisses the rest of the country off. As for all the nice guys the Patriots employ it's the same as all the other teams except for the serial killer star player they employed.

I generally like your posts but you sound breathtakingly idiotic when it comes to the Patriots. Every team in the NFL is trying to win. If you wanted to be more than a whiny keyboard warrior you could confirm for yourself that your favorite NFL team has likely been sanctioned by the league before. Hell, the freaking Jets got caught taping at Gillette before they blew the whistle on the Pats. The reason no one gives a ____ when it happens to most teams is that they don't win.

If the Pats were the Tampa Bay Bucs do you honestly think that "deflategate" would have seen the light of day? Of course not. Other teams have actually been caught manipulating the balls. No one cares. No one calls them "cheaters." New England wins. Brady's record is insane. When you win, and you win, and you win, a lot of people don't like you. End of story. The easiest way to confirm that someone's opinion on sports isn't worth a damn is when they start throwing around "cheater" in the context of pro sports. John Elway's two super bowl rings are a direct result of "cheating" by the Broncos. I've never heard you cry about that. Probably because you were nine when it happened.

This Peyton thing won't go anywhere because Peyton doesn't win. When you're known as the "greatest regular season" anything - and people mean it as a compliment - you don't win anything that matters. And he's spend 15 years cultivating goodwill with the media that Belichick and Brady never had. That's pretty much it.

 

[intlzncster]

Why? Not sure I understand. Would it be different if I was a Cowboy fan in WesMass? I think not upstater. But again, a Giant fan has little incentive to dislike the Pats, they beat them when they have to

This is one thing you post often, which I totally disagree with, mau. You are a New York fan first and foremost, and the Boston vs New York thing is very real to this day. Also, you live in Patriots country, and I know that sticks in your craw immensely so. You definitely do not like the Patriots. Which is cool. And yes, I realize you were taking the opportunity to needle a Pats fan there.

 

[Matt (Chicago)]

Pats lose, blame the refs or the NFL for conspiring against them.

It is what they do, they are a miserable bunch.

Where do you see anyone blaming the refs or the NFL? The coach and the players both said that the plan had been to kick off.

 

[superjohn]

I generally like your posts but you sound breathtakingly idiotic when it comes to the Patriots. Every team in the NFL is trying to win. If you wanted to be more than a whiny keyboard warrior you could confirm for yourself that your favorite NFL team has likely been sanctioned by the league before. Hell, the freaking Jets got caught taping at Gillette before they blew the whistle on the Pats. The reason no one gives a ____ when it happens to most teams is that they don't win.

If the Pats were the Tampa Bay Bucs do you honestly think that "deflategate" would have seen the light of day? Of course not. Other teams have actually been caught manipulating the balls. No one cares. No one calls them "cheaters." New England wins. Brady's record is insane. When you win, and you win, and you win, a lot of people don't like you. End of story. The easiest way to confirm that someone's opinion on sports isn't worth a damn is when they start throwing around "cheater" in the context of pro sports. John Elway's two super bowl rings are a direct result of "cheating" by the Broncos. I've never heard you cry about that. Probably because you were nine when it happened.

This Peyton thing won't go anywhere because Peyton doesn't win. When you're known as the "greatest regular season" anything - and people mean it as a compliment - you don't win anything that matters. And he's spend 15 years cultivating goodwill with the media that Belichick and Brady never had. That's pretty much it.

I mainly just like messing with upstater in these threads because he seems like an incredible whiner when it comes to the Patriots and he seems borderline stalker when it comes to all things Brady. Patriots don't have anywhere near the history of the Yankess so had to chime in on that and I have no problem comparing Belichick and Calhoun as coaches, I just think any comparison of them as people/personalities is way off. Not even sure if the poster was trying to compare them as people but I've seen it done here before.

 

[intlzncster]

I mainly just like messing with upstater in these threads because he seems like an incredible whiner when it comes to the Patriots and he seems borderline stalker when it comes to all things Brady. Patriots don't have anywhere near the history of the Yankess so had to chime in on that and I have no problem comparing Belichick and Calhoun as coaches, I just think any comparison of them as people/personalities is way off. Not even sure if the poster was trying to compare them as people but I've seen it done here before.

That was me, and no, not as people. I barely know anything but snippets about Bill as a person. It was purely from a coaching and media/fan(opposing) relations context.

 

[StoweD210]

Hahha, Bill's apparently a good and funny guy off the field. But OK, you can like JC more. That's fine, I certainly have no problem with that. I'd prefer to have a beer with JC myself.

How do you think other fans of other teams feel about JC personally? Because I know the answer to that.

Neither of those two made ANY friends in the media and opposing fanbases.

That's one of the biggest points. If Calhoun had defenders in the press like Calipari or Kryzewski, the APR issue would be viewed very differently. Instead, he got the "We finally got him" treatment and accompanying piling on. In the same way, many in the media dislike Belichick because he doesn't make their job easy, so he doesn't get the same kind of pass or "Let's wait and see" reactions that other media-friendly coaches and players do.

 

[superjohn]

That was me, and no, not as people. I barely know anything but snippets about Bill as a person. It was purely from a coaching and media/fan(opposing) relations context.

Gotcha. Belichick is the best coach I've seen in the NFL and the best ever in my opinion, JC is probably #3 in my opinion.

 

[Adios]

Even Miko Grimes is helping the Patriots!

 

[August_West]

The Pats filmed from the sideline instead of the endzone, where it is legal. Big whoop. Remember, it was NOT ILLEGAL during there first run of championships. What is that NFL films garb thing? Where did you get that?

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

 

[Jerry1714]

Where do you see anyone blaming the refs or the NFL? The coach and the players both said that the plan had been to kick off.

Did you read the first part of the thread??

Or this: http://www.barstoolsports.com/bosto...ve-to-wait-till-next-week-to-clinch-playoffs/

I have no issues with the team, but I have lived in a lot of different places in the country, and hands down there is no one worse than Pats fan. I live in Boston now and its really crazy how many times I have been told "yea you beat us twice but at least we have 4 SBs while the Giants have only ever won 2"

 

[Robertelamin]

The Patriots schedule this year is so bad they don't even need to cheat. What is their best win? Houston on the road? Redskins at home?

 

[Husky25]

The Patriots schedule this year is so bad they don't even need to cheat. What is their best win? Houston on the road? Redskins at home?

Making the Playoffs does not a good team make. As primarily a Redskins fan, I am happy they are in the tournament, but I have no illusions that they will win in two weeks, regardless if they play Seattle, Green Bay, or Minnesota.

The best wins for the Pats this year at the time they played the game were probably 1) Pittsburgh, 2) Jets at home, and 3) New York Giants.

 

[Rico444]

I generally like your posts but you sound breathtakingly idiotic when it comes to the Patriots. Every team in the NFL is trying to win. If you wanted to be more than a whiny keyboard warrior you could confirm for yourself that your favorite NFL team has likely been sanctioned by the league before. Hell, the freaking Jets got caught taping at Gillette before they blew the whistle on the Pats. The reason no one gives a ____ when it happens to most teams is that they don't win.

If the Pats were the Tampa Bay Bucs do you honestly think that "deflategate" would have seen the light of day? Of course not. Other teams have actually been caught manipulating the balls. No one cares. No one calls them "cheaters." New England wins. Brady's record is insane. When you win, and you win, and you win, a lot of people don't like you. End of story. The easiest way to confirm that someone's opinion on sports isn't worth a damn is when they start throwing around "cheater" in the context of pro sports. John Elway's two super bowl rings are a direct result of "cheating" by the Broncos. I've never heard you cry about that. Probably because you were nine when it happened.

This Peyton thing won't go anywhere because Peyton doesn't win. When you're known as the "greatest regular season" anything - and people mean it as a compliment - you don't win anything that matters. And he's spend 15 years cultivating goodwill with the media that Belichick and Brady never had. That's pretty much it.

The Patriots are a dynasty, and Brady is one of the best QBs ever, and I agree there's some people that hate winners and that's why some jump on every negative story about the Pats, but it's pretty clear they're always looking to get an advantage. You really think the cheaters thing is complete BS? John Calipari has never been directly implicated, do you think it's unfair that people call him a cheater?

 

[DarthGrumpy]

I was gutted for that kid. Loved him on the Pats. Great redemptive story. Was psyched when Oakland cut him, and the Pats scooped him up again. He'd still be on the Pats if they didn't have so many injuries and needed to sign guys at positions of need. Pissed he went to the Jets. Happy he was finding success. Bill loved that kid, as you could see by the mid field hand shake/condolence yesterday.

Vollmer's injury, to this fan, looked like a pretty severe ankle injury. Hopefully just a sprain, and not a break. Guy that size though, it might be tough. No word yet.

Sadly, from what I saw and how the Pats CB reacted after the play, its a ACL/MCL injury. He planted his leg and his knee just buckled. I saw a lot of the Pats players shake hands with Thompkins, who was having a good game for the Jets, go up to him. I am no Pats fan and I think Coach B's ego is a tad on the large size; but, that was a classy move by the Pats. Did not look good for Vollmer either as that was one of the fastest calls to the cart that I have ever seen. Took about 2 minutes from the end of the play to when he disappeared down the tunnel. Again, best wishes to both players on a speedy recovery.

 

[mauconnfan]

If anyone has a right to be aggrieved, after all the nonsense this offseason, it's Pats fans. I would also compare the Pats to UCONN in this way. You don't think the NCAA bullsh_t UCONN went through gave fans a reason to be salty post championships (2011/2014)? The commentary on this board would suggest that was the case; people STILL post about it all the time. Additionally, and there's a very good comparison between coaches than Calhoun and Belichick. Both cantankerous bullheaded masterminds who are at the very, very top of their professions historically.

Without likeable players? You are out of your mind. THAT shows your bias. The Pats roster is filled with likeable players. They have very few, if any, UNlikeable players. Multiple winners of the annual community service award; barely anyone getting arrested, and when they are, cut immediately. Yes AH, blah blah blah...that was clearly a one off.

And not one Red Sox fan liked Jeter, just as it is with New York fans and Brady. But the rest of the country loves Brady: he often leads in Jersey sales, week in week out, and this is after a 15 year career. Usually the leader in Jersey sales is a young gun. He is the face of the NFL right now.

Note, I enjoy being the Evil Empire, as I'm sure Yankees fans did in the late 90s. It means you are the best. Everything you do is front page news. Just part of the territory. But I'm not going to sit quiet if I think other fans are being untruthful and spreading talking point lies. Nor do I think I should be.

C'mon really? You were doing okay but then the the rest of the country "loves' Brady is hilarious and "if any" unlikeable players? OMG you guys are whacked with your thoughts of who they are outside of New England.

 

[mauconnfan]

This is one thing you post often, which I totally disagree with, mau. You are a New York fan first and foremost, and the Boston vs New York thing is very real to this day. Also, you live in Patriots country, and I know that sticks in your craw immensely so. You definitely do not like the Patriots. Which is cool. And yes, I realize you were taking the opportunity to needle a Pats fan there.

I'm a Celtic fan from Connecticut so I am a Yankee, Giants, Rangers and the C's. I didn't pick a town my family picked some teams and I followed. I like both cities in their own way and like Fenway a ton better than Yankee Stadium. I used to respect the Sox as much as the Yanks when I grew up in CT because we had the usual banter but all of my friends were split. It was the same throughout growing up and then I moved to WesMass in 1990 married to a Red Sox and Pats fan who really didn't care much because both weren't winning anything. Then came the early 2000's and the hit the fan and you went from people wearing whatever to everyone having a B or a Patriot on their hats, shirts, jackets, golf bags, head covers etc etc. Nothing much at all prior to then - you figure it out from there! It may not be you or upstater at all, but the bandwagon Nation grew in a crazy way and all of a sudden everyone knew it all about these teams. The dislike did not grow to these depths at all until about 11-12 years ago. I was honestly rooting for the Pats during the early years as they became what they are now. But with success came really obnoxious fans form the woodwork. I say it all the time because it's true and I lived and and live it. And you can see much of it here too!